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Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:59 PM

If an option did exist for this group to Opt-Out of being listed in the latest pages

Last edited Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:50 PM - Edit history (1)

would you want to be removed?

You may have seen this post today:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1220439

The groups statement of purpose is:
Positively explore issues having to do with Astrology, metaphysics & spirituality, homeopathy/alternative medicine and healing, Ascension, and other subjects having to do with holistic physical and spiritual growth & traditions.

"Positively" is pretty specific.

The problem is that some posters may not even realize they are in a spirituality based group until they find themselves chided for rudeness. I am happy to see new faces, and discuss what I believe in with people who are respectful, but I do understand ASAH is also safe haven.

So, I'll ask the admins about the option, and wanted to ask everyone what they think about this.

Lucinda

I came back in to say that I have every faith that we could handle these situations without too much fuss if it turns out that we need to due to an inability to Opt-Out, or if the majority wants to encourage new visitors. I'll post as soon as I get an answer.


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Reply If an option did exist for this group to Opt-Out of being listed in the latest pages (Original post)
Lucinda Dec 2011 OP
LiberalEsto Dec 2011 #1
Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #2
Lucinda Dec 2011 #4
Matariki Dec 2011 #3
Lucinda Dec 2011 #5
Matariki Dec 2011 #6
Lucinda Dec 2011 #7
kimmerspixelated Dec 2011 #8
Lucinda Dec 2011 #9
MorningGlow Dec 2011 #10
Why Syzygy Dec 2011 #11
Lucinda Dec 2011 #12
Celebration Dec 2011 #13
Lucinda Dec 2011 #14
GardeningGal Dec 2011 #15
magical thyme Dec 2011 #16
rosesaylavee Dec 2011 #17
OneGrassRoot Dec 2011 #18
FirstLight Dec 2011 #19
Lucinda Dec 2011 #20
Matariki Dec 2011 #22
Lucinda Dec 2011 #24
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #21
Digit Dec 2011 #23
libodem Dec 2011 #25
hermetic Dec 2011 #26
sandyshoes17 Dec 2011 #27
PADemD Dec 2011 #28
japple Dec 2011 #29
Howler Dec 2011 #30
Lucinda Dec 2011 #31
NuttyFluffers Dec 2011 #32
Ricochet21 Dec 2011 #33
MorningGlow Dec 2011 #34
Lucinda Dec 2011 #36
Sanity Claws Dec 2011 #35
get the red out Dec 2011 #37
RainbowSuperfund Dec 2011 #38
freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #40
RKP5637 Dec 2011 #39
Lucinda Dec 2011 #41
BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #42
Melissa G Dec 2011 #43
Tumbulu Dec 2011 #44

Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:00 PM

1. Good idea

 

I agree with you

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:14 PM

2. Yes, please

Other groups lock out those who disagree with them. ASAH is a great and mutually supportive environment. It would be nice to keep it this way, IMHO.

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Response to Missy Vixen (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:42 PM

4. We do currently have the option to block disruptive posters

but we may not have the option to not be listed in latest threads. I'm still waiting for an answer.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:37 PM

3. Yes. Please.

The topics we discuss here are way too likely to be ridiculed and misunderstood. I think if too many people accidentally end up here via the Latest to do nothing more than deride our posts, it will have a negative effect on this forum.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:46 PM

5. You and OGR handled it beautifully earlier and the jury hid the really bad post

So until the block option comes into play for our hosts, we have some options. I think the poster in that thread realized they were posting improperly and just left it alone. In the future a host could also just ask them to delete it, if the jury hadn't already stepped in.

I'm still waiting to hear from the admins.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:54 PM

6. Thanks Lucinda

This was an issue in DU2 as well. We had to ask to have new posts not be included on the latest page. The results of people mistakenly posting in the forum was the same.

To me it feels like a privacy thing. While I'm not ashamed of my interests and beliefs, I realize that the larger DU community doesn't understand them or out and out ridicules them. I think we can all post more freely if we know our threads don't get as much general exposure.

