Thu Dec 19, 2013, 05:04 AM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
100's of Studies Prove this One Plant Compound Kills Cancer, Protects Against RadiationNatural Society
by Christina Sarich December 18th, 2013 ![]() For years scientists couldn’t really figure out why people on a small island off of Japan hardly ever suffered from cancer – until they stumbled onto a curious fetish the Okinawans had for a seaweed delicacy called Kombu. (Okinawans use various longevity secrets to live to be 100 and older). Although it would be difficult to find Kombu now that isn’t tainted with Fukushima radiation, at least in or near Japan, there is a long chain carbohydrate in the seaweed called Fucoidan that has proven to fight cancer again and again. Fucoidan is absolutely lethal to certain types of cancerous cells. Sometimes called U-fucoidan, it is referenced in more than 600 peer-reviewed studies listed at the US National Library of Medicine. Found in the cell walls of brown seaweed, fucoidan, has antitumor, antiangiogenic, antiviral, and immunomodulatory effects on the human body. Fucoidan also stimulates natural killer cells by down regulating AP-I involved in cellular proliferation, or the spreading of cancer cells. What’s more, fucoidan also has anti-coagulant and antithrombic activities, while also being radioprotective.
Research published in the March 2011 issue of Phytotherapy Research [study source] suggests that fucoidan stopped some lung cancer cells from proliferating and triggered the programmed death of cancer cells. A study published in the October 2011 issue of International Journal of Biological Macromolecules [study source] also found that fucoidan killed lung cancer cells. Additionally, it improved the activity of white blood cells, the natural killer cells.'' MORE ![]()
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DeSwiss | Dec 2013 | OP |
TreasonousBastard | Dec 2013 | #1 | |
icymist | Dec 2013 | #3 | |
TreasonousBastard | Dec 2013 | #4 | |
icymist | Dec 2013 | #5 | |
intaglio | Dec 2013 | #2 | |
liberal_at_heart | Dec 2013 | #6 | |
intaglio | Dec 2013 | #7 | |
icymist | Dec 2013 | #8 | |
intaglio | Dec 2013 | #9 | |
icymist | Dec 2013 | #10 | |
intaglio | Dec 2013 | #11 | |
icymist | Dec 2013 | #12 | |
Why Syzygy | Dec 2013 | #17 | |
liberal_at_heart | Dec 2013 | #13 | |
Tumbulu | Dec 2013 | #14 | |
kentauros | Dec 2013 | #20 | |
Why Syzygy | Jan 2014 | #21 | |
Name removed | Jan 2014 | #22 | |
hrmjustin | Jan 2014 | #23 | |
kentauros | Jan 2014 | #24 | |
hrmjustin | Jan 2014 | #25 | |
arikara | Dec 2013 | #15 | |
DeSwiss | Dec 2013 | #16 | |
arikara | Dec 2013 | #18 | |
DeSwiss | Dec 2013 | #19 |
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:43 AM
TreasonousBastard (37,199 posts)
1. I was skeptical until I found this...
http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/fucoidan
Now, I wonder if they use it in their own treatment plans. |
Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:09 PM
icymist (14,756 posts)
3. It's a disclaimer:
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Disclaimer This Web site — Information About Herbs, Botanicals and Other Products — is for general health information only. This Web site is not to be used as a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment of any health condition or problem. Users of this Web site should not rely on information provided on this Web site for their own health problems. Any questions regarding your own health should be addressed to your own physician or other healthcare provider. |
Response to icymist (Reply #3)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:14 PM
TreasonousBastard (37,199 posts)
4. Click past the disclamer...
and if Sloan-Kettering isn't reputable, I'm not sure what is.
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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:22 PM
icymist (14,756 posts)
5. I have...
I wanted the disclaimer posted in this thread. As a host here, and since I work in healthcare, I wish to point out that certain combinations of herbals and main-stream medicine can have adverse effects. Always check with a professional medical practitioner, preferably your doctor, before taking these. Many of the herbs mentioned these days are listed in their own section in nurse's drug handbooks.
