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Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:26 AM Mar 2017

Jewish Group: Jewish man makes anti-semitic bomb threats: is this internalized oppression?

THIS IS THE JEWISH GROUP!

The joint investigations by Israeli law enforcement agencies and the FBI in the arrest of the suspected perpetrator of bomb threats on Jewish community centers in the United States and other countries raises more questions than it answers.

Was this Jewish 19-year-old of dual U.S. and Israeli citizenship the only person involved? And what were his motives?

In response to the arrest, the Anti-Defamation League issued a statement asserting: “These were acts of anti-Semitism. These threats targeted Jewish institutions, were calculated to sow fear and anxiety, and put the entire Jewish community on high alert.”

Though we do not yet have a psychological profile of this young man, if it turns out that he was, in fact, the architect and agent of these terrorist threats, it matters not that he is Jewish. The choice of targets makes these acts anti-Semitic.

Jewish people, and other people of socially marginalized identities and communities, still live in a world that, in many quarters, teaches that we are “less than,” that we do not have a right to exist, and even that we actually do not exist. As such, we can find it difficult at best not to internalize society’s negative teaching about ourselves.

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Take a look at a few of the comments to see anti-Semitism in action, even on a liberal/"progressive" GLBTQI site.
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Jewish Group: Jewish man makes anti-semitic bomb threats: is this internalized oppression? (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Mar 2017 OP
I don't know what to make of this story. murielm99 Mar 2017 #1
Need more info. Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #2
Your post is speculation. Behind the Aegis Mar 2017 #3
My post points out potential causes are speculative Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #4
That's a load. Behind the Aegis Mar 2017 #5
Don't understand the hostility Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Mar 2017 #7

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
2. Need more info.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:55 AM
Mar 2017

Apparently he has a non-malignant brain tumor that seriously impairs his mental state. That's why he didn't enter the army. Let's find out more info before we speculate.

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
3. Your post is speculation.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 03:25 PM
Mar 2017

So no, we don't need to wait to speculate, as you have shown. I have seen reports he had a brain tumor, but there hasn't been a report that has definitively shown he compromised his judgement. Even the article brings up the point his mental status could be an issue, but it doesn't eliminate the issue of "self-loathing" and therefore is worthy of a discussion, especially in the Jewish Group, which is where you are posting.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
4. My post points out potential causes are speculative
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 05:00 PM
Mar 2017

I have no intent to deter discussion of potential causes, or any discussion for that matter. Discuss self-loathing as a potential cause. Another possible cause is physiological, and another is psychiatric disorder. There could be others.

However, all these potential causes are speculative, so all non-sequitors to this story. That was my point. The article seemed to focus on one, which to me implies it's a more credible cause than the others. You may infer differently. Differences of opinions. That's all.

There are all varieties of self-hating minorities. Self-hating Jews, African Americans, gays (Pence may be one - pure speculation), etc. All worthy of discussion and analysis.

I'm well aware this forum is the Jewish group.

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
5. That's a load.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 05:26 PM
Mar 2017

First of all, you said:

Let's find out more info before we speculate.


So, yes, you were "limiting" what is to be discussed. The concept of "self-loathing" is not a non sequitur* to a story about the possible cause of his anti-Semitic act. The article is exploring one possible reason, and expands the reason into a need for a discussion within the Jewish community about the concept of anti-Semitism and self-loathing.

Your comment about Pence is a non sequitur and offensive. You have any thing that remotely represents fact? No, just that he is a homophobe? Yeah, most homophobes are STRAIGHT. So, it is more likely he is a heterosexual and not a self-loathing homosexual.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
6. Don't understand the hostility
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 06:17 PM
Mar 2017

"First of all, you said:

Let's find out more info before we speculate. So, yes, you were "limiting" what is to be discussed."

It was a suggestion only because I'm very fact oriented if you knew me. I then specifically clarified it was not my intent to deter discussion, and analysis of it as a potential cause was worthwhile. So you're cherry picking.

"The concept of "self-loathing" is not a non sequitur* to a story about the possible cause of his anti-Semitic act. The article is exploring one possible reason, and expands the reason into a need for a discussion within the Jewish community about the concept of anti-Semitism and self-loathing."

The article only explores that as the potential cause. No other potential causes are explored or discussed at all. As I said, and will repeat, that's a worthwhile discussion. My only concern was the mistaken inference that it was a more likely cause than others, but acknowledged and accepted others may have different opinions.

"Your comment about Pence is a non sequitur and offensive."

Yes it is. I said it was "pure speculation."

"You have any thing that remotely represents fact?"

No, and said I don't. I was mocking it as "pure speculation."

"No, just that he is a homophobe? Yeah, most homophobes are STRAIGHT. So, it is more likely he is a heterosexual and not a self-loathing homosexual."

Your statement of alleged fact, not mine.

Fyi, I'm 100% Jewish. My grandparents lived in Polish and Bukovina shtetls. Heard of Bukovina? So I find this story extremely disturbing on a personal level. That's why I joined this discussion. If that effects certain false assumptions about my intent you may have made, terrific.

That said, fuck it. I don't appreciate being put on the defensive by an unwelcoming moderator. I'll kick myself out.

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