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Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:20 AM

The inherent cruelty of nature

"I have told this to few people, gentlemen, and I suspect never will again, but one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I'm sure you will agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split, and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that's when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

- Terry Pratchett in "Unseen Academical"





I didn't know quite where to post this but knew folks who occasionally read here might also appreciate my aversion to both deities and predation, no matter the beast - human or otherwise.
Here, Sir Terence Pratchett decries them both.



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Cartoonist Oct 2019 #1
Auggie Oct 2019 #3
safeinOhio Oct 2019 #2
Duppers Oct 2019 #4
DavidDvorkin Oct 2019 #5
mountain grammy Oct 2019 #6
Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #7
Duppers Oct 2019 #8
Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #9
Bayard Oct 2019 #10
Duppers Jan 2020 #11
uriel1972 Jan 2020 #12

Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:28 AM

1. That's not evil

That's life. That's nature. He needs to accept that in a positive manner rather than condemn all life as evil. Fuck that shit.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:04 AM

3. Yeah, except humans dine on other humans too

Not literally, of course, although it has happened in our history.

I'm referring to humans who steal, enslave, rape, torment, condemn, or murder for pleasure and profit.

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:02 AM

2. Language needs polar opposites to define words.

There would be no good without evil, no up or down, no left or right. with out one there would be no need for the other. They define each other like heads and tails of a coin toss. Simple concept, but not always easy to comprehend.

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:13 AM

4. A reminder of a definition of "evil"

Evil: Something that brings harm or distress.

I see that some posters lack the very root of kindness: the ability to empathize with all.


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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:49 AM

5. This reminds me of my own response to a blog post

Which said that nature is so beautiful that the poster didn't see how anyone could be an atheist. Nature's beauty is the best argument for the existence of God. This essay was my response:

http://dvorkin.com/essays/godmustexist.php

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:44 PM

6. Nature at it's best, the ever fragile food chain

that we are destroying. As we search for a moral superior, our intelligence puts that on us.

So sad. I believe evolution went one step too far and won't get farther enough in time to fix it..

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:27 PM

7. Mother and children dining upon mother and children

Yup, if I were god I could have designed a much better world where death was not a requirement for dinner.

If you ask me, this is just a really poorly designed world and god should be blamed and Not worshipped.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:26 PM

8. You understand. If there were a "god."

Thank you.

If there were a god, he f'd up.


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Response to Duppers (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 5, 2019, 10:04 PM

9. True.

This world functions as if there is no god. There is no substantial and reliable evidence of a god. I personally do not believe in a god.

But those who believe in a god, should not worship him for his poor design capabilities and little, to no, ingenuity.

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

10. Same as it ever was....

While we may be horrified at what some animals do, they're just delighted to have found a meal, protect their young, their territory.

Humans are the only creatures that can be evil.....killing for "sport". Most of the time, they aren't going to eat what they kill. They just want bragging rights. I have no problem with hunters who are actually eating what they kill.

Does, "God", play a role in any of this? The same god that commanded you kill your first born son, or to stone unfaithful women? I think the Bible was written by men who wanted an excuse for the evil they committed.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 1, 2020, 06:33 AM

11. +100

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Response to Duppers (Original post)

Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:08 PM

12. nature is not cruel.. nature is not kind...

It simply is.

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