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Ricochet21

(3,794 posts)
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:19 PM Jul 2012

Before You Look to Astrology for Relationship Guidance...

[h1][center]Before You Look to Astrology
for Relationship Guidance…[/center][/h1]



Granted,
my office is constantly visited by those who seek match-making, or relationship verification via the planets. Most of us want intimacy; to have someone to share our lives with. Yes, the #1 question I get is about a person’s “love life.” #2 is usually about their life direction.

Most people don’t know how to read astrology’s complexities and it’s only natural that they seek information from professional astrologers. Many astrologers make millions of dollars on the Internet doing the most basic of match-making, comparing one Sun sign to another. Much good information is out there. If people really knew how complex is it to compare one person’s chart to their partner’s chart, they’d be very surprised.

Most people default to asking about Sun-sign matching, because that’s all they know. But the truth derived from such a comparison is weak at best. Why? - because, there is so much more in your individuated natal chart. Your Moon (emotions), Venus (how receptive you are to love), Mars (your desire for love), etc. I can’t begin to tell you how many thousands of times I hear, “I’m an Aries; I’m supposed to be good with a Leo?” While Sun-sign matching is generically valid, many more factors have to come into the picture for an accurate assessment to be done.

Astrology provides us with two main ways of studying a relationship. And this does not have to be between two humans either; you can compare your chart to your business; to your pets; to your country, etc. The first way is simply to compare the position of your planets and other significant markers in your chart to the other person’s. This is called doing “chart synastry.” My Sun might be in “good” geometrical relationship with your Sun; that’s usually very good. The placement of my Moon compared to the others’ is very critical since the Moon placement has much to do with getting your needs met and shows basically what you are comfortable with.

After a lengthy study, the astrologer gets a very clear picture via synastry, by comparing most or all of the critical astrological points. This can clearly tell the astrologer how you affect the other person and vice versa. It can be uncannily accurate and telling. By doing this, you can see how John Lennon and Paul McCartney didn’t always get along as great buddies, but also how they affected each other to a fine degree.

The other method is done with a “composite chart.” A composite chart is derived by mathematically finding the exact mid-points between all common planets or points. For example, if your Sun is at 10° of Taurus and your partner’s Sun is at 20° of Taurus, your composite chart would display your composite Sun at 15° Taurus; or halfway between. A third chart is constructed displaying these composite or mid-points. We continue on around the chart doing the same thing for all the planets, etc. This used to be done by hand and became quite tedious, now computers do the calculations in a split-second.

The resulting composite chart looks very strange and different, but definitely represents a duo’s chart. It shows what the dyad is all about. Now, unlike synastry, a composite chart tells me why you are together; what are your natural strengths and weaknesses, and so on. I have done thousands and thousands of these types of charts and find great elucidation about the couple expressed herein. Their composite chart tells us of the magic that Lennon & McCartney had together, which of course, they never attained separately. Chemistry.

The composite chart is so accurate in fact that when the day’s transiting planets line up with points in the composite chart, the relationship will change somewhat. For instance, using our Taurus example above, if there is a Lunar Eclipse tonight at 15° Taurus, right on the composite Sun, (or exactly halfway between the two natal Suns) the relationship will go through significant new insights (from the eclipse’s light) about the couple. It becomes much more complex than what can be expressed in a simple newsletter; but you get the point.

[center]HERE’S THE CATCH[/center]

Analyzing how each chart affects the other (synastry) and what is the true nature of the pairing (composite) does not tell us anything about each person’s ability to have a relationship in the first place.

If you and your partner have great chemistry, indicated by either the synastry or composite chart; that does NOT necessarily mean that you will have a great relationship! It will help however.

In the 1970’s, the marvelous American astrologer, Stephen Arroyo, was a master at the study of relationships through the astrological model. Yes, he is a natural at it being a Libra Sun sign with a heavy 7th house. But what he brought to the science was priceless. His books specialize on the topic of relationships and he affected greatly how all of astrology has been seen ever since. Not only did he bring Humanistic Astrology (that’s seeing the planets as OURS, inside of us, representing very basic human needs or archetypal values) into the fore, he also was one of the first to point out that even if you have good synastry and even a good composite chart, what is paramount is your actual ability to have a relationship.

I cannot tell you how many hundreds of comparison charts I have done, where the pairing of the two looks good, even very good, but he charts still do not alone foretell of a picnic between the two. Each individual has to be able to give and take.

The prima facie case of good relationships is dependent upon each person’s ability to relate!

