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Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:24 PM

I'd like to address the members of this group about the locked thread

I was the person who made the alert that led to the hiding of this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12206664

I may have been wrong. If you think I was, then I was, and I will own that.

Please allow me to share the background.

I am a MIRT member. Our job is to stop malicious intruders (MIs) and spammers (MIs, too, but of a different sort). Our job is NOT to police the boards and certainly not to police the small groups like this one.

We have access to all new sign-ups to DU. We routinely look at each and every one of them. We have a direct link to their latest posts (but not any earlier ones). In this case, I looked at the new poster, bschwartz. The poster's first post appeared as spam. It certainly fit the profile of a newer spam form, which is a pseudo-personal story wrapped around a link to a commercial site or service. On that basis, I banned the new member, bschwartz and reported that back to the MIRT.

Upon reporting that, another MIRT member (doesn't matter who), checked behind me and asked if the OP, which was formatted similarly to the now deleted post, was also spam. I had not checked the context of the first post and therefore didn't see the OP, or for that matter, did I pay any attention to the group in which it was posted.

I saw the post appeared to follow the same pattern as the now deleted thread, but also saw the post count of the poster was too high to unilaterally PPR. So I alerted on the post, with ToS checked.

That sent it to a jury and a jury voted to hide it. That sent it back to MIRT. Since then it has been a hot MIRT topic. I've read all the comments discussing the locked thread and have decided I was in error.

I am here all on my own. I'm not representing MIRT as no one asked me to do this.

Since I think I was in error, I ask for the forgiveness of this group in general, and particularly from the OP, findrskeep, for getting your thread locked.

I don't know if it is possible to unlock it, but it is certainly possible to start the thread again.

I hope you'll forgive me. I am sorry this happened.

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Reply I'd like to address the members of this group about the locked thread (Original post)
Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 OP
MorningGlow Apr 2012 #1
Howler Apr 2012 #2
kentauros Apr 2012 #3
cbayer Apr 2012 #4
Howler Apr 2012 #6
icymist Apr 2012 #5
mysticalchick Apr 2012 #11
maddezmom Apr 2012 #16
orleans Apr 2012 #23
maddezmom Apr 2012 #24
orleans Apr 2012 #29
findrskeep Apr 2012 #7
Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #12
icymist Apr 2012 #13
OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #26
kentauros Apr 2012 #30
Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #8
findrskeep Apr 2012 #9
Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #18
DeSwiss Apr 2012 #32
rosesaylavee Apr 2012 #10
cyberswede Apr 2012 #14
Howler Apr 2012 #15
Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #19
findrskeep Apr 2012 #17
davsand Apr 2012 #21
davsand Apr 2012 #20
Cleita Apr 2012 #22
NuttyFluffers Apr 2012 #25
Delphinus Apr 2012 #28
magical thyme Apr 2012 #27
BlueToTheBone Apr 2012 #31
kimmerspixelated Apr 2012 #33
sandyshoes17 Apr 2012 #34

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:29 PM

1. Thank you for being so forthright, Stinky

This helps tremendously. Mainly we were all wondering what prompted the hiding of the OP (the spam post was pretty self explanatory) and you have explained yourself well. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding. I do hope that Findrskeep will be allowed to repost--we value her talents, information, and offer.

Thanks again.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:37 PM

2. hey Stinky!

No problem! It was all just a misunderstanding then.
Thank you so much for your post !!! It is much appreciated!!!
And Thank you for all that you do on D.U. I love you're posts though you are not posting as much any more.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:43 PM

3. Thank you for explaining the background to this situation.

And while I can forgive you for the actions, I think we need to hear from findrskeep, too, or you do, anyway

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:50 PM

4. I don't usually come here, but I wanted to thank Stinky for making this post

and for the amazing job he does on the MIRT and to express my respect for him.

MIRT is a big group with a tough job and we are learning as a group all the time. Overall, I think the team does an amazing job and working with this team is probably one of the best jobs on DU. But the process is new and we sometimes learn by trial and error.

