Hillary has specific healthcare proposals. Bernie's site is silent on the issue. How come?

[pnwmom]

If he's proposing single payer, how come he doesn't say anything about healthcare on his website? He lists his stands on many other issues.

Or is he simply satisfied with the ACA the way it is? Why doesn't he address this on his website, so people can know where he stands?


www.berniesanders.com on HEALTH:

* * *

www.hillaryclinton.com on HEALTH:

Hillary led the fight to expand access to quality, affordable health care for decades—and she’s not going to stop now. Throughout her career, Hillary led the fight to expand health care access for every American:

In 1979, Hillary chaired the Arkansas Rural Health Advisory Committee, which focused on expanding health care access to isolated rural areas of the state.

As first lady, she refused to give up when Congress defeated health care reform. Instead, she worked with Republicans and Democrats to help create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which now provides health coverage to more than 8 million children. Senator Ted Kennedy said that if not for Hillary, the Children’s Health Insurance Program wouldn’t be in existence today.

As senator, she introduced legislation to reduce the cost of health insurance expenses.
Following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary pushed the Bush administration for $20 billion for recovery and to address health care needs of first responders who suffered lasting health effects from their time at Ground Zero.

Going forward, Hillary will build on these efforts and fight to ensure that the savings from these reforms benefits families—not just insurance companies, drug companies, and large corporations.
Defend the Affordable Care Act. Hillary will continue to defend the Affordable Care Act (ACA) against Republican efforts to repeal it. She'll build on it to expand affordable coverage, slow the growth of overall health care costs (including prescription drugs), and make it possible for providers to deliver the very best care to patients.

Lower out-of-pocket costs like copays and deductibles. The average deductible for employer-sponsored health plans rose from $1,240 in 2002 to about $2,500 in 2013. American families are being squeezed by rising out-of-pocket health care costs. Hillary believes that workers should share in slower growth of national health care spending through lower costs.

Reduce the cost of prescription drugs. Prescription drug spending accelerated from 2.5 percent in 2013 to 12.6 percent in 2014. It’s no wonder that almost three-quarters of Americans believe prescription drug costs are unreasonable. Hillary believes we need to demand lower drug costs for hardworking families and seniors.

Transform our health care system to reward value and quality. Hillary is committed to building on delivery system reforms in the Affordable Care Act that improve value and quality care for Americans.

Hillary will also work to expand access to rural Americans, who often have difficulty finding quality, affordable health care. She will explore cost-effective ways to broaden the scope of health care providers eligible for telehealth reimbursement under Medicare and other programs, including federally qualified health centers and rural health clinics. She will also call for states to support efforts to streamline licensing for telemedicine and examine ways to expand the types of services that qualify for reimbursement.

Hillary is continuing a lifelong fight to ensure women have access to reproductive health care. As senator, she championed access to emergency contraception and voted in favor of strengthening a woman’s right to make her own health decisions. As president, she will continue defending Planned Parenthood, which provides critical health services including breast exams and cancer screenings to 2.7 million women a year.

[leftofcool]

1. No health care plan, no tax plan, no plans at all

Oh wait, isn't he relying on the millennial revolution?

[retrowire]

50. Here you go, as a volunteer, I'm obligated to help you out!

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

feelthebern.org is a fully supported website by the Bernie campaign and we volunteers are authorized to use it as a source.

JUST feelthebern.org and berniesanders.com

But the OP is right, his main page is lacking. But that's not because he doesn't have any plans.

So feel free to read up!

