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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:02 PM

Astrology question

I'm following the cardinal grand cross with interest. I went to astro.com and made my natal chart with transits to see where the planets in question were located. I wrote down the houses and went to youtube looking for a general reading, of which there are many.

The houses where the planets in question are according to the astrologists on youtube are different than my Pisces chart. I suspect it's the type of houses I chose for the chart.

I used equal houses. Is that correct? TIA

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Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 OP
elleng Apr 2014 #1
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #5
libodem Apr 2014 #2
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #7
Ricochet21 Apr 2014 #13
libodem Apr 2014 #15
panfluteman Apr 2014 #3
panfluteman Apr 2014 #4
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #6
Ricochet21 Apr 2014 #8
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #9
Ricochet21 Apr 2014 #10
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #11
Ricochet21 Apr 2014 #12
Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #14
Ricochet21 Apr 2014 #16


Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:54 PM

5. Thanks, Rick has read for me in the past n/t

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:13 PM

2. I've never drawn up a chart

But I've had mine done. My chart looked like a pie with 12 sections. The star constellations are the sections. Your sun sign is the month you were born. Then the planets fall where they may at your birth. I think it's called your natal chart. Then the astrologer can work out what kind of a year you are having by comparing where the planets are currently. (I think)

I'm sorry if you knew all this already and you were asking for something else. It's very oversimplified and maybe even wrong. Ask Rick.

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Response to libodem (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:57 PM

7. You can draw your own chart at astro.com

But if it shows the planets are in different houses than what an astrologer would get, it's pretty useless.

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Response to libodem (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:11 PM

13. You're on track

Using Placidus is tried and true. House systems vary per mathematician at the time of their invention. They are simply different trigonometric methods of dividing up how we "see" the zodiac into 12's or the 12 houses.

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:22 PM

15. Thank you my friend

I'm glad I wasn't too misleading.

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:41 PM

3. A Plethora of Different House Systems Are Used in Astrology

Modern Western astrology uses a vast array of different house division systems, each one with their passionate adherents. In fact, one author wrote in a book on astrology that if you want to start a fist fight amongst astrologers, just ask them which house system is best!

Signs are different from houses. The signs of the zodiac constitute a celestial frame of reference for the heavenly positions of planets as they move along the ecliptic, or the orbital path they take, at varying speeds, from a little under a month to go through the whole zodiac for the Moon, to around 248 years to make the same trip for Pluto. The twelve houses constitute a mundane frame of reference for the planetary positions, or where their positions were in relation to the earth at the moment of birth. Rising on the eastern horizon is conjunct the Ascendant, or first house cusp; culminating in Midheaven is conjunct the tenth house cusp; setting on the western horizon is conjunct the seventh house cusp; and so on... Although the different planets have vastly different orbital speeds or periods through the celestial zodiac, due to the daily rotation of the Earth on its axis, each planet makes the trip through all twelve houses in the course of a 24 hour day.

Most systems of house division used today are called quadrant based. In these systems, the Ascendant, or eastern horizon point, constitutes the cusp of the First House, the Nadir the cusp of the Fourth House, the Descendant the cusp of the Seventh House, and the Midheaven the cusp of the Tenth House. The houses progress counterclockwise in their numbered sequence, even though the apparent and visible mundane movements of the planets progress backwards through this cycle of cardinal angles. The various quadrant based house systems differ as to where they place the intervening house cusps, or how they slice up the pie of the horoscope.

In quadrant based house division systems, the houses are NOT all of equal width in terms of degrees, but in the Equal House System, each house is exactly thirty degrees, or one twelfth of the circle. The house cusps are set by the sign and degree on the Ascendant, which is the cusp of the First House, with the subsequent house cusps set at the same precise degree of each subsequent sign. In this system, the cardinal angles of the Ascendant and Descendant fall exactly on the cusps of the first and seventh houses, respectively, but due to various geographical and mundane factors, the house placements of the Midheaven and Nadir can vary from their usual placement in the tenth and fourth houses, respectively, and can fall into either the previous or the subsequent house to these two. The Equal House system is used by Lois Rodden, and her astrological databank of the natal horoscopes of famous people, and many other astrologers now use it.

I myself prefer the Porphyry system, which is the simplest quadrant based system of house division, simply subdividing each quadrant of the horoscope into three equal parts; it is the oldest quadrant based system of house division, and dates back to the Roman philosopher Porphyry. In classical Greek or Hellenistic Astrology, they used a Whole Sign system of house division, in which the whole sign that the Ascendant falls in constitutes the first house; the next whole sign the second house, and so on. Indian Vedic Astrology also uses whole sign houses, although the whole signs they use are of the sidereal zodiac, and not the tropical zodiac. I also like Whole Sign Houses, because each house is homogenous or uniform in its sign-related qualities and attributes, and there is a one to one correspondence between the signs and the houses. You don't have houses consisting of two, or even three different signs, and you don't have intercepted signs, no matter how high or polar the latitude of the birthplace.

