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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 03:54 AM Jul 2018

NASA study dashes dreams of terraforming Mars

David Szondy
7 hours ago

Could we one day terraform Mars to give it an atmosphere, new seas, and a generally habitable environment where people could settle without special protection? According to a new NASA study, don't hold your breath. By the most generous estimate, there isn't enough material on the Red Planet to even begin to provide it with a minimal atmosphere – much less make it suitable for colonization.

The idea of colonizing Mars is very attractive, but it keeps coming up against the fact that Mars is about as friendly to life as the Moon. The atmosphere is made up almost entirely of carbon dioxide and is less than a hundredth as dense as the Earth's. Though there is water trapped in the polar ice caps and in permafrost, as well as in what may be a newly discovered subglacial lake, any water on the surface would quickly evaporate. The result is that the surface of Mars is a thousand times drier than the driest spot on Earth.

Add to this the arctic temperatures at night even at the equator and the constant bombardment of UV and cosmic radiation, as well as weird soil chemistries that break down organic molecules with ease, and the picture for human settlement is a depressing one. As things stand, any potential colonists would face a lifetime for themselves and their descendants that would condemn them to living inside entirely artificial environments.

An alternative to this is terraforming. It's an idea that's been around for over a century and the basic concept is to alter the environment on Mars to make it more like Earth's. Though this might seem a bit daunting, we have evidence that billions of years ago ancient Mars had a large ocean, rivers, lakes, and rainfall. If it could be done once, why not again? Melt the water at the poles or in the permafrost, free up the carbon dioxide in the ice caps and the crust, and build up enough of an atmosphere to support liquid water and start the greenhouse process to warm the surface. Everything else would be just tweaking, like introducing plants to produce oxygen.

More:
https://newatlas.com/terraforming-mars-nasa-study/55686/

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NASA study dashes dreams of terraforming Mars (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2018 OP
Brutal Study Just Crushed The Dream of Terraforming Mars Into a Blue Planet Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #1
Easier to build Dyson Swamrs exboyfil Jul 2018 #2
Thank you for this link! Will be watching it closely after some sleep. Looks deeply interesting. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #3
I've always wondered... NeoGreen Jul 2018 #4
we'd need a few comets or asteroids qazplm135 Jul 2018 #5

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
1. Brutal Study Just Crushed The Dream of Terraforming Mars Into a Blue Planet
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 03:55 AM
Jul 2018

Is it time to wake up?

PETER DOCKRILL 31 JUL 2018
Elon Musk wants to do it. NASA wants to do it. Heck, Arnold Schwarzenegger did do it (well, in a movie). But can it be done?

We're talking about terraforming Mars: turning the Red Planet back into a blue one, by geoengineering the hostile Martian environment into something hospitable to humans.

But according to new research, this sci-fi dream – one that is now shared by scientists – remains sadly, impossibly out of reach. For now at least.

The terraforming hypothesis encompasses a number of different strategies, but a common theme suggests that if enough carbon dioxide gas could be freed from under the Martian surface, the Red Planet's thickened atmosphere might one day shelter and support terrestrial life.

It's an awesome, inspirational plan – a dream that takes everything humanity has learned the hard way about planetary-scale global warming, and tries to apply it outwardly, in a positive direction that could one day save the very life of our species.

More:
https://www.sciencealert.com/terraforming-mars-into-blue-planet-might-just-be-sci-fi-dream-geoengineering-carbon-dioxide

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Easier to build Dyson Swamrs
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 04:30 AM
Jul 2018

and O'Neill cylinders.



Check out this website of Isaac Arthur. He explores a bunch of these type of topics.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
3. Thank you for this link! Will be watching it closely after some sleep. Looks deeply interesting. n/t
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 04:44 AM
Jul 2018

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
5. we'd need a few comets or asteroids
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jul 2018

directed towards the planet...easier said than done obviously.

but 1000 years from now, who knows what we could be able to do?

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