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Related: About this forumFive members of Jewish community among 17 killed in Florida massacre
Four Jewish students and a teacher were confirmed Thursday to be among the 17 victims killed during a massacre at their Florida high school the day before.
The dead included four students Jamie Guttenberg, Alyssa Alhadeff, Alex Schachter, Meadow Pollack and teacher Scott Beigel, heralded for putting himself in the line of fire to save others.
The five deaths were reported by family members, friends, and community members. Rabbi Mendy Gutnick of Chabad of Parkland, who has been in touch with many of the families of those killed and injured, confirmed the five deaths to The Times of Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/five-members-of-jewish-community-confirmed-among-17-killed-in-florida-massacre/
Sneederbunk
(14,286 posts)Apparently it is important.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)but why is it important?... unless the shooter targeted specific people ( and there is no report right now that he did )
Behind the Aegis
(53,936 posts)THAT is why their being Jewish is important.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)"We need to know religious affiliations of the other victims."
And I wondered why.
I was not questioning the OP statement on the religion of a number of the victims as being Jewish. I would think it would matter to everyone (as to the religion of any victim) if they were targeted.
Of course, it would matter to members of your religion that certain victims were members of your faith.
It has been stated that the shooter MAY have been affiliated with a White Supremacist group... a claim that may be false.
If he was affiliated with someone that is anti-semitic, then perhaps the investigation should look at the specific targeting of individuals and look at this as a potential hate crime.
Behind the Aegis
(53,936 posts)I just wanted to make sure you knew where you were. The other poster's comment is crass, especially in this group, but people often don't realize they are in a group and not a main forum. Therefore, I wanted to make sure you, too, also understood a discussion here is going to slightly different than were it in a main forum.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)but rarely post in groups that I wouldn't normally belong in... even if I had some sort of opinion about something.
I only responded to this because of the odd nature of the statement.
Behind the Aegis
(53,936 posts)As long as you know where you are, all is copasetic!
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)For racist attacks. I think it is roughly 50% of reported racist incidents --- which is staggering when you realize we are 2% of the population.
This appears to be a random attack from a looney with no cognizant political viewpoint.
But it certainly doesn't hurt to check such things.
Mosby
(16,295 posts)Where we discuss things of interest in the Jewish community.
The religions of the victims is important, especially for Jews because we have religious laws concerning death and burial practices.
EllieBC
(3,010 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:58 PM - Edit history (1)
The publication this is from is a Jewish publication. Yes, we mourn our dead. We mourn all dead but we do hurt deeply when even one of our tiny population is killed.
EllieBC
(3,010 posts)May their memory be a blessing and may Hashem comfort them among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.
Behind the Aegis
(53,936 posts)FUCK NO! This was posted in GD, with typical responses...
Yesterday, February 14th 2018, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz took an Uber to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the institution he had been expelled from a year earlier, and, according to the police report released this morning, began shooting students that he saw in the hallways and on school grounds. 17 are confirmed dead and 14 injured. The Florida shooting seems to be all anyone is talking about. What people fail to mention, however, is that Douglas High School is more than 40% Jewish, Cruz believed that Jews were part of a conspiracy to unseat white people from power, and the shooting was potentially an anti-Semitic hate crime.
Not only did Nikolas Cruz actively and openly hate Jews, not only does he have a history of making threats and committing acts of violence against Jewish students, but he was part of a white supremacist organization called Republic of Florida Militia that self-identifies as a white civil rights organization that fights for the ultimate creation of a white ethnostate. Nikolas was a member of the ROF and participated in one or more of their training drills to prepare for the possibility of an attack by people of color and Jews against white people.
Were not a big fan of Jews, Republic of Florida Militia leader Jordan Jerub stated in an interview with The Daily Beast. I think there were a lot of Jews at the school that might have been messing with him.
Jerubs statement is very telling. Even if Cruz was not entirely motivated by anti-Semitism (there are certainly other factors as well, including but not limited to his expulsion from Douglas), his hatred of the Jews who attended his school undoubtedly played a major role in his motivations. While there is room to question Cruzs exact motivations, I find it troubling that such a visible connection to anti-Semitism is being overlooked as irrelevant enough to entirely exclude it from many major news articles; if a white supremacist blatantly and frequently spoke about abhorrence for any other minority and then shot up a school- even one he used to attend- that consisted mostly of members of that ethnic group, people would at least be discussing the possibility that it was a hate crime. People are not having a discussion and not taking Cruzs anti-Semitism seriously because common anti-Semitic tropes paint Jews as powerful and privileged, which leaves room for people to ignore the fact that our long history of oppression continues to this day.
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UPDATE: Jerub, who previously claimed Cruz as a member of ROF, has backtracked and stated that his claims that he trained Cruz with ROF were a misunderstanding propelled by the lying Jew media. While many are taking his retraction at face value, I would like to point out that it is only common sense- and advice any lawyer would give- to deny training a school shooter in the art of gun violence with the explicit purpose of targeting people of color and Jews in the event that they rise up against white people. We do not know for certain whether or not Jerubs original statement is true, but anyone would have retracted that statement regardless of truthfulness in an attempt to protect themselves from both the law and media backlash. The evidence behind this article may be marginally flimsier with rising development, but the point still stands; there is enough evidence to warrant a discussion about the possibility of the Douglas High School shooting being an anti-Semitic hate crime, but this discussion is just not happening because people do not take anti-Semitism seriously.
Anti-Semitism a joke to people! FFS, look at the comments anytime someone dares raises the idea of anti-Semitism being a possible motivating factor. Then there are those who are passive-aggressively trying to blame the ADL for reporting this initially. We are just 24 hours into this tragedy. There are WAY too many "unknowns" at this time. Of course, I remember all the people ignoring the fact the Pulse shooter was motivated by homophobia, they were all too busy trying to spin into the shooter was a secret "fag" or wringing their hands about Islamphobia to even be concerned about the homophobia! Gun control and mental health issues/care are extremely important parts of the discussion, but to ignore other possible issues because it doesn't fit a narrative or it is the "wrong" minority target is disgusting!
Behind the Aegis
(53,936 posts)I have trolled the right-wing websites (I know bad for blood pressure) and they are claiming he is a "Morrano" Jew. Of course, this is all a "false flag" by Jews. the "Jew media", and Israel (Mossad) to "grab all the guns"! FUCK these assholes are nothing if NOT predictable!