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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 08:24 AM
intaglio (8,170 posts)
2. Firstly, unless it is a lead onesie it does not protect against radiation
and any such claim immediately indicates woo-science. It may mediate against the effects of radiation but protect - no.
Now onto the "hundreds of studies in peer reviewed journals". Any citations to support that? Nope. There have been some studies of Fucoidan. In vitro (under glass) it seems to have an effect on some cancer cell lines (1) but this has not been replicated in vivo (in a living organism). There have been small in vivo studies with rabbits which seem to show an effect on hyperplasia (rapidly proliferating cells) (2) but these have not been effectively replicated nor has a mechanism been identified (3) There was a clinical study which showed an increase in CD34+ immune cells and expression of a cell binding factor (4) On the other hand there was the experiment with rats that showed that Fucoidan increase mortality from meningitis (5) As to the super long life of Okinawans, well they don't live that much longer. Currently their average lifespan is about 1 year longer than mainland Japanese (and that only since about 1973) and about 2 years longer than Swedes. More likely it is not a magic ingredient which supports this life span but the generally healthy diet including lots of fish and very less pork and refined rice. =================================================== (1) Aisa Y; Miyakawa Y; et al. (2005 Jan). "Fucoidan induces apoptosis of human HS-sultan cells accompanied by activation of caspase-3 and down-regulation of ERK pathways". American Journal of Hematology 78 (2) Jean-François Deux; Anne Meddahi-Pellé; et al (2002). "Low molecular weight fucoidan prevents neointimal hyperplasia in rabbit iliac artery in-stent restenosis model". Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology 22 (3) Wu XZ, Chen D (September 2006). "Effects of sulfated polysaccharides on tumour biology". West Indian Med J 55 (4) Irhimeh MR, Fitton JH, Lowenthal RM (2007 Jun). "Fucoidan ingestion increases the expression of CXCR4 on human CD34+ cells". Exp Hematol 35 (5) Brandt CT, Lundgren JD, et al. (2003). "Pretreatment with fucoidan promotes lethal infection in a rat model of experimental pneumococcal meningitis". Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy |
Response to intaglio (Reply #2)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 01:10 AM
liberal_at_heart (12,081 posts)
6. you do know you're in a group, not a forum don't you. Groups are suppose to be
positive environments. You can disagree but please refrain from using the word woo in a group. If you just have to insult people please go to one of the forums.
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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #6)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:14 AM
intaglio (8,170 posts)
7. They are supposed to be positive environments
They are not supposed to provide free advertising for companies and others disseminating fraudulent science and outright falsehood.
The article quoted makes specific scientific claims that are false and I showed them to be false. I have not commented upon other articles in this group though I might have equally strong objections to them. |
Response to intaglio (Reply #7)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:45 PM
icymist (14,756 posts)
8. You will find that this is a fairly highly tolerable group toward alternative medicine.
I didn't see the OP as an advertisement for a single product, but linking to studies for a plant that can be found in just about all Asian food stores. If the OP was advertising for a company, I would have locked this thread. Since it is not, I posted a disclaimer. As for your claim about this group "disseminating fraudulent science and outright falsehood", it is not your call to determine what these are. There is a skeptic group for that, please utilize the self-satisfying atmosphere there. As for the choice of using the word 'woo' in this group, please place the suffix 'Dr.' in front of the word and pretend you misspelled 'who'. Thank you for your cooperation. icymist, host.
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Response to icymist (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:26 PM
intaglio (8,170 posts)
9. This article is not "alternative"
It is making specific claims and citing work which does not support the claims made.
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Response to intaglio (Reply #9)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:27 PM
icymist (14,756 posts)
10. It is not your call within this GROUP. nt
Response to icymist (Reply #10)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:29 PM
intaglio (8,170 posts)
11. It is my call as a human being
If articles appear about the health benefits if arsenic I will post about those as well.