There IS this on the berniesanders.com page though... https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/

[Motown_Johnny]

61. He introduced the bill in 2013, plus his tax plan was proposed in July

Don't any Clinton supporters bother learning anything before slinging mud? It really seems as if none of you do. I suppose that is understandable, if you bothered educating yourself you would be Sanders supporters.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/sanders-details-tax-plan-declines-secrecy-offer

^snip^


Sanders Details Tax Plan, Declines Secrecy Offer

Friday, July 26, 2013

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday laid out tax reform proposals in letters to Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch. He declined an offer by the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee to keep his proposals secret. The leaders of the tax-writing committee solicited suggestions as part of a push to simplify the tax code. They also pledged to keep senators’ suggestions secret for 50 years at the National Archives. Sanders said he has nothing to hide. “Given the fact that my suggestions represent the interests of the middle class of this country and not powerful corporate special interests, I have no problem with making them public.” To read Sanders’ letters, click here and here and here.

“Everyone understands that our current tax code is too complex and must be simplified, but at a time when the American population is aging and investments in our crumbling infrastructure are desperately needed, we must not provide more tax breaks to profitable corporations and wealthiest Americans who already are doing phenomenally well and in some cases pay nothing in federal income taxes,” Sanders wrote to Baucus and Hatch.

Tax Reform Secrets

Sanders is a member of the Senate Budget Committee and helped draft a resolution that the full Senate passed in March calling for $975 billion in new revenue over the next decade by closing tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy and large corporations. “That was a good start. I would go further,” Sanders wrote in letters that spelled out specific proposals to:

Stop profitable Wall Street banks and corporations from sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Closing that tax loophole would reduce the deficit and create jobs that millions of Americans need.
Establish a Wall Street speculation fee to ensure that large financial institutions pay their fair share in taxes. A fee of 0.03 percent on the sale of credit default swaps, derivatives, options, futures, and large amounts of stock would reduce gambling on Wall Street, encourage the financial sector to invest in the productive economy, and reduce the deficit by $352 billion over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

End tax breaks and subsidies for oil, gas and coal companies to reduce the deficit by more than $113 billion over the next 10 years. The five largest oil companies in the United States have made more than $1 trillion in profits over the past decade. Exxon Mobil is now the most profitable corporation in the world. Large, profitable fossil fuel companies do not need a tax break.

Tax carbon and methane emissions that cause global warming. A bill by Sanders and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), the Senate environment committee chairman, would apply fee at coal mines, oil refineries, national gas processing plants and other sites. Imported fuels would be subject to equivalent carbon fees. Some of the revenue would be returned to consumers and some would pay for investments in energy efficiency, sustainable energy, worker training and deficit reduction.
Tax capital gains and dividends of the wealthiest 2 percent at the same rate as ordinary income to yield about $500 billion over the next decade. Today, the wealthy obtain most of their income from capital gains and dividends taxed at a much lower rate than work. The top marginal income tax for working is 39.6 percent, but the top tax rate on corporate dividends and capital gains is only 20 percent. That is not fair.

Enacting all of these proposals would raise more than $1.8 trillion in new revenue over the next decade. “I look forward to working with you to reform the tax code in a way that protects the middle class, working families, and the most vulnerable while making sure that the wealthiest Americans and most profitable corporations pay their fair share,” Sanders wrote to Baucus and Hatch.




http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782

^snip^

Bernie Sanders introduces The American Health Security Act

December 11, 2013 by Healthcare-NOW!

Introduced in the Senate, December 9, 2013

Download S. 1782, The American Health Security Act of 2013 (189 pages).

Summary of S. 1782, The American Health Security Act of 2013
The American Health Security Act of 2013 (S. 1782) provides every American with affordable and comprehensive health care services through the establishment of a national American Health Security Program (the Program) that requires each participating state to set up and administer a state single payer health program. The Program provides universal health care coverage for the comprehensive services required under S. 1782 and incorporates Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and TRICARE (the Department of Defense health care program), but maintains health care programs under the Veterans Affairs Administration. Private health insurance sold by for-profit companies could only exist to provide supplemental coverage.
The cornerstones of the Program will be fixed, annual, and global budgets, public accountability, measures of quality based on outcomes data designed by providers and patients, a national data-collection system with uniform reporting by all providers, and a progressive financing system. It will provide universal coverage, benefits emphasizing primary and preventive care, and free choice of providers. Inpatient services, long term care, a broad range of services for mental illness and substance abuse, and care coordination services will also be covered.