There is no question that this was an honest mis-step, and Stinky had support from other MIRT members. I don't think anyone could really know what the ramifications might be.

So, I know that I for one have learned something here and I have nothing but deep respect for those that step up to the plate and take responsibility.

Thanks Stinky. And thanks to the ASAH members who approached this so civilly and rationally with the only goal being to get it resolved.

cbayer
(the ex-mod who nuked herself.....
twice)

:slowlearner:

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Response to cbayer (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:57 PM

6. I Agree with EVERYTHING cBayer said!!!

I've nuked me self a couple of times too!

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:51 PM

5. Thank you Stinky for explaining things to everyone here...

Geesh! What in the world happened?! I come home from my exausting midnight job and elect to sleep right off and when I wake up I find this? Since I'm one of the Hosts of this group I'm wondering why there wasn't an alert in my mailbox? Could somebody please PM me and fill me in?

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Response to icymist (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:05 PM

11. I didn't get one either, Icymist

Isn't it set up to notify hosts? if not, perhaps that could be considered for future builds.

Stinky, thanks for your kind explanation. It's much appreciated.

(BTW, you always write the best subject lines - many's the time I've been sucked into reading your posts on that alone! Good work and also too: damn! where'd you learn that mad skill?)

Lisa
One of the forum hosts

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Response to icymist (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:39 PM

16. only SOP violations go to the hosts

this was a alerted as a TOS violation so it went to the jury. Hope that helps.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:07 AM

23. can you help a novice out with a few definitions?

MIRT?
SOP?
TOS?
(i feel so out of touch!)

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Response to orleans (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:15 AM

24. sure

MIRT is the Malicious Intruder Removal team and here are a few links for a description:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10131353
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem#mirteam



SOP is the Statement of Purpose for a group or a forum. You can find each SOP by clicking


here is the one for this group
Statement of Purpose
Positively explore issues having to do with Astrology, metaphysics & spirituality, homeopathy/alternative medicine and healing, Ascension, and other subjects having to do with holistic physical and spiritual growth & traditions.


TOS is Terms of Service which you can find here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Hope that helps.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:03 PM

29. thanks for this

it just seems so much more complicated than before when we could hit alert and send a note to one of the mods.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:00 PM

7. Dear Stinky,

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the "behind the scenes" goings on of how this happened. This clears it up and hopefully if anything good comes of this, it will make those responsible for policing DU pause to take a breath and just think for a minute before just deciding to lock a post, send it to a jury, ban a member and whatever else it is that job entails. Of course I forgive you and thank you for speaking up, you're my kind of clown.

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Response to findrskeep (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:06 PM

12. Thank you. I'm really sorry this happened.

I have asked the powers that be if they can unlock your thread. It may actually not be possible, but I've asked.

You may also want to repost it. I promise it won't get alerted - at least not by me!

Again, I'm really sorry.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:20 PM

13. I believe that you will find this group a really forgiving bunch Stinky.

It goes with unconditional Love and that we are all parts of the same group. Love conquers all and we all surely wish to conquer the Republicans this Fall. Thank you for all the hard work that you and the other MIRT members do to protect the DU.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:17 AM

26. You so deserve a big hug...

well, more than one:

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:24 PM

30. I second that!

Or rather, I one-hundred-and-thirty-first it!

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:00 PM

8. This entire thing is a bunch of crap

we all know what the truth is here, and who is real.
carry the truth, Neptune is showing it to us
bless you Finders....

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:02 PM

9. I was thinking the same exact thing

earlier Rick...Neptune is showing us for sure.

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Response to findrskeep (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:48 PM

18. you CANNOT hide from Neptune

no one
no country
we ARE being stripped naked in order to show ourselves as we really are
if we are mature about it, we will learn
if we are childish about it, we will sink fast
it's really very simple
it's a blessing
yea finders!

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 04:21 PM

32. Nuff said.

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:03 PM

10. Thanks Stinky

You done good. Carry on.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:28 PM

14. I would also like to apologize...

because I think one of my posts may have sparked this whole thing.

