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Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:48 PM Jan 2018

Ukraines new heroes: Anti-Semites and murderers of Jews

KIEV—A statue in memory of Symon Petliura was unveiled several months ago in the Jewish neighborhood of Vinnitsa. The monument was initiated and erected by the Ukraine authorities. Petliura, by the way, is linked to the massacre of as many as 100,000 innocent Jews during the 1918-1920 civil war.

And he’s not alone. Meet Ukraine’s new heroes: Anti-Semitic murderers who massacred Jews and are being commemorated as part of a “decommunization” (a process of dismantling the legacies of communism) in the streets and city squares.

Avenues and streets have been named after Stepan Bandera and his partners, who collaborated with the Nazis and massacred Jews during the Holocaust. Ironically, the avenue leading to Moscow and to Babi Yar (the site of massacres carried out by German forces and local Ukrainian collaborators) is named after Bandera.

It’s no wonder Ukraine’s Jews are angry and troubled, living in a country where anti-Semitic murderers are backed by the authorities and spraying hate graffiti is routine. During Catholic Christmas, for example, hate graffiti were sprayed in three Jewish sites—the gates of the Holocaust museum in Odessa, a Jewish cultural center and an inactive synagogue in the city.

So security around Jewish institutions is being boosted, but at the same time—according to Jewish sources in the country—the authorities are encouraging a glorification of anti-Semites.

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https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5076191,00.html

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Ukraines new heroes: Anti-Semites and murderers of Jews (Original Post) question everything Jan 2018 OP
Ukrainian Jews: Beakybird Jan 2018 #1
hitler could have been seen as a hero in Ukraine but he played his cards very poorly. msongs Jan 2018 #2
The old joke MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #3

msongs

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2. hitler could have been seen as a hero in Ukraine but he played his cards very poorly.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:59 AM
Jan 2018

As an invader who liberated Ukraine from the Soviets he would have been a liberator. And one might well believe Ukraine had no love for its Jews either. Instead tho Hitler imposed hell on Ukrainians of all kinds as well as Ukrainian Jews, making him an enemy. He could have had an ally against Moscow but blew it.

MosheFeingold

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3. The old joke
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:55 AM
Jan 2018

My Ukrainian friend used to tell me:

Q: Who would a Ukrainian fight first; a Nazi or a Russian?

A: The Russians, of course. Business before pleasure.

I'm certainly not one to defend Nazis. Nor those somewhat allied with Nazis. Nazis killed much of my family. I served the us army against them.

But the Russians were arguably worse than the Nazis from a Ukrainian perspective. So it made less than desirable fighters kind of palatable. Very complicated.

I'm skeptical of the Ukrainians here. Fiddler in the roof was based there for a reason. But I'd listen to their reasons before being outraged.

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