A seven-member national board (the Board) appointed by the President will establish a national health budget specifying the total federal and state expenditures to be made for covered health care services. The Board will work together with similar boards in each of the fifty states and the District of Columbia to administer the Program.
A Quality Council will develop and disseminate practice guidelines based on outcomes research and will profile health care professionals’ patterns of practice to identify outliers. It will also develop standards of quality, performance measures, and medical review criteria and develop minimum competence criteria. A new Office of Primary Care and Prevention Research will be created within the Office of the Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

The Program is designed to provide patient-centered care supported through adequate reimbursement for professionals, a wealth of evidence-based information, peer support, and financial incentives for better patient outcomes. The Program seeks to ensure medical decisions are made by patients and their health care providers.
The Program amends the tax code to create the American Health Security Trust Fund and appropriates to the Fund specified tax revenues, current health program receipts, and tax credits and subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. While the final structure of the financing component is still under consideration and is subject to change, the tax revenues in the draft include a new health care income tax, an employer payroll tax, a surcharge on high income individuals, and a tax on securities transactions.

The federal government would collect and distribute all funds to the states for the operation of the state programs to pay for the covered services. Budget increases would be limited to the rate of growth of the gross domestic product. Each state’s budget for administrative expenses would be capped at three percent.

Each state would have the choice to administer its own program or have the federal Board administer it. The state program could negotiate with providers and consult with its advisory boards to allocate funds. The state program could also contract with private companies to provide administrative functions, as Medicare currently does through its administrative regions. State programs could negotiate with providers to pay outpatient facilities and individual practitioners on a capitated, salaried, or other prospective basis or on a fee-for service basis according to a rate schedule. Rates would be designed to incentivize primary and preventive care while maintaining a global budget, bringing provider, patients, and all stakeholders to the table to best determine value and reimbursement.

Finally, the Program also relieves businesses from the heavy administrative burdens of providing health care coverage, puts all businesses on an even playing field in terms of healthcare coverage, and increases the competitiveness of American companies in the global marketplace. Every other industrialized nation has been able to use the power of a public authority to provide universal health care. The American Health Security Act of 2013 seeks to do just that for all Americans and their businesses.


Here is a link to the bill itself, S.1782:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1782/text




Now, where is the legislation Hillary introduced while in Congress to address these issues?

[beam me up scottie]

63. I posted that link already but the op keeps ignoring it.

Truly bizarre.

[Motown_Johnny]

64. I put it up near the top of the thread, better exposure.

I also posted directly to the OP and asked to read post #61.


I don't expect a response, but if the Clinton supporters do read it they should feel foolish and that should count for something.

[beam me up scottie]

65. Good idea.

I wonder how long the op will keep this up.

Bernie's been "silent" on this issue?

[Punkingal]

73. Forever....

That's SOP with that one.

[ucrdem]

2. I couldn't get past the pocket-picker.

[pnwmom]

4. Look on the right hand side of the main page, in the white panel,

where it says "continue to the site." You should be able to go there without donating or giving your email.

[Bjornsdotter]

3. Bernie on health issues

From BernieSanders.com....

Access to health care is a human right, and that includes access to safe and affordable prescription drugs. It is time to enact prescription drug policies that work for everyone, not just the CEOs of the pharmaceutical industry.
The Problem

Americans pay, by far, the highest prices for prescription drugs in the entire world. When we talk about health care, we are talking about the need of the American people to be able to afford the medicine their health care providers prescribe. A life-saving drug does no good if the people who need it cannot afford that drug.

Yet, last year, nearly one in five Americans between the ages of 19 and 64 – 35 million people – did not get their prescriptions filled because they did not have enough money. In the wealthiest country in the history of the world, Americans should not have to live in fear that they will go bankrupt or die because they cannot afford to take the medication they need.