Perhaps the most commonly used house system in modern astrology is the Placidus system, which is medieval in origin. Dane Rudhyar preferred the Campanus system of house division for his Person Centered Astrology. Many modern astrologers like the Koch system (no relation to the infamous Koch brothers!) because it is more earth based. I prefer Porphyry and Whole Sign Houses.

Choosing a house system is a matter of personal experience and preference; you try one on and use it, or you try several on and use them, comparing your results, and finally decide which one you like best. Although there are some modern astrologers who can get very rigid and dogmatic, saying that there is only one true and correct system of house division, I am not one of these, and don't encourage anyone else to be. So, the answer to your question is that there is no single "correct" system of house division - it's a matter of personal experience and preference, and which one rings truest to you, and which gives you the best results - in other words, what works for you. Try on the various house systems that I have mentioned here for the current Grand Cross, and see which system rings truest in reflecting back to you your actual life experience with this Grand Cross, and adopt it as the system you will use. I hope that this helps.

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:22 PM

4. More About Choosing a House System That Works for You

As a concrete example of how different house systems can significantly change the interpretation of a natal horoscope, I have written an article for a certain website, All Things Healing, in which I took the natal horoscope of Gheorghe Zamfir, King of the Pan Flute, who himself is an ardent student of astrology, and interpreted it with Whole Sign Houses versus quadrant based Porphyry houses. I provide a link here:

http://www.allthingshealing.com/Astrology/House-Systems-in-Classical-and-Modern-Astrology/5565#.U1HpolcXT1U

In choosing a house system, the most basic choice you can make is between quadrant based versus non quadrant based house systems. The Equal House System that you mentioned is a non-quadrant based system of house division, as is Whole Sign Houses. The others that I mentioned in my previous post - Placidus, Porphyry, Campanus, and Koch - are all quadrant-based. Although the house placements of planets can sometimes differ amongst different quadrant based systems of house division, the greatest and most significant differences are usually between a quadrant based system and a non-quadrant based system.

You also don't have to rigidly adhere to any single system of house division, as each system has its own particular truth and beauty to it, and offers its own unique perspective on how the planetary energies play out in the various areas of your outer life, which are symbolized by the twelve houses. Explore the various systems and see what rings true with you and your life experience. The most obvious and best place to start this exploration process with is with your own natal horoscope, since it is the central holographic imprint for your own life experience.

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Response to panfluteman (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:55 PM

6. Thank you for your replies!

I appreciate the information.

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:02 PM

8. Here is your answer

the cross is hitting in your cadent houses, 3, 6, 9 & 12. None of your planets are being hit directly but the big emphasis is in your third house. This is very significant since the basic nature of Pisces is to NOT speak their minds, preferring peace. Not now, not anymore, this will give you a boost in getting things off of your chest. Best of luck dear.

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 02:55 PM

9. Rick, thank you...

I follow you on Facebook, but I didn't want to bother you during the cross.

My chart must be really screwed up, the only transit I have there in the 3rd is the Sun @ 0 degrees in Taurus. What house system should I use? Thanks again.

I've noticed I really don't give a hoot who I offend anymore...If you ask, you're going to get the truth from me I used to be such a diplomat...

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:48 PM

10. I always use Placidus

but many use Koch and Equal, they all work. You chart is probably not a mess.
I can't find it, what other name would it be under?

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 03:09 PM

11. Here it is...hopefully it copied -

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:08 PM

12. I already have that one

you said your Sun was in Taurus, that's what threw me off.
Since the 13th degree of ARIES falls in your vacant 2nd house, it's primarily a revolution
in SELF WORTH. Being a Pisces, you can always benefit by this.

This portends well with you saying that you are speaking your mind now; you are in perfect shape then, (not a mess) and in accord with what this Cross is all about. Personal evolution/revolution.

Yay for you, and I don't have to worry about you become too aggressive (as the cross is) because it's not your nature.

relax and be the new you without carrying everyone else's stuff!

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:11 PM

14. I initially used equal houses, which put my sun in the 2nd I think...

which is wrong LOL. I'll leave the astrology to you from now on

Thanks, and I thoroughly enjoyed your videos of Exquisite Zodiac on FB.

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Response to Holly_Hobby (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 12:23 PM

16. You weren't "wrong"

both systems work
both systems are true
each system tells you a different story

I'm glad you liked them!

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