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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:59 PM Nov 2014

CERN may not have discovered elusive Higgs Boson

LONDON: The elusive Higgs boson may not have been discovered despite claims of it being detected last year, according to a new study.

Many calculations indicate that the particle discovered last year in the CERN particle accelerator in Switzerland was indeed the famous Higgs particle.

Physicists agree that the CERN experiments did find a new particle that had never been seen before, but according to an international research team, there is no conclusive evidence that the part ..

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-study/articleshow/45086653.cms

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CERN may not have discovered elusive Higgs Boson (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2014 OP
I bet the term paper's due tomorrow shenmue Nov 2014 #1
but they did get peanut butter in my chocolate Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 #2
Be careful what you wish for QED Nov 2014 #14
Shyamalan twist: Scootaloo Nov 2014 #3
I thought CERN reported its discovery last year also. still_one Nov 2014 #4
Republicans voted down the super collider, another path for the U.S. to be left behind still_one Nov 2014 #5
probably for the better-- lastlib Nov 2014 #11
Republicans don't believe in science. QED Nov 2014 #15
You are right still_one Nov 2014 #16
I wasn't convinced they found it when they claimed to either. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #8
Oh boy! Where to start... longship Nov 2014 #9
Maybe it was really just GOD playing tricks! JDDavis Nov 2014 #7
I propose this name: The Heartbreak Particle. nt SDjack Nov 2014 #10
Isn't that the way it is... defacto7 Nov 2014 #12
Apparently, the TC hypothesis is not excluded by CERN Higgs data.... xocet Nov 2014 #13
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Shyamalan twist:
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:19 PM
Nov 2014

CERN inverted reality. the particle discovered was really the planet Earth and we are all higgs-bosons.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
11. probably for the better--
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:06 PM
Nov 2014

we sure as hell don't want the GOP in charge of sub-atomic particles.........

QED

(2,747 posts)
15. Republicans don't believe in science.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:13 PM
Nov 2014

Ted Cruz, chair of the Senate Science Subcommittee? Oh wait, it's true?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. I wasn't convinced they found it when they claimed to either.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014

Remember before the Higgs claim, CERN claimed to have found that faster than light speed communication was possible, in violation of special relativity. When the data was reviewed they found an equipment error--and special relativity was correct.

Apparently, there is a tendency to jump the gun on these announcements.

Response to BillZBubb (Reply #6)

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Oh boy! Where to start...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:39 PM
Nov 2014

Well, let's start with the so-called faster than light neutrinos. The paper that reported this basically said that the authors did not exactly believe the results but invited the physics community to help debug the issue, which they did. The errant data was the result of a dodgy fiber optic connection. That's how science works in the real world, unlike the one that the idiot media reports. That's why when these things are reported I go to the science Blogs to read what the scientists are really saying. Those who read only media sources never get the whole story.

No doubt, this Higgs story will be similar, media overreach.

Regards.

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
7. Maybe it was really just GOD playing tricks!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:47 PM
Nov 2014

NO more Jesus appearing on toast, God now plays with the best scientific minds of the century.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
12. Isn't that the way it is...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:52 AM
Nov 2014

You think you have found god then all of a sudden "poof" he turns out to be some kind of a quark in living Technicolor. Reminds me of Ben Hur in reverse for some reason.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
13. Apparently, the TC hypothesis is not excluded by CERN Higgs data....
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:51 PM
Nov 2014

However, is there further data that supports the TC hypothesis?

For the actual paper and some other background information on TC from 2007, see the following:

Technicolor Higgs boson in the light of LHC data
Phys. Rev. D 90, 035012 – Published 13 August 2014
Alexander Belyaev, Matthew S. Brown, Roshan Foadi, and Mads T. Frandsen


Abstract


We consider scenarios in which the 125 GeV resonance observed at the Large Hadron Collider is a Technicolor (TC) isosinglet scalar, the TC Higgs and explore the viable parameter space of the effective Higgs boson couplings within the TC Higgs scenario using the latest LHC data. By comparison with quantum chromodynamics, we argue that the couplings of the TC Higgs to the massive weak bosons are very close to the standard model (SM) values. The couplings to photons and gluons are model-dependent, but close to the SM values in several TC theories. The couplings of the TC Higgs to SM fermions are due to interactions beyond TC, such as extended technicolor: if such interactions successfully generate mass for the SM fermions, we argue that the couplings of the latter to the TC Higgs are also SM-like. We suggest a generic parametrization of the TC Higgs interactions with SM particles that accommodates a large class of TC models, and we perform a fit of these parameters to the Higgs LHC data. The fit reveals regions of the parameter space where the form factors have an order-one absolute value at the 95% CL, in agreement with expectations in TC theories. This indicates that the discovered Higgs boson is consistent with the TC Higgs hypothesis for several TC theories.

DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevD.90.035012

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http://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.90.035012


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