In any given month, more than half of all American adults take at least one prescription drug. There is no question that medicines help millions of people live healthier and longer lives, and can also prevent more expensive illnesses and treatments. However, it is unacceptable that the United States now spends more than $370 billion on prescription drugs and spending is rising faster than at any point in the last decade.

Instead of listening to the demands of the pharmaceutical industry and their 1,400 lobbyists, it is time that Congress started listening to the American people, who overwhelmingly believe that the cost of medication is too expensive. More than 70 percent of Americans believe drug costs are unreasonable and that drug companies are putting profits before people.
The Sanders Plan To Lower Prescription Drug Prices

Americans filled 4.3 billion prescriptions last year. The Sanders plan includes six policies to get better deals for the American people. Sanders’ plan will:
1. Negotiate A Better Deal

Require Medicare to use its bargaining power to negotiate with the prescription drug companies for better prices – a practice that is currently banned by law.
Last year there were more than 37 million Medicare beneficiaries enrolled in private Part D plans. 90 percent of seniors take at least one prescription. Many seniors – almost two-thirds – take three or more prescription drugs.
Not only would negotiation substantially reduce prices seniors and people with disabilities pay for drugs, it could save Medicare between $230 billion to $541 billion dollars over the next decade.
83 percent of Americans support allowing the federal government to negotiate with drug companies for better prices.

2. Import Prescriptions from Canada

Allow individuals, pharmacists, and wholesalers to import prescription drugs from licensed Canadian pharmacies.
The United States spends more than $1,000 per person per year on prescription drugs – that’s nearly 40 percent more than Canada, the next highest spender.
In 1999, Sanders became the first Member of Congress to take a busload of Americans across the border into Canada to purchase prescription drugs. Americans should not have to pay higher prices for the exact same drugs than our Canadian neighbors simply because Congress is bought and paid for by the powerful pharmaceutical industry.
72 percent of Americans support this policy of allowing Americans to easily import safe and affordable prescription drugs from Canada.
Prohibit the United States from agreeing to provisions in international trade deals that would raise drug prices in the United States or extend the monopoly period when a brand name drug company has no generic competition.
Suspend the government’s authority to destroy packages of imported drugs at the border until new legislation is passed ensuring that Americans can import safe and affordable drugs from Canada.

3. Restore Discounts for Low-Income Seniors

Close the Medicare Part D donut hole for brand and generic drugs by 2017, three years earlier than under current law.
The private Medicare Part D benefit contains a “donut hole.” It’s a coverage gap, wherein seniors and people with disabilities must pay for their medications even while they are paying monthly premiums. Under current law, this gap in coverage will close by 2020. Sanders’ plan closes the gap by 2017.
Require generic drug companies to pay an additional rebate to Medicaid if their drug prices rise faster than inflation.
Brand name drug makers have to pay a rebate to Medicaid if their drug prices rise faster than inflation. This provision ensures generic drug companies are subject to the same rules. Nearly 10 percent of generic drugs more than doubled in price last year. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, this policy will save the federal government $1 billion over 10 years.
Restore Medicare prescription drug discounts for low-income seniors and people with disabilities.
Pharmaceutical companies got a huge victory ten years ago, when prescription drug coverage for low-income seniors and people with disabilities was moved from Medicaid to Medicare. Because Medicaid gets a much better price for prescription drugs than private Medicare Part D plans, this policy change meant that drug companies would gain even larger profits on the backs of low-income seniors at the taxpayers’ expense.
The Sanders plan will restore these rebates for low-income seniors, saving $103 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

4. Prohibit Deals that Keep Generic Drugs Off the Market

Prohibit anti-competitive deals – “pay-for-delay” deals – between brand and generic drug makers.
Brand name drug companies sometimes try to delay their competition by paying generic drug makers to stay off the market. When these deals occur, drug prices stay high, costing patients and taxpayers more money.
The Sanders plan prohibits these pay-for-delay deals. According to the Federal Trade Commission, these anticompetitive deals cost consumers and taxpayers at least $3.5 billion in higher drug costs every year.

