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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:10 AM Nov 2018

A Journey to Siberia in Search of Woolly Mammoths

previous group posts: "Russian scientists: We have a "high chance" of cloning a woolly mammoth" https://upload.democraticunderground.com/122827841

A trip report from Pleistocene Park, where the woolly mammoth might soon roam

Under the auspices of the documentary being made about Long Now co-founder Stewart Brand by Structure Films, we are heading to Pleistocene Park in Siberia, where we will be filming Stewart and a team of scientists while they visit one of the first places on Earth that is being readied for the de-extinction and re-introduction of the woolly mammoth.


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The visit to Duvanii made the idea of the “mammoth steppe” extremely real. There was something elemental about being surrounded by Pleistocene bones in a melting tundra landscape. You could close your eyes and feel how rich this ecosystem was before it was hunted into extinction.




The Park
The next day we were heading to our primary destination — Pleistocene Park. We had been learning about the theory of the park over the last few days and it at least sounded simple: Bring the grazing species back to Siberia, clear the trees and brush so that the grasses could come back, expose the soil to the cold air, and increase its reflectance (albedo). This would help keep the tundra frozen, and all the greenhouse gases like CO2 and methane in the ground. One of the sticking points in scaling this plan, however, is the part where you clear the trees and brush over millions of square miles. The Zimovs can do it in the few square miles of the park, but not all of Siberia, much less Northern Europe, Alaska, Canada and Greenland. This is where the mammoth comes in. It is believed that mammoths would keep the small trees and brush in check, leaving the majority of the land as fertile grasses for grazing, and, most importantly for climate change, flat expanses for bright white fields of ice and snow reflecting sunlight.


Mammoth Tissue

Many more days were spent in and around Cherskiy, returning to the park, capturing methane from lakes, visiting scientific outposts, and an evening in the recently built Russian Banya (steam bath). But the final stop for the trip was a visit to the Mammoth Museum in Yukutsk on our way home. A few of us had ventured on ahead to spend a couple days in Moscow, but George Church and Eriona Hysolli were able to acquire some small tissue samples that would allow their work to continue in identifying the genetic differences between mammoths and modern Asian elephants.




Once these two genomes are properly compared, George Church and his lab hope to be able to use modern genetic techniques, and likely some yet to be invented gestation techniques, to be able to bring the mammoth back. The most obvious place for its reintroduction is a place like Pleistocene Park. Mammoths will hopefully once again be roaming the steppe, and keeping the tundra safely frozen, after being absent for nearly 10,000 years.
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hlthe2b

(102,128 posts)
1. We can't even ensure proper climate/ecology for polar bears. Why would we want to subject mammoths
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:30 AM
Nov 2018

to their inevitable climate-change demise? I know it is fascinating, but, I'm not sure I'm buying that they would "keep the tundra safely frozen merely by turning over the soil with grazing"...

JHan

(10,173 posts)
2. I'm kinda skeptical of the entire project.. while fascinated.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:40 AM
Nov 2018

I'm not sold that church is anywhere near making this a reality in the next few years...I've read they're working with 45 DNA edits, that's a very small number compared to the actual number of gene sequences discovered for mammoths.

I think the enterprise is something of a pointless wonder, but this article is fascinating because there's determination to make this a thing.

SledDriver

(2,057 posts)
3. Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:11 PM
Nov 2018

They didn't stop to think if they should...

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