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Response to intaglio (Reply #11)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:34 PM
icymist (14,756 posts)
12. You seem to think it is your job as a human being to seek out and correct others.
I'm going to be banning you from posting any further in this group. Please read the group's purpose which has been approved by the administration of this web site. If you don't like what we talk about in this group, then you should take it up with those who own this site in the ATA forum.
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Response to icymist (Reply #12)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:53 AM
Why Syzygy (18,928 posts)
17. Brava!
That was outstanding.
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Response to intaglio (Reply #11)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:43 PM
liberal_at_heart (12,081 posts)
13. I have had enough of the crap today. People attacking each other in
GD over gender issues. Now this. From now, anyone attacking anyone in any group or forum is going on my ignore list. That includes you.
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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #13)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:06 PM
Tumbulu (5,359 posts)
14. I would like some sort of process where
the people attacking others consistently just get banned from DU. It has made me come to DU far less often and I am so glad that our host protected us from further rude banter from this poster in our group.
Thank you icymist! |
Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #13)
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:39 AM
kentauros (29,414 posts)
20. Lately, GD has also become ground-zero for attacking
everything deemed as "woo" by one certain member. Interestingly, every time I posted about the fact that their favorite insult word isn't even a real word, I got crickets in reply. The septics don't like having it shot down.
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Response to kentauros (Reply #20)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:14 AM
Why Syzygy (18,928 posts)
21. Tell them
to put their head between their knees if they are woozy.
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Response to Name removed (Reply #22)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:46 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
23. Charming as always.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #23)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:23 PM
kentauros (29,414 posts)
24. I missed it!
Was it a visit from our regular troll? (I think that's usually one of the incarnations of LibraryGirl.)
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Response to kentauros (Reply #24)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:30 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
25. Yeah, she was busy today.
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:20 PM
arikara (5,562 posts)
15. We are fortunate here to have unpolluted beaches
and lots of varieties of seaweeds around. I love the bull kelp, but I do harvest some fucoids as well. We have a local biologist who's passion is seaweeds and she has put on workshops showing how and where to gather them sustainably from clean local areas.
I got into seaweed when my TCM health practitioner suggested that I start eating it. So I went to the health food store, bought a bag of the dried kelp, opened it up in the car and had a piece. I didn't put the bag down until it was finished, such was my craving I guess. Now I crumble a piece of it into pretty much everything I cook. You can also just put a piece into your bathwater and absorb the nutrients through your skin. Its wonderful stuff. |
Response to arikara (Reply #15)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:40 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
16. Thanks for that insight.
And at the same time it sounds so natural. I've been using Castile soap (which uses seaweed for the soda ash) exclusively for about 8 months now, and I can see the difference in my skin. For a while I had pimples and other signs of the purging of toxins from my skin. I got so enthused I started making my own deodorant. I've always had problems using anything on my underarms without causing lesions and boils. The stuff I made that I'm using now is pretty good too if I must say so myself. And Cinnamon bark oil makes a great smelling deodorant!
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #16)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:43 PM
arikara (5,562 posts)
18. I make everything I can too
Another great non-toxic deodorant is colloidal silver. It kills the bacteria which is what makes you smell, and yet has no more effects on the body than plain water. I keep a spray bottle sitting in the bathroom and use it for many things. I spritz it on my face too, especially if I see a zit, which it clears up overnight. Its amazing stuff.
I know CS can be expensive if you buy it in the health food store, but I bought a maker and do my own and now I can afford to pour it into anything I want. The maker has paid for itself many times over. Thanks for the recipe. ![]() |
Response to arikara (Reply #18)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:07 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
19. That's where I'm headed.....
...to making about everything I need as far as I can. But first I have a few small matters to attend to, like being able to stand up for longer than 10 minutes and being able to make it to my mailbox. Oh, and getting rid of a debilitating disease, which I'm now taking CBD for.
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