5. Enact Stronger Penalties for Fraud

Terminate exclusivity—a government-awarded monopoly period—from a drug company convicted of fraud.
The Sanders plan holds the pharmaceutical industry accountable when they defraud the American people. Today, nearly every major pharmaceutical company has been convicted of either civil or criminal fraud for violations including off-label promotion, kickbacks, anti-monopoly practices, and Medicare fraud.
Even though the Justice Department has won suits requiring companies to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines, the prescription drug companies simply treat those fines as the cost of doing business.

6. Require Pricing and Cost Transparency

Require drug companies to publicly report information that affects drug pricing.
Companies routinely distort the true cost of drug research and development to justify skyrocketing prescription drug prices. Under the Sanders plan, drug makers would be required to report certain price information to the federal government and the public on their products, including the total expenditures on research and development and clinical trials, as well as the portion of their drug development expenses offset by tax credits or paid for by federal grants.
Companies would also be required to report not only the price information charged to federal payers, such as Medicare, but would also have to submit price, profit, and sales information for other countries in which the drug is sold.
86 percent of Americans, including 82 percent of Republicans, think drug companies should be required to release information to the public on how they set their prices.

This is not a partisan issue. Most Americans – Republicans, Democrats, and independents – want Congress to do something about drug prices. Tens of thousands of Americans now spend more than $100,000 a year on prescription medications. Drug costs are out of control because that’s the way pharmaceutical companies want it. Other countries have national health insurance plans that negotiate better prices for all of their residents. In this country, however, drug lobbyists have been able to block all of these common-sense solutions that we must work to pass into law. That is unacceptable and that has got to change.
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Make healthcare a right.

As president, Sen. Sanders would fight for a Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system to make healthcare a right for all Americans. If the United States joined every major country on earth and enacted a universal healthcare program, women would benefit the most. Today, women have much higher healthcare expenses than men and pay a greater portion of their healthcare costs out of their own pockets. Women make up two-thirds of the low-wage workforce and only about 23 percent of low-wage jobs provide health insurance. It is time for a Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system.

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Expand and protect the reproductive rights of women.

Sen. Sanders has consistently fought against Republican attacks on the fundamental rights of women to control their own bodies. As president, Sen. Sanders would expand, not cut, funding for Planned Parenthood, the Title X family planning program, and other initiatives that protect women’s health, access to contraception, and the availability of a safe and legal abortion.

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Provide at least 12 weeks of paid family leave, 2 weeks of paid vacation, and one week of paid sick days to American workers.

As president, Sen. Sanders would end the international embarrassment of the United States being the only major country on earth that does not guarantee paid leave to workers. The Republicans talk a lot about “family values.” Well, it is not a family value to force the mother of a new born baby to go back to work a few days after she gives birth, because she doesn’t have the money to stay home and bond with her baby. That is not a family value. That is an insult to everything that we know a family is about. Sen. Sanders would require employers to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. At a time when over 65 percent of women work more than 40 hours a week, we must require employers to provide at least two weeks of paid vacation. And, we must require employers to provide at least one week of paid sick leave so that women can stay home to take care of a sick child, among other things.

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Guaranteeing healthcare as a right of citizenship by enacting a Medicare for all single-payer healthcare system. It’s time for the U.S. to join every major industrialized country on earth and provide universal healthcare to all.

Requiring employers to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave; two weeks of paid vacation; and 7 days of paid sick days. Real family values are about making sure that parents have the time they need to bond with their babies and take care of their children and relatives when they get ill.

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[pnwmom]

6. I looked all over the site for info on health issues. It wasn't listed under issues.

Where did you find this?

[Bjornsdotter]

11. You need to go into the issues

....and read them.

The first grouping was under "Fighting to Lower Prescription Drug Prices". The rest came from "fighting for Women's Rights" and "Income and Wealth Inequality".

