Atheists & Agnostics
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TexasTowelie
(112,125 posts)Mary Magdalene already annointed his feet with oil. What else could a guy want?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Actually, there are about 40 pages of Jesus Gomez in the Chicago phone book and I suspect most of them are married.
Did that answer the question?
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Incoherent mostly; but he portions that cohere are repellent.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Step two: If a man named Jesus existed, did the biblical character of Jesus actually exist?
THEN we can get to mundane shit like 'did he have a wife'.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)All these...
* 'Was Jesus married?'
* 'Was Jesus gay?'
* 'Was Jesus not white?'
...imply that we know he was real.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)First ask a question or make a statement that assumes a belief is a fact, then ask for an answer to a question that is irrelevant. That's one of the most trite devices in religious arguments.
Sometimes ignosticism or igtheism looks pretty good to me. I think I'm an igtheist.
Reminds me of a question:
I there a God?
The agnostic reply: I don't know, I don't care. Maybe, maybe not
The atheist reply: There is no data that a god exists. Until there is I have to say no.
The igtheist reply: "Is there a god? What do you mean by god? What's a god?"
onager
(9,356 posts)According to the Xians fave historian, Flavius Josephus (who they cherry-pick just as much as they do the Buy-bull).
Josephus wrote about 12 or 13 people named Jesus. Quite a few were notorious criminals, which I always found...interesting. One was an insane religious fanatic. No, not THAT one. Which would at least explain a lot.
All of which makes me think THE Jesus was a composite character, Frankensteined together years after the fact:
"Hey, remember when that guy did the magic trick with the loaves and fishes?"
"Yeah, what was his name again?"
"Er...Jesus?"
"Could be. Then there was that guy who went around putting lepers out of work. Same name, I think..."
Josephus wrote about one really kick-ass Messiah, but it couldn't have been Jesus. This one is not even named, and is only called "the Samaritan Messiah." The people in Samaria had their own god, which was always causing them trouble with their neighbors the Judeans. Who of course, only dealt with the One True God. Theirs.
Anyway, the Samaritan Messiah did what everybody expected Jesus Whoever to do - he led a full-blown, no-shit armed insurgency against Rome. He called together his followers at the Samaritan holy mountain, they marched up the mountain and pledged to remove the heathen Roman invaders etc. etc.
Pontius Pilate was not a bit amused by that. He did what he always did when the locals got restless - sent in the troops and killed a good number of the insurgents, along with their Messiah.
Remember, this is the same Pontius Pilate who, according to Xian history, was a dithering coward who caved in to the demands of a noisy mob and had a Certain Prisoner crucified.
And overall, I suspect that the Biblical Pilate has about as much to do with reality as the Biblical Jesus. Not a whole lot.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)Since the Jesus myth was cobbled out of most of the hero/god myths of the eastern Mediterranean, the stories about the man named Jesus were likely just as cobbled together. The Romans were the ones with the tradition of kicking influential people upstairs to be gods, so up he (or they) went. The Romans were also the people who had the worst opinion of women, so he became a eunuch, utterly sexless.
The bible is what it is, the result of a game of "gossip" that had lasted for at least a hundred years after any of the story had happened. Expecting historical accuracy is futile.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Are you kidding?
With a bod like that?... Oooo baby baby...
Iggo
(47,549 posts)rexcat
(3,622 posts)is pure myth so the point of a mythological person being married is trivial blather or something like that.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)and wasnt a celibate Essene, he probably had a wife. If he was the christ, he probably didnt, because christs are part ectoplasm.
Simple as that.