Almost all valid astrological analysis goes back to studying the nature of the relationship with the native and one or both of his or her parents. It’s that simple. Rare is the individual who was not nurtured at home who becomes able to nurture or accept nurturing “today.” I’m sure this comes to you as no surprise. A surprisingly high percentage of people just “won’t let others in.” And this comes from my clients lips directly (and is also pretty clear in the chart.) Don’t be confused, just because your chart shows that you may have difficulty with emotional exchange does not mean that you can’t overcome it, because you can. Some of the very warmest people I’ve have ever read for have significant emotional challenges symbolized in their birth chart. They actually did have to work at it; and sometimes that symbolizes to me that they wanted it more. So, do not be discouraged if you have planets with “challenging aspects.”

Common planetary pictures that suggest emotional blockages are Venus in almost any aspect with Saturn. Venus being the “yin” planet symbolizes how you allow emotions in (or don’t.) It’s not so much that Saturn is cold and mean like the old fear-based books talked about; it’s more that the client is simply being too careful! The heart doesn’t know what “careful” means – a good lesson for all of us to learn! Being too careful usually results in being stuck.

Another common red flag in a chart is when the Moon is not well placed or is “troubled” by other planets. This story is far too voluminous to tell here.

“When the Moon ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy!”

Not surprisingly, the Moon is naturally paired with the Mother figure.

When the Moon is troubled, sometimes the person is simply not happy or comfortable. I believe this goes back to the past life or lack of emotional support at an early age.

Other times, Moon-Pluto combinations can indicate karmic problems with being able to relate. Many times this manifests where the mother-daughter relationship just wasn’t healthy. One usurps the other’s energies even to the point of boundary confusion.

These have been just a few examples; you really have to have the charts read by a true professional in order to be able to ascertain whether the relationship is on good footing astrologically. A computer program cannot do it and neither can most of the 1-900-online-“astrologers” who are very good at telling you what you want to hear. Chart compatibility is possibly one of the most difficult challenges one faces as a professional astrologer. People want you to tell them what they want to hear. It is not an astrologer’s job, and in fact is unscrupulous, to tell a couple that they have a “bad” relationship or even express doubt. The job of the astrologer is to point out the strengths and possible challenges that the couple may face. Also, the astrologer shouldn’t give the querents a final “report card” on the nature of the relationship. He or she needs to have a healthy “give and take” discussion with the clients to get down to an accurate appraisal.

Surprisingly, it’s more common that I find charts of “successful” couples to be more complimentary as opposed to compatible. It’s actually kind of shocking how open most people are in this type of soul-sharing.

People want to get past their stuff.

One of the surprising things an astrologer can look for is that special “thing” that a couple has. You’ve seen it before. You know; where a couple just doesn’t look like they will make it together; but in fact, they get along famously! One reason it can happen, and one that most astrologers miss, is that one person may have a really nice planet or combination of energies sitting right on the other person’s “trouble spot”!

I’ll give you an example: Forgetting now about Sun or Moon signs, let’s say Sara has difficulty with emotional exchanges symbolized in her chart by Venus in the sign of Virgo. Venus in Virgo can be very tricky and very picky in issues of love. But, let’s say she is dating Tom who has his natal Jupiter sitting at a degree of the zodiac close to where her Venus is. For some unknown reason (unknown to non-astrologers,) she’ll simply feel really good around him! She’ll feel like letting her guard down around him and won’t even know why. Many times this is because of a past life relationship the two have had or other significators. It doesn’t matter: Tom makes Sara feel good. Jupiter cheers up her Venus.

Astrology is much more major and intimate than you might think! (Next book)

On the other hand, I’ve seen this situation in so many chart comparisons: Let’s say your brother-in-law Sam just drives you crazy, and he feels the same way about you. Further analysis might show that his Mars is in Sagittarius (blunt, direct action) and is at a right angle (stressful relationship) to your Mars in Pisces (gentle, thoughtful action). He will irritate you in just about all ways, especially if the degree of difference (orb) is very tight. He will feel like you are weak (Mars in Pisces) and he’ll want to give you a kick in the pants to make you more aggressive. Likewise, you will feel like he is too impulsive and brash. Sagittarius vs. Pisces. The two of you just need to sit on opposite ends of the table and take it easy on the wine.

So, we see, astrology tells us a whole lot about ourselves and our relationships. It usually won’t do you much harm to read magazine and Internet articles about relationship and compatibility issues, but do use a great deal of salt when doing so. I HIGHLY caution all of you if you’re about to spend a lot of money on comparative charts. I say this mainly because it’s very hard for an astrologer to give a professional and balanced report and it’s a very easy way for unethical astrologers to make a buck.

