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Mon May 11, 2015, 06:38 PM

When the Catholic Church owns your doctor: The insidious new threat to affordable birth control

Cross-posting from the other room, trotsky's thread didn't get much love so I'm reposting here.

When the Catholic Church owns your doctor: The insidious new threat to affordable birth control
Eight of the largest health systems in America are now Catholic-owned. More and more won't prescribe conraception
Patricia Miller



Angela Valavanis had already had one bad encounter with the Catholic health care system when St. Francis Hospital, the hospital in Evanston, Ill., where she delivered her second baby, refused to allow her OB/GYN to tie her tubes because of Catholic restrictions on the procedure. When she went to her doctor’s office for a check-up after the birth and asked about going back on the Pill, since she hadn’t gotten the sterilization she wanted, she got another shock: “My doctor told me that she couldn’t prescribe birth control because she had sold her practice to a Catholic health system,” said Angela. “My mouth dropped open. I was so confused to hear those words coming out of the mouth of an OB/GYN.”

An OB/GYN who can’t prescribe birth control? It’s not some bad joke. It could be a reality if your doctor’s practice is purchased by a Catholic health system that then imposes the Ethical & Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services, a set of rules created by the U.S. Bishop’s Conference that prohibits doctors from doing everything from prescribing the Pill to performing sterilizations or abortions.

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And with Catholic hospital systems accounting for eight of the 10 of the largest nonprofit health systems in the U.S., these hospitals are poised to become major owners of doctors’ offices, which could severely impede access to contraceptives if doctors are forced to follow the Directives. “The more we see these Catholic systems buying up these practices, the more we are going to see what Angela saw,” predicted Lorie Chaiten, director of the Illinois ACLU’s Reproductive Rights Project, who notes that such refusals are legal under Illinois’ Health Care Right of Conscience Act.

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But for some women, changing doctors may not be an option. Health insurers are becoming increasingly restrictive about which hospitals and doctors a patient is allowed to use and may charge a steep penalty for going out of the network of preferred providers. Smaller towns and rural areas may not have a large selection of OB/GYNs. The ACLU is backing a measure in the Illinois Legislature that would require health systems to tell patients beforehand what services they don’t provide and where they can get them. Chaiten also encourages women who have been denied reproductive health services for religious reason to report it to the ACLU, which is tracking this trend.

Ironically, Angela’s experience with her OB/GYN wasn’t her last run-in with Catholic health care. After she was refused a tubal ligation and a prescription for birth control, Angela’s husband decided to get a vasectomy. His doctor, who was also part of the Catholic system, said his practice couldn’t do the procedure or make a referral. “The whole situation is so unbelievable to me. I had no idea these limitations occurred,” she says. “When I tell my friends about it, they say it’s medieval. We have to worry that if they keep buying up all these practices, it will get harder and harder to find someone who can prescribe birth control.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/11/when_the_catholic_church_owns_your_doctor_the_insidious_new_threat_to_affordable_birth_control/

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Reply When the Catholic Church owns your doctor: The insidious new threat to affordable birth control (Original post)
beam me up scottie May 2015 OP
PeaceNikki May 2015 #1
beam me up scottie May 2015 #2
PeaceNikki May 2015 #3
beam me up scottie May 2015 #4
Lordquinton May 2015 #11
beam me up scottie May 2015 #12
Curmudgeoness May 2015 #5
beam me up scottie May 2015 #6
Curmudgeoness May 2015 #7
beam me up scottie May 2015 #8
Curmudgeoness May 2015 #9
beam me up scottie May 2015 #10

Response to beam me up scottie (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:15 PM

1. You shouldn't go to a Catholic hospital and expect you will get decent care.

At all. Especially if you're a women. In fact, try, at all possible costs to avoid one. Tell your loved ones and put in advanced medical directives that you want nothing to do with them. The problem is that many poor have no choice so dogma is given priority over your health.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/catholic-hospitals-bishops-contraception-abortion-health-care

This is such an important issue. The ACLU is suing catholic hospitals for this.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/12/02/248243411/aclu-sues-u-s-bishops-says-catholic-hospital-rules-put-women-at-risk

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/03/25/dont-take-her-to-catholic-hospital/

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/safety-of-women-in-catholic-hospitals-questioned-by-top-bioethicist-94688044-237696791.html

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/2/dangers-of-a-catholichospitaluntold.html

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #1)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:26 PM

2. But you're an anti-catholic bigot if you're vocal about losing your rights.

From my post in the GD thread:

This is part of a coordinated effort to deny women birth control.

The RCC has been busy the last few decades, first with with finding a way to restrict abortion until they can get an amendment passed to undo Roe v Wade:

The Personhood Movement: Internal Battles Go Public: Part 2

In 1975, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops had developed a plan to turn every diocese into an anti-choice political machine and to use its existing infrastructure to set up an office in every congressional district. The bishops’ plan included a four-pronged legislative strategy, which continues to guide the anti-choice movement today:

(a) Passage of a constitutional amendment providing protection for the unborn child to the maximum degree possible.