[pnwmom]

21. Where does he say anything on BernieSanders.com about the ACA or single payer

or healthcare issues in general?

[pnwmom]

36. Or maybe he could fix his site and make it easier for people to see his healthcare proposals,

without having to sift through all the other issues.

[Bjornsdotter]

70. I had no problem finding it n/t

[pnwmom]

72. You had to sift through several different pages to find the paragraphs you put together.

And it was mostly about prescription drugs.

Do you really think that less political people, who were curious about Bernie but not yet feeling the bern, would go to that effort?

Why wouldn't Bernie want that info to be as easily accessible as his positions on other issues?

Is he hiding it because he fears it would be unpopular?

[Bjornsdotter]

74. Again....

I had no trouble finding it.

Some people might use google to find the info. I tried it and I got 4,350,000 hits, I didn't even do a Boolean search.

The point was you didn't see it on the list and thought it wasn't there. I showed you it was there and how to find it. I have faith that if someone were interested they would look.

[pnwmom]

77. It isn't on the list. And Bernie needs to expand his support way beyond techies

and feel-the-bernies and DUers and other political-types to include even the occasional voter who just wants to go to Bernie's official website and expects to find a discussion of health issues under the category "issues."

But hey, it's fine with me if Bernie leaves his website like that -- unless he gets to the general, and by then I hope he fixes it.

[pangaia]

80. Then you would complain that the font was too difficult to read.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Thank you.

Hillary and her surrogates have been attacking his health care plan for months, I'm surprised the op wasn't aware of it.

[Bjornsdotter]

14. You are welcome!

[Douglas Carpenter]

67. exactly -how can they attack something and then insist it doesn't exist?

[beam me up scottie]

68. This thread is hilarious.

Bernie proposed legislation 2 years ago and because the op can't seem to master the Google that means he's "silent" on the issue.

[pangaia]

81. Is that a serious question?

[lovemydog]

43. Thank you Bjornsdotter.

I will go to the site and check out more of it.

[Bjornsdotter]

71. You are welcome! n/t

[lastone]

45. ...And he has advocated for single payer

For freaking ever!

Thanks for the post Bjornsdotter, I don't think the original poster really tried to hard...

[Xipe Totec]

5. Perhaps better Googling skills are required

BERNIE SANDERS ON HEALTHCARE
Bernie believes that the challenges facing the American healthcare system need to be addressed immediately—they are a matter of life and death. He has always believed that healthcare is a human right and should be guaranteed to all Americans regardless of wealth or income. He prizes the health and wellness of individuals over corporate profits. Additionally, he supports future legislation to curb drug costs and tackle fraud in the industry. Altogether, universal healthcare serves as a strong foundation for his policy goals.

Affordable Care Act (Obamacare): Obamacare was a small victory for the uninsured, but it is time to take the fight against inadequate coverage even further.

Medicaid: Until comprehensive universal healthcare is passed, we must expand and improve the Medicaid program.

Medicare: We must expand “Medicare for All” by creating a single-payer health-care system for every American.

Universal Healthcare: Many countries have proven that a single-payer system can work—it’s time for the U.S. to join that list.

Mental Health: We must make sure that mental health services are available to all Americans regardless of income.

Prescription Drugs & Drug Manufacturers: We can promote innovation by controlling drug costs and tackling fraud.

Nutrition: In our land of plenty, everyone has the right to access to food and education on nutrition regardless of income or mobility.

More at:

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

[pnwmom]

7. Why doesn't he say anything on BernieSanders.com, his official site?

[Xipe Totec]

9. What makes you the arbiter of which site to use?

[pnwmom]

13. That site has no official connection to Bernie Sanders. Some volunteers

put up that site without authorization from Bernie.

Why doesn't Bernie discuss health issues on his own, official, site?

Your site says:

This website was built & is maintained by volunteers with no official relation to Bernie Sanders.

No one who wants to know what Bernie is proposing should be relying on it.

