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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:57 PM Jun 2014

So who will be the judge

as to whether a business is "religious enough" to be exempted from the ACA requirements because it goes against their faith?

Can I be that judge? I think that there should be scrutiny of every corner of their lives before I can believe that they are devout enough. But seriously, how is this going to be judged???? Every scam artist in the country will all of a sudden "be religious".

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So who will be the judge (Original Post) Curmudgeoness Jun 2014 OP
I think it's only dependent on whether the company is closely held DavidDvorkin Jul 2014 #1
It does specify "closely held" corporations, Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #2
Every scam artist in the country will all of a sudden "be religious". AlbertCat Jul 2014 #3
Point well taken. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #4
I can't express how disgusted and creeped out amuse bouche Jul 2014 #6
Creeped out is the proper expression for this. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #8
"Welcome, new employee..." onager Jul 2014 #5
That certainly is a win-win Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #7

DavidDvorkin

(19,464 posts)
1. I think it's only dependent on whether the company is closely held
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:22 AM
Jul 2014

Which is straightforward, not on how religious it is.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. It does specify "closely held" corporations,
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jul 2014

but it also specifies that they are applying the Religious Freedom Reclamation Act of 1993 in the ruling. So it is only about religious beliefs and how strong the "closely held for-profit corporation" owners' beliefs are. But don't expect that to stop a lot of wishy-washy owners from claiming that their beliefs are being infringed upon.


Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., writing for the majority, emphasized the ruling’s limited scope. For starters, he said, the court ruled only that a federal religious-freedom law applied to “closely held” for-profit corporations run on religious principles. Even those corporations, he said, were unlikely to prevail if they objected to complying with other laws on religious grounds.

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The contraceptive coverage requirement was challenged by two corporations whose owners say they try to run their businesses on Christian principles: Hobby Lobby, a chain of craft stores, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, which makes wood cabinets. The requirement has also been challenged in 50 other cases, according to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represented Hobby Lobby.

Justice Alito said the requirement that the two companies provide contraception coverage imposed a substantial burden on their religious liberty. Hobby Lobby, he said, could face annual fines of $475 million if it failed to comply.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/us/hobby-lobby-case-supreme-court-contraception.html?_r=0

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
8. Creeped out is the proper expression for this.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jul 2014

I really do worry about the direction this country is moving in, and I only can hope that they will go too far for even the religious people to tolerate....we have to have their voices and votes.

onager

(9,356 posts)
5. "Welcome, new employee..."
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jul 2014

"Here's your benefits package."

"Where's the medical plan?"

"Page 3."

"But...but...page 3 appears to be nothing but a short prayer."

"Well of course. This company's owners don't believe in any of that evil man-made medical stuff. If you get sick, all the other employees pray for you. Even the company owners join in. And since they're rich, their prayers count double. At least!"

"THAT'S your medical plan?"

"Yes. We call it the Comprehensive Holistic Other Ways Of Knowing Medical Plan."

"But...but...has anyone complained about this?"

"Of course not. If you complain and still get well, obviously you're some kind of malcontent atheist who didn't appreciate our prayers...er, I mean, innovative metaphysical health care plan. And we fire you. If you don't get well, you're beyond complaining about anything. It's a big win-win!"

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
7. That certainly is a win-win
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jul 2014

for the company. I would laugh at your little story, but I worry that it isn't as funny as we might think. I am not sure how much further we can go in this country.

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