(b) Passage of federal and state laws and adoption of administrative policies that will restrict the practice of abortion as much as possible.

(c) Continual research into and refinement and precise interpretation of Roe and Doe and subsequent court decisions.

(d) Support for legislation that provides alternatives to abortion.


In other words: fight for an amendment to undo Roe, but at the same time work through the courts and legislatures to make it harder for women to access legal abortion. While Roe would remain the law of the land, women would not be able to actually exercise their rights.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/personhood-movement-internal-battles-go-public-part-2-0


And they were also behind the Hobby Lobby decision:

How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle

The Catholic bishops now sought a broad-based conscience clause that would allow any employer or insurer to refuse to cover contraceptives for any religious or moral objection. This represented a major escalation in the grounds for claiming conscience protections. Traditionally so-called conscience clauses, like the 1973 Church Amendment, protected individuals or health care entities like hospitals only from being compelled to directly perform abortions or sterilizations in violation of their moral or religious beliefs. In 1997, the federal government expanded conscience protections to the payers of abortion-related services when it allowed Medicaid and Medicare managed-care plans to refuse to pay providers for abortion counseling or referral services. Now the bishops were attempting to extend conscience protection to any payer who had a “moral” objection to contraception. Such a measure would make contraceptive coverage mandates useless, because any employer or insurer could opt out. And it would once again leave women’s reproductive health care at the mercy of individual employers and insurers and stigmatize contraceptives, like abortion, as a segregated health service that could be carved out of the continuum of women’s health needs.

The bishops failed to get a broader conscience clause in the bill mandating coverage of contraceptives for federal employees, but they did manage to get an exemption for the five religiously affiliated plans in the system. Having set the precedent that religious providers would be treated differently concerning the provision of reproductive health care, even in the matter of noncontroversial services such as contraception, the bishops launched a major new effort to create broad conscience exemptions.

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There was more at stake that just the bishops’ authority over services provided by Catholic institutions. Domestic and international social service agencies affiliated with the church, like Catholic Charities USA and Catholic Relief Services, receive hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts each year to provide social services to the poor, run adoption agencies, and manage international development projects. Catholic Charities affiliates received nearly $3 billion in government funding in 2010, accounting for more than 60 percent of their revenue. Religiously affiliated hospitals in the United States, of which 70 percent are Catholic, receive some $40 billion in government funding each year through Medicare and Medicaid and other government programs.

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/how_the_catholic_church_masterminded_the_supreme_courts_hobby_lobby_debacle/


Of course people are too busy reccing the 'Pope comes out against war!1!! He's the bestest pope evah!' thread to pay attention to the fact we're losing the battle for our human rights.




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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #2)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:32 PM

3. #notallcatholics

That's what I hear.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:38 PM

4. Comparing the church to the Koch Brothers was a nice touch.

But for the wrong reason: we shouldn't criticize the church because ... Koch bros wanna be kings !

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #4)

Tue May 12, 2015, 04:55 AM

11. It's funny because Cardinals are princes of the church

the whole catholic power structure is an elective monarchy, they choose their king from their own ranks. Nothing will ever change because the same group of "celibate" old men are always in control, and they only let in more of their own kind.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #11)

Tue May 12, 2015, 04:46 PM

12. ^^^THIS^^^

"Nothing will ever change because the same group of "celibate" old men are always in control"

US nuns were recently smacked down by the monarchy after we were told that The Vatican ignores liberal US nuns "at their own peril!".




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Response to beam me up scottie (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:48 PM

5. That is an interesting strategy to impose your beliefs on others....

buy up all the health care. This is beyond "medieval".

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #5)

Mon May 11, 2015, 07:52 PM

6. It's terrifying.

That they have the means and the influence to do this.

And infuriating when people are like "meh".

I guess we can just go to the drug store to buy rubbers like everyone else.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #6)

Mon May 11, 2015, 08:21 PM

7. It is terrifying.

And it seems to me that just the other day, the discussion was about how religions are establishing hospitals, but where are the atheist hospitals. As if atheists are another organized religion. But we might have to start thinking this way.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #7)

Mon May 11, 2015, 08:27 PM

8. If we started buying hospitals they'd piss all over themselves.

These are the same yahoos who think being pro-abortion means we coerce women to kill their bebbies.

In the context of that ridiculous thread, non-religiously affiliated hospitals are atheist hospitals.

Oy. Teh stoopid, it burns.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Mon May 11, 2015, 08:29 PM

9. I would like to see that....

them pissing all over themselves.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #9)

Mon May 11, 2015, 08:32 PM

10. I might try to make that happen.

If I ever met them in person.

I take my rights very seriously.

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