Another issue must be addressed before we close this topic. Many people will come into your life to steal your energy (or worse.) The fact is, when someone comes to “steal” from you, most of the time it’s an indication that you have called them forth unconsciously due to low self-esteem. Really. And when the esteem problem gets worked out, that just doesn’t happen much anymore. The dynamic changes in your favor from then on.

Most people just don’t want to hear that they need to work on themselves more before they can expect a good relationship. Curiously, most folks think that we astrologers can SEE when a relationship is coming. “Is it someone I already know?” Without a doubt, I have seen this over and over and over: when you get your life clear, that’s when a partner is LIKELY to arrive! I’ve even seen it happen the day after a person let’s go of a bad situation in an attempt to take care of themselves. Like I say, the jets can’t land on the aircraft carrier if the deck is crowded with stuff (emotional baggage.) Once the deck is cleared, you are making room for new life to enter; then, it is uncanny how many jets will land and actually land smoothly. This dynamic will be a big part of the subject of our next book, “The Intimate Zodiac”.

Also, I hate to tell you this, but this is not the age of Ozzie and Harriet or Leave it to Beaver anymore. The 1950’s paradigm has ended. No longer does evolved man gauge the success of his or her relationship by its longevity. The old “Pluto in Cancer” generation did. They were born in the 20’s and 30’s. Longevity was a good yardstick for Cancer’s need for emotional security. Now, personal growth through relationship is superceding the need for security.

But, we have evolved greatly, and we are NOW evolving at an alarmingly fast rate (2012!) In other words, people are sent to you now (in many cases) to bring you your next spiritual lesson! A Pisces commonly comes into your life to bring you Neptune lessons. If you are going through a Neptune transit, the themes of love and compassion are best delivered by another whose Sun-sign is Pisces or a person with strong Neptunian characteristics. It’s VERY common that when you are undergoing a Pluto transit, its lessons come to you via a Scorpio or one strong with Scorpio/Plutonian aspects. This person comes to help you get stronger of maybe to challenge you to your very core. I am not making this up. I see it all the time. You have the willpower to succeed in such situations, however. In these cases, your unconscious mind has become so frustrated trying to get your conscious mind to EXPRESS YOUR OWN PASSIONS… That it will send you someone to force you to face the issues. Yes, our very “death wishes” do accrue and come to pass in weird ways, ways that are evident astrologically.

Whether good or bad, the planets just will not support you if you are in a co-dependent relationship. On the other hand, all the planets, yes, even Pluto, will help you greatly if you are trying – making an effort to become whole and express all the varied astrological archetypes within you to make you complete. Planets are not out to get you – they do not make good or bad relationships. We humans are so incredibly hung up upon the words “good” and “bad.” We all know what we’re really doing: we know if we want someone close to us or if we simply don’t trust others.

Don’t look to the Internet, match-making astrologers, or psychics to “solve” your love life. What I see every day that really works is simple: Be true to yourself. You will naturally attract compatible matches to yourself. You will naturally repel “baggage” away from you. There’s no secret. Yes, astrology can and will elucidate that special “something” that someone has, and it can help a lot. There is a very appropriate place for astrology. It is a marvelous science/art, but remember: it will not open your heart for you.

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Before You Look to Astrology for Relationship Guidance... (Original Post) Ricochet21 Jul 2012 OP
Brilliant as usual, Rick... noel711 Jul 2012 #1
I read Arroyo Ricochet21 Jul 2012 #2
I did not catch his last book... noel711 Jul 2012 #4
Wow,Rick... kimmerspixelated Jul 2012 #3

noel711

(2,185 posts)
1. Brilliant as usual, Rick...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:06 AM
Jul 2012

Sadly, most people won't take the big picture into consideration;
like politics, they want a 'sound byte,' a bumper sticker approach.
'make it easy and simple and don't make think or work.'

YOu are spot on about Arroyo: he changed my views on many things.

Ricochet21

(3,794 posts)
2. I read Arroyo
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jul 2012

I stopped reading others. He changed it all for me. So glad you liked it. His last book was awful, I think he's quite retired.

noel711

(2,185 posts)
4. I did not catch his last book...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:54 PM
Jul 2012

For some reason, I thought he was no long with us...

I gotta get out more.......

kimmerspixelated

(8,423 posts)
3. Wow,Rick...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:36 PM
Jul 2012

just like most Joni Mitchell albums, this will need another listening to!(reading)...

to savor the tremendous favor you do us every month.

Relationships!...Oh, Yeah! I should pm my sister's vitals, so you could figure out( if you have time )how in the world I will keep my head above water in her Gemini house! HAHA!

Sometimes there is an intensity from both of us. Ya think?

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