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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:24 PM Apr 2015

War of the sexes: Gender theory is the problem, not solution, pope says

Oops, he did it again.

After comparing gender theory to the education of Hitler Youth in February, the pope now says "God entrusted the earth to the covenant between man and woman: its failure drains the world of affection and obscures the heavens of hope," and links it to the "harmful" "collective crisis of faith in God".

War of the sexes: Gender theory is the problem, not solution, pope says

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Eradicating male and female identities does nothing to solve the problem of unfair or disrespectful treatment based on people's gender, Pope Francis said.

"Getting rid of the difference is the problem, not the solution," he said April 15 during his general audience in St. Peter's Square.

...

Modern culture has done much to open up a new and deeper understanding of men and women, "but it also has introduced many doubts and much skepticism," he said.

"For example, I wonder if so-called gender theory may not also be an expression of frustration and resignation that aims to erase sexual differentiation because it no longer knows how to come to terms with it," the pope said.

With gender theory, which argues that male and female characteristics are largely malleable social constructs, he said, "we risk going backward."




The Grand Poobah of Misogyny then went on to say that "we have to do much more in favor of women".





Spare me, Frank.


No, really, just stop - you've done enough already, you fucking hypocrite.


Women would be better off if you and the catholic church ceased to exist.



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War of the sexes: Gender theory is the problem, not solution, pope says (Original Post) beam me up scottie Apr 2015 OP
Oh yeah, the go-to moral authority, on gender and sexuality. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #1
They should write a book or something. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #6
I've read their books.... or tried to. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #7
Can I just say... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #2
I've been trying but beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #4
Seems to be working for me... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #10
Oh we LOVE Tim Minchin here. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #11
Oops... NeoGreen Apr 2015 #20
Oh, good. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #27
Yes, we hear the same lame baloney over in Religion skepticscott Apr 2015 #33
Well my dad used to say if you don't want to know the answer... beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #36
Tim was on @midnight tonight! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #18
no longer knows how to come to terms with it AlbertCat Apr 2015 #3
And look how well that turned out for everyone. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #5
Women would be better off if all religion ceased to exist. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #8
I like them too. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #9
Here's a bunch of goddesses, all congregating in the same place... onager Apr 2015 #12
Very interesting, thanks. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #17
He certainly seems determined to march back to the 1500s Warpy Apr 2015 #13
We're incubators for the church. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #14
It still is. Warpy Apr 2015 #15
Shhhhhh! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #16
YAY, BESTEST POPE EVAH!!!!! trotsky Apr 2015 #19
Obviously. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #23
At this point I'm wondering if he can do anything that would bother his fans. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #24
How about: "The Pope is part of the problem, not solution", rational people say? mr blur Apr 2015 #21
Thank you. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #25
How about "Pope Francis's bigoted Catholicism" Lordquinton Apr 2015 #30
Yes, let's ask a 70+ year old professional single virgin about marriage. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #22
And sex. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #26
Sensualist grump! Don't you know God is love... onager Apr 2015 #41
Holy cow, that is ... what's the word.... beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #42
That's our Frank! Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #28
I know, we're just too impatient. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #29
Damn... haikugal Apr 2015 #31
If he can't go against church doctrine... uriel1972 Apr 2015 #45
Or just another slick politician. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #46
heh... uriel1972 Apr 2015 #47
I think he's both. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #48
I love this group! haikugal Apr 2015 #32
And we love you back! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #34
When everything gets too heavy elsewhere I come here to relax and laugh. haikugal Apr 2015 #35
It's like a family bar in the old neighborhood. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #37
Yeah it does have that feel. haikugal Apr 2015 #38
No, but it looks fantastic! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #39
My IPad made another 'correction' I didn't catch..Siri can be such a bitch! haikugal Apr 2015 #40
That pope nil desperandum Apr 2015 #43
Just make sure you don't make fun of what he's wearing. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #44

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. Oh we LOVE Tim Minchin here.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

He was our 2014 Meme of the Year Award winner!

I'm stuck with dial up so I can't watch videos, but I love that song. Thanks for reminding me of it!

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
33. Yes, we hear the same lame baloney over in Religion
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:27 AM
Apr 2015

"Do you really think that billions of believers all over the world are silly and deluded?"

No nice way to say it, but yeah. If you think the sort-of son of a god was killed and came back to life to "redeem" your "sins" and make sure that you'll go to a heaveny sort of a place for an infinite number of years after you die and rot, and that you'll see your dead grandparents and that beagle you had when you were a kid when you get there....yeah.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. Well my dad used to say if you don't want to know the answer...
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

It's like they think they can shame us by asking, like we're going to lie or apologize for being honest.


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
3. no longer knows how to come to terms with it
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

Before you know it.... people will drop out of regular society and join one that separate the men from the women and insist on celibacy and....


oh wait.


But I will say, anyone who does NOT think millions of years of evolution has maybe something to do with sexual roles in society is kidding themselves. We are not born blank slates, y'know.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. And look how well that turned out for everyone.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:51 PM
Apr 2015

And by everyone I mean straight males.

Evilution has nothing to do with it, silly, we are CREATED in God's image, we CHOOSE to defy his will.

