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Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:09 PM Feb 2012

Found this book in the science section of a local bookstore...

Look what they're shelving under science these days:



From the title I assumed this might an amusing entry along the lines of 'lies your history teacher told you', but it's nothing but right-wing funded pseudoscience:

to wit: Global warming is nonsense, why there's more evidence for intelligent design than for Darwinism, Aids in Africa was never a problem, there are no environmental problems, science and religion are not in conflict, stem cell research is worthless.

Sickening. I took it upon myself to reshelve it under Fiction. The first time in my life I've done that.

Sorry, I know this is nothing new. Just venting.
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Found this book in the science section of a local bookstore... (Original Post) Ron Obvious Feb 2012 OP
Perhaps it's time to stop shopping at a bookstore that carries... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #1
To right-wingers, of course, this *is* amusing. eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #2
I hadn't heard of them before... Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #10
The History volume insists the Confederacy was right ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #12
I always hide those or move them to fiction PVnRT Feb 2012 #3
I hate myself for having done that Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #6
How is it censorship? PVnRT Feb 2012 #13
It's still authoritarian Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #14
Love yourself. It's healthy, and it's right. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #16
Did you ask the bookstore owner about this? HuckleB Feb 2012 #4
No. Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #7
Well, it's possible the owner didn't know what was in the book. HuckleB Feb 2012 #8
You're right! Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #11
What HuckleB said. progressoid Feb 2012 #15
That author prefers intelligent design over evolution and is not too sure of special relativity.... xocet Feb 2012 #5
Thanks Ron Obvious Feb 2012 #9
Well, I've seen books about Indigo Children in the developmental psychology sections of bookstores LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #17
 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
1. Perhaps it's time to stop shopping at a bookstore that carries...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:58 PM
Feb 2012

a book like that on their science bookshelves.

Someone ordered that book, and someone stocked it on the shelves.

The question is who.

eppur_se_muova

(36,260 posts)
2. To right-wingers, of course, this *is* amusing.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:44 PM
Feb 2012

Right-wing "humor" is even more brain-dead than right-wing "science".

(NOTE: Politically Incorrect Guide = PIG, as indicated by the little oinker on the cover. Yes, they're proud to be members of the Grand Order of Pigs.)

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
10. I hadn't heard of them before...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:01 PM
Feb 2012

At Amazon, I noticed the other PIG guides to history, Islam, etc. At least I'll know to avoid them now -- it was like reading Conservapedia.

eppur_se_muova

(36,260 posts)
12. The History volume insists the Confederacy was right ...
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 03:04 AM
Feb 2012

... and the US should have conquered Mexico and Central America. This is pretty much the same line that the Confederates took. Many of the American adventurers/mercenaries who tried to raise armies in Latin American were former Confederates.

All in all, it's a pretty revolting POV.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
6. I hate myself for having done that
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:50 PM
Feb 2012

I'm normally not one for censorship like that. I just got too annoyed skimming that book.

PVnRT

(13,178 posts)
13. How is it censorship?
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:19 AM
Feb 2012

They've already published it. I'm just hiding it. It's not like I'm burning them.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
14. It's still authoritarian
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:19 PM
Feb 2012

I'd say it's still an authoritarian thing to do, to decide that others shouldn't be reading this. It's easier to see when religious people hide the books they don't think anyone ought to be reading, but it's really no better when we do it.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
7. No.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:53 PM
Feb 2012

No, I probably should have. I think I suspected that the answer would have been along the lines of "we don't tell our customers what to think... blah, blah, free choice, etc."

In fairness, this was a used book store and I suppose it would be difficult to exercise editorial control over the books you take in.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. Well, it's possible the owner didn't know what was in the book.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:55 PM
Feb 2012

Still, one might think that a bookstore owner might be more open too maintaining credibility than your Barnes & Noble manager.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
11. You're right!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:03 PM
Feb 2012

Next time I'm there, I'll raise the issue if they still have the book on their shelves!

progressoid

(49,983 posts)
15. What HuckleB said.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:05 AM
Feb 2012

I once found copies of The Brick Testament in the Kids' religion section of a Barnes and Noble.

They didn't know it wasn't a serious bible book.




I probably should have purchased it since they are apparently getting scarce.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/shop/index.html

xocet

(3,871 posts)
5. That author prefers intelligent design over evolution and is not too sure of special relativity....
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:56 PM
Feb 2012

He deserves to be thoroughly debunked, but I don't have time to do it today. It gets tiresome reading through vacuous RW fantasy novels to see if they even contact reality at any point or have any valid content within them. To quote from Fight Club:

(Marla Singer) "Oh, here comes an avalanche of bullshit."

December 01, 2005, 8:29 a.m.
Don’t Fear the Designer
Competing philosophies and beliefs.