Thanks for your efforts and good job at hosting this forum

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Response to Matariki (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:05 PM

7. Thank you. We aren't a group that needs hosts, until we do.

Everyone is really very kind, so I know we can handle this if we have to, and I also wonder who might find new purpose from wandering in here, but it's a tricky situation.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:07 PM

8. Yes, earlier, I was wondering about that.

Looks like you guys did the right thing.

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Response to kimmerspixelated (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:09 PM

9. I really think the person that responded just had no idea where they were

but it is good that it has come up now, so we can see what our options are and decide what we want to do.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:23 PM

10. I would vote to opt out if it turns out that it's an option

Disruptors have always found ASAH, but they used to have to work a whole lot harder to do so. For some, when we're "right up front" like that, it's way too tempting a target, and I'm afraid that the amount of disruption will rise dramatically.

I have to admit that just knowing a new topic will appear in the Latest list has already caused me to rethink creating an OP. I hate to self-censor like that, but knowing that everyone can see our new threads is always at the back of my mind, and I don't like knowing that before an OP falls off the bottom of the list, everyone can see it and follow the link.

As I said in FL's thread after the "lost" person voiced her opinion, I am all for new open-minded people to join us, but those who can benefit from ASAH will find it anyway--by being led or being invited.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:36 PM

11. I don't involve

myself in the logistics here. So, no opinion. I do have an observation. I've seen more sincere posts than any kind of disruption. They were made by new DUer's and members who do not have a star. If the posting privilege in the groups no longer demands a donation, some of the many many lurkers may feel like making contributions. Of course there's a good chance I'm not privy to all the happenings here. This is just what I've witnessed.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:52 PM

12. I agree as a rule. I appreciate you speaking up. Some people do respond quite negatively to the

subject matter of ASAH posts when they show up in latest threads. They don't always realize the post isn't in GD or a main forum when they just read the thread title, and those people often respond with the typical snarky tone you'd see in other areas of the website when dealing with spirituality. I think that is the cause for concern in this case.

One of my favorite things about DU3 is the fact that you don't have to have a star to post, or host in a group. I am really happy about new people joining in the the groups I participate in.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:55 PM

13. Unless it turns out to be a huge problem

It seems a bit too reclusive to opt out of being in the latest. But that's just my perspective. I am hoping this new format attracts even more cool people here.

We also probably aren't so sensitive that we can't ignore/get rid of disruptive posts.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 08:06 PM

14. I agree with you even though I do understand the concerns being aired

It's great to be able to discuss it, and then see what we can do, and want to do, once we know what options we have.

Many people are in a protective phase where they want to explore safely.

In my case I really run too much from conflict and need to explore how to keep my center, and still deal with people who are a little disruptive. I have run away from DU more times than I care to mention, because of the negativity in other areas, so there are times I would have voted to Opt Out myself. For me, now, I want to figure out how to be in my world, and the greater world at the same time. Hosting, even in a safe place is letting me work that out.

As it is I'm happy to go with what the consensus thinks. We can always try one path and then another.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 08:13 PM

15. I like the idea of opting out....

However, if the admin is against it for any reason then I would at least ask them to bold the group the thread belongs to make it easier for people to read. When I first logged into DU3, I wasn't paying attention to the group/forum either. It wasn't until I saw some strange threads that I realized I was seeing new threads from groups I'd never noticed before.

I agree that it makes you think twice about posting a thread here. I get enough backlash from my family for my beliefs, I don't need to feel it here too.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 09:16 PM

16. it's been handled beautifully so far

 

but I can see where it could become tiresome, disruptive and cause group members to be hesitant to post. So I'm inclined to agree with morning glow on this. It may be best to opt off the latest if possible. People who are interested and/or ready can find their here in other ways.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:45 PM

17. I am all for opting out.

Disruptors will find this group no matter what but why make it easy? I know I won't post any OPs in here until we're taken off the latest thread list.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 11:00 PM

18. I vote to opt out...

for the many reasons expressed above.

We're accustomed to confrontation to varying degrees in nearly every other aspect of our lives -- and learning to find our center with that, as you so eloquently stated, Lucinda -- but this space, for most of us, is meant to be a sanctuary, not a space of debate and confrontation.