Listen to the good pope, he's trying to edjumacate you.


mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
8. Women would be better off if all religion ceased to exist.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:09 PM
Apr 2015

Although I'm kind of fond of the Roman and Greek goddesses. Some of them kicked ass. Good role models. Probably why those religions did cease to exist.

onager

(9,356 posts)
12. Here's a bunch of goddesses, all congregating in the same place...
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 11:02 PM
Apr 2015

Including ancient Egyptian, Greek and Roman deities together. The catacombs of Kom el-Shoqafa in Alexandria, Egypt, built circa the 2d Century CE. When I lived in Alexandria I loved visiting this place. It descends for 3 stories underground and is wonderfully creepy and weird.

The weirdest thing is the mix of religious symbolism. There's a painting of Anubis preparing a body for the afterlife, placed right above a painting of Persephone going to Hades. Statues of Anubis and the crocodile god Sobek, crammed into the armor and uniforms of Roman soldiers. Totally bonkers.

Local legend says the catacombs were discovered in 1900 by a donkey falling in a hole.

Nearby in Alexandria, a giant pile of rubble stood until 1960, just taking up space. When the archeologists started digging, they found a whole Roman neighborhood - including an amphitheater, public baths and a couple of Roman villas.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Kom_el_Shoqafa

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
13. He certainly seems determined to march back to the 1500s
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 11:39 PM
Apr 2015

First, he obviously has no clue about gender theory.

Second, nothing forces us backward quite like the Vatican, which still considers women to be animated flowerpots into which men sprinkle their seed.

The Grand Poohbah of Misogyny needs to shut the fuck up and listen to women for a few years before he manages to anything in our favor, and I'm talking about non Catholic women who won't fawn over his hat.

And yes, it would be better all over the planet if the Vatican suddenly went "poof."

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. We're incubators for the church.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 11:49 PM
Apr 2015

Remember when saving the life of a fetus was more important than saving the life of its mother?

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
15. It still is.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 11:53 PM
Apr 2015

Get cancer, a clotting disorder, ectopic pregnancy, or other life threatening problem, you're shit out of luck at a Catholic hospital.

They need to shut down L&D units at those hospitals.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Shhhhhh!
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:01 AM
Apr 2015

We're supposed to believe the apologists when they say that they've made progress.

Seriously, I hear you, several local hospitals are now owned by catholic organizations. As if womens' health care wasn't already compromised in the state.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. At this point I'm wondering if he can do anything that would bother his fans.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

Homophobe - check

Misogynist - check

Pedophile enabler - check

Won't help prevent spread of Aids - check



But he loves us.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. Yes, let's ask a 70+ year old professional single virgin about marriage.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:29 AM
Apr 2015

You could not find a less qualified adult if you tried.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
42. Holy cow, that is ... what's the word....
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:58 PM
Apr 2015

Disturbing? Twisted? Hysterical?

All of the above?




Where do you find this stuff?


Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
28. That's our Frank!
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:10 PM
Apr 2015

The progressive Pope with a lot of new ideas is gonna change the Church for the better. Just you see!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. I know, we're just too impatient.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

Demanding that he change the church overnight...

The consummate politician and adoring sycophants: first it was: "Just wait and see, he's gonna change everything!"

And now it's "He can't change anything because they won't let him!" or "He can't go against church doctrine!"

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
31. Damn...
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:19 AM
Apr 2015

Where have I heard that before....

On edit..this sounds like what I hear from Obama apologists. By way of explain explanation.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
45. If he can't go against church doctrine...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:27 AM
Apr 2015

Then he isn't a leader he's a glorified follower.... of a book collated in the 3rd(?) century by a bunch of power hungry maniacs.

What could possibly go wrong

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Or just another slick politician.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:11 PM
Apr 2015

That ex-FoxNews pr expert he hired is damn good, though.

How many on DU think he's a liberal?

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
47. heh...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:06 AM
Apr 2015

giving him the benifit of the doubt that he believes the stuff I suppose. Then again he may be both, a believer and slick.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. I think he's both.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:15 AM
Apr 2015

How could anyone voluntarily remain a virgin for so long unless they believed their god wants it that way?

It's unnatural.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. It's like a family bar in the old neighborhood.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:23 PM
Apr 2015

My dad's family owned one in New York, I remember going there as a little kid - it was awesome.

We've got a good bunch here, wouldn't trade them for the world.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
38. Yeah it does have that feel.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:11 PM
Apr 2015

Have you ever read Spider Robinsons Callahan's Crosstime Saloon? Since fiction of the best sort..has that feel too.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callahan%27s_Crosstime_Saloon

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
40. My IPad made another 'correction' I didn't catch..Siri can be such a bitch!
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 11:11 PM
Apr 2015

Robinson writes warm stories and I loved his characters. After finding the Wiki for you I found he has written many more Crosstime Saloon books.. ...fun for me too!!

I hope you enjoy him as much as I have.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. Just make sure you don't make fun of what he's wearing.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:42 PM
Apr 2015

I read right here on DU that laughing at people's clothes is just like racism and homophobia.


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