By Tom Bethell

...

Charles Krauthammer tells us that Isaac Newton was religious and if he saw no conflict between science and religion, why can't we take our thin gruel of evolutionary science like good children and be satisfied, without dragging a Designer into the picture?

Because it isn't real science, Charles. Newton, in fact, thought that the "most beautiful system" of sun, planets, and comets could "only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being." But the laws of physics that govern these motions are simplicity itself compared with the immense complexity of the biological machinery that governs the development, proliferation, growth, and aging of millions of reproductive species. These mechanisms have yet to be discovered or described. To believe that the feeble tautology of natural selection — laissez-faire political economy from the 1830s imported into biology — constitutes a sufficient explanation of the marvels of nature is to display a credulity that makes our fundamentalists seem sagacious by comparison.

George Will has made one accurate criticism of the idea he so dislikes: "The problem with intelligent design is not that it is false but that it is not falsifiable. Not being susceptible to contradicting evidence, it is not a testable hypothesis." This is true; but he should have added that Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection is not falsifiable either. Darwin's claim to fame was his discovery of a mechanism of evolution; he accepted "survival of the fittest" as a good summary of his natural-selection theory. But which ones are the fittest? The ones that survive. There is no criterion of fitness that is independent of survival. Whatever happens, it is the "fittest" that survive — by definition. This, just like intelligent design, is not a testable hypothesis. As the eminent philosopher of science Karl Popper said, after discussing this problem that natural selection cannot escape: "There is hardly any possibility of testing a theory as feeble as this." Popper was the first to propose falsification as the line of demarcation between theories that are scientific and those that are not; both intelligent design and natural selection fall by this standard.

The underlying problem, rarely discussed, is that the conclusions of evolutionism are based not on science, but on a philosophy: the philosophy of materialism, or naturalism. Living creatures, including human beings, are here on Earth, and we got here somehow. If atoms and molecules in motion are all that exist, then their random interactions must account for everything that exists, including us. That is the true underpinning of Darwinism. What needs to be examined in detail is not so much the religion behind intelligent design as the philosophy behind evolution.

...

http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/bethell200512010829.asp


Can We Do Without Relativity?
By Tom Bethell from the September 2009 issue

The author introduces his new book, Questioning Einstein: Is Relativity Necessary?


SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT MY NEW BOOK -- Questioning Einstein: Is Relativity Necessary? -- is unlikely to be reviewed. So I shall say something about it here. I have been working on it on and off for years, and it is based on the original work of a good friend of mine, Petr Beckmann. A Czech immigrant who taught electrical engineering at the University of Colorado, he wrote a brilliant book called Einstein Plus Two. But it was also difficult -- written in the language of mathematical physics. I interviewed him at length, and told him I would write a simpler version. Then, too soon, he died (in 1993). I was able to finish the book with the help of Howard Hayden, who taught physics at the University of Connecticut and who became convinced that Beckmann's criticisms of relativity were right.

Most people know little about relativity theory, but we recognize that it was highly influential and that Einstein's theory somehow rewrote the laws of physics. It is divided into two parts, the special theory (1905) and the more difficult general theory (1916). The generally accepted view is that the special theory has been proven over and over again, while the general theory perhaps can be questioned and retested. In Beckmann's theory, this is more or less reversed. The general theory gives the right answers but by a complicated and roundabout route. Meanwhile a simpler path lay at hand. But the special theory may have to be discarded because the logical consequences of its postulates do not correspond to experimental results.

Here's one way of looking at the subject. We've all heard of the equation E = mc2, saying that the energy of a body is proportional to its mass. It was derived by Einstein using relativity theory. Less well known is that it was derived by him again later, without relativity. He called the later version his "elementary derivation." Relativity wasn't necessary to derive the most famous equation in physics.

Beckmann extends that way of looking at the issue across the board. The physical facts that seem to demand relativity can be explained by classical physics. That is the argument of my book. It is written without math and in plain English; only a few technical terms need to be explained.

...

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/17/can-we-do-without-relativity/print
 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
9. Thanks
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:58 PM
Feb 2012

Thanks for the additional information. I always love it when they bring up Newton. First of all, because they can't seem to find a famous religious scientist more recent than 350 years ago, and second, because Newton believed in a whole lot of other rubbish such as Alchemy and Astrology that I'm sure they would rather not be associated with.

Science has moved on a bit since then.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
17. Well, I've seen books about Indigo Children in the developmental psychology sections of bookstores
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

So I'm not surprised.

This version seems particularly nasty, though.

Good for you, putting into the Fiction section.

Should be called 'The Politically, Scientifically, Factually, Morally and Globally Incorrect Guide to Bad Science Fiction'.

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