I read bschwartz's post, but did not act on it or bring it to the MIRT group, because I wasn't sure it was spam (it seemed like a reasonable response to the OP - an alternative, if you will).

Once bschwartz's post was deleted as spam, I wondered why it was considered spam if the OP was not, so I posted the following in MIRT group (sorry, can't link to it):

cyberswede
4. Would that OP be considered spam?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12206664

I read bschwartz's post, and then I read the thread. The OP is linking to an online psychic reading website, and bschwartz's post replied and provided a link to a different psychic reading website.


So, I think Stinky's action was based on my poorly communicated post - the fault is mine.

I'm terribly sorry about this, and I hope I can be forgiven.


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Response to cyberswede (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:37 PM

15. You are so Cool CyberSwede!!!

Thank you for doing your job!!!
And thank you for being so honest and open minded enough to post this!!!
I understand you guys have alot on your plates and alot of traffic through alot of sub groups sooooo no worries! We all are getting to know each other better.
It all takes time. and we are a pretty self sufficient group that rarely warrants monitoring LOL! We treat each other really well!
You ROCK!!!!

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Response to Howler (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:49 PM

19. I agree with Howler

you rock

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:17 PM

17. Thank you for posting Cyberswede

and really clarifying what happened. I forgive you, it was all just a big misunderstanding but I'm sure some good will come out it, it already is!! Lots of light being shed on a topic today that normally would fall by the wayside for many of the readers of these threads. It's all good!

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 11:33 PM

21. I missed you when I posted downthread. It was not an intended slight.

I'm not being flip, here, but sh*t happens. No blame for you here.

You are giving a part of yourself and your energy to this community, and I think you should be celebrated for doing so. Thank you!



Laura

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 11:29 PM

20. THANK YOU for coming in here and talking to us--ALL of you!!

Stinky, you were doing a job--a volunteer job at that. No heartache here--it is what it is and we all move on together. You remain one of my favorite non-creepy clowns!

To the hosts here, I had no idea that I was violating any sort of protocol by not contacting you guys directly. Mea Culpa. No slight was intended, I assure you. Again, you are doing a volunteer job and I deeply appreciate the gift of time and energy you give us all.

To all who have come here with an intent to sooth raw nerves, bless you. This caring and sharing is what made the original DU such a wonderful community--such a haven--when we all needed one terribly. We are not a pack of rabid animals eating the young, we are a group of like minded people who maybe have differences of opinions on specific things. I've seen the phrase "herding cats" applied in this context before, but given the general lack of civility in not just the political arenas, but also life in general, I have to say seeing this kind of response does much to refresh my overall faith in the whole system.

Peace to you all.



Laura

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:16 AM

22. Thanks Stinky.

I was one of the jurors who voted to LEAVE IT ALONE, but I was overruled. Hopefully, the poster will start the thread again.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:07 AM

25. this has to be a record for the most positivity for a closed topic and mea culpa i've ever seen

obviously it must mean this place is special.
(and since i'm on here, i must be special, too )

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Response to NuttyFluffers (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:58 AM

28. So totally agree with you!

On everything!

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:32 AM

27. Wow! Thank you Stinky and Cyberswede!

 

Of course you are forgiven, Stinky. You and Cyberswede were both just doing what you thought was the right thing. Thank you for straightening this out for us.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:42 PM

31. That was very brave, Stinky

We are a different breed/sort in this forum. We put the woo in woohoo and bring light and help to this dark and dreary world. Drop by sometimes to get a new perspective on life. This world is filled with mystery and wonder and we ask "muggle" tolerance. I hope that you have resurrected bschwartz from the wherever. Namaste

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 06:42 PM

33. Well said.

Absolutely!

WOO! Power to the (we finest of folkies!)

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:14 PM

34. This what I love about this group

We don't get angry and snipe at people. We get it out in the open, discuss, forgive and move on. I love it!

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