Discussion, yes; disagreements, sure; debate (with the intent to prove someone is right and another wrong) and dissension, no.

That's my opinion.







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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 11:08 PM

19. yes, no question

I will NOT post another OP in this group until I know it is a safe place. I did not know this was going to be the intention of DU3, and I have said before that many of us come here specifically because we feel a community cohesiveness and safety here....very unsettling. This is why asked a month ago for us to figure out some contingency plans for our little 'family' - because if we didn't have that regular connection and safety, then we will have to find another place to "meet"

Honestly, all groups should have the option to opt out of the Latest list....and i wish i could hide threads in my latest list as well, i have no need to see all the lounge or cooking or other threads either... so i guess i'll have to take that one up with Admins in the meta-thread...

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 11:16 PM

20. I haven't received an answer from an admin yet, but please feel free to follow up too

I'll try pming EarlG.
Edited to say I sent a direct message to him.

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:34 AM

22. It used to be this way on DU2 as well, until we asked for it to be changed

I'm confident that it was an oversight and we can ask for that change again.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:50 AM

24. I hope so. I have asked and am still waiting, but the admins are crazy busy.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:32 AM

21. Yes.

 

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:42 AM

23. My vote is to opt out

If we have the ability of course.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 02:49 AM

25. I wouldn't mind

At all.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 07:47 AM

26. I vote for opt out

I spent too many years walking on eggshells and I will not subject myself to that ever again. Thank you, Lucinda, for doing such a great job so far, but it could become very burdensome. I've already avoided posting about something interesting that is going on. It's on David Wilcock's site, Divine Cosmos, dated Dec. 12. I shudder to think of the derision that would bring in if it showed up on the main page.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:01 AM

27. I vote to opt out

For all of the reasons above.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:37 AM

28. I vote for opt out.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 09:20 AM

29. Yes, opt out.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:44 AM

30. I vote with the majority here.

And it looks like that is a vote for opting out.
I don't like it that alot of our regular members are feelin threatened enough to not even post OPs.
If opting out will make EVERVYBODY feel more confidant and comfortable enough that they arent censoring themselves lets just go ahead and do it!

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 02:08 AM

31. Thanks for speaking up everyone!

If we have the option, the group choice is clear.

I'll post again when I get an answer. The admins have been busy working on tweaks to the latest page, training the MIR Team, and getting our email archives available to us, but I hope they will get to some of the group issues soon.



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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 11:22 AM

32. opt out.

the closer things go back to old DU the better. there's no viper pit to release the steam, so there'll be casualties all over from bad behavior. no need to draw attention to ourselves in this 'brave new world.'

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 12:28 PM

33. I want to shut off my link

to other social media sites.

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 12:41 PM

34. Go to "My Account"

The last option listed under Preferences is to have the social media links on or off. I did it and now all I see in all the OPs are DU recs.

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 01:55 PM

36. Editing because it's already been answered.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 12:47 PM

35. Yes to Opt-out

Unfortunately DU has a lot of rude overbearing people. Some of them are trolls, some are regulars. Listing ASAH topics on the latest just invites them in. I really can't stand the acrimony and pure hatred some of these people spew.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 01:57 PM

37. I vote "opt out"

I believe our topics could seriously frustrate many DU members when they find them poping up in the "latest" and cause them quite a bit of concern and worry.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 02:16 PM

38. I'd vote to opt out too.

I like the conversational, less combative forum. I'm not a frequent poster, but this is my favorite forum.<3 to you all.

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Response to RainbowSuperfund (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:34 AM

40. Same here. I don't post much, but it's my sanctuary n/t

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 05:06 PM

39. Yes for me. I don't think the group should appear in latest pages. Many people

just do not understand what this is about and/or they have very closed minds to begin with ...

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:54 PM

41. I've yet to get an answer on the full opt-out, but I will keep asking.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 11:23 PM

42. Let's opt out if we can!

THanks Lucinda.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 12:15 AM

43. opt out ASAH

but more exposure for election reform. Funny how i want more exposure for one group that used to be a forum and less for another place on DU.

I agree with what has been said up thread.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 01:18 AM

44. opt out if possible

thanks for asking.

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