[pnwmom]

20. Your reading skills led you to pass over this note on the feelthebern site:

This website was built & is maintained by volunteers with no official relation to Bernie Sanders.

This site isn't run under the authority of Bernie Sanders, but by self-identified volunteers.

His official site, BernieSanders.com, is silent on health issues.

[last1standing]

8. You're either suggesting that Bernie has no healthcare proposals, which is stupid...

Or you're purposely trying to misdirect low information voters who have somehow missed any speech he has ever given, which is disgusting.

Which is it?

[Punkingal]

15. Or just posting misinformation, which is common.

[pnwmom]

17. Bernie has no health care issues on his official website, where he discusses

many other issues.

The site other people have posted here is run by volunteers and has no connection to Bernie's campaign.

They can say whatever they want, but Bernie is not proposing this on his website.

This website was built & is maintained by volunteers with no official relation to Bernie Sanders.

[pnwmom]

18. I'm asking why Bernie has no healthcare proposals on his website,

BernieSanders.com -- his only official campaign website, where he has many other proposals.

[last1standing]

22. Why does it matter so much to you where his information is located versus what he supports?

His proposals are out there for all to see but you're trying to insinuate that he doesn't have proposals by comparing Hillary's weak tea, corporate give-away plans to something that isn't even comparable. It's apples and baseball bats. They're not even in the same category of concepts.

Your OP is a venal attempt at misdirection. If that's all Hillary supporters can come up with, you don't have anything.

Edited to add: Looks like you were even wrong (or worse) in your "factual" statements as proved below. How very, very sad and embarrassing for you.

[pnwmom]

29. Because I can't find his detailed proposal anywhere and details matter. And I couldn't

even find that paragraph listed among the "issues" on the issues page. Don't you think people who are interested in Bernie should be able to quickly find a detailed healthcare proposal?

[last1standing]

59. So if you can't get instant gratification from a candidate they're not worth supporting?

I see why you support Hillary then. She offers instant policies based on whatever way the wind is blowing at the moment.

Good luck with that.

[pnwmom]

66. Did it ever occur to you that people who aren't yet "feeling the bern"

should have a useful and reliable site to go to for official Bernie information?

But hey, if he wants to make it harder for potential supporters, I don't care.

[last1standing]

76. Did it ever occur to you that people on DU aren't low information voters?

Your attempts at deceiving people isn't going to play here. All you're doing in emphasizing exactly what so many people cant' stand about Clinton and Team Weathervane. When the fact aren't convenient, they just make up some bullshit and try to get the peasants to swallow it. Now, she's got her own daughter spewing lies for her. It's pathetic and desperate, just like your OP.

So you "couldn't find" information that was readily available on berniesanders.com and in a thousand other places online instantly. Instead of looking for it you rushed to post a comparison that made absolutely no sense and insulted the intelligence of every person on this forum.

How does Hillary win with "supporters" who can't even get the meme right? It's not supposed to be that he doesn't have a plan, it's that he want's to dismantle every form of healthcare in the nation.

Maybe you need to listen to Mrs. Hedgefund's speech again? I hear they only cost $75,000 each.

[pnwmom]

84. I went to his site and couldn't find a topic labeled "health" under issues.

As a DUer, yes, I know how to google and look for more information. But it wouldn't be from his official site. And to find anything on his official site you have to go to the issues page, and then decide whether to choose Door #1 or Door #2 or maybe Door #10.

I had checked a few doors, but hadn't picked the right ones. A less interested person would have stopped at the issues page.

But it's fine with me if Bernie doesn't want people to be able to easily access his official proposal about healthcare. Though I don't know why he wants to make it harder.

[pangaia]

82. Ok Ok we get it.

You can't find it.

I'll call Bernie tomorrow and tell him you're worried. Thanks for the tip.

You are starting to sound like THINKABOUT.

[Autumn]

12. Nice try. It's on his web site.

[pnwmom]

16. No, it isn't. FeelTheBern is run by volunteers and doesn't have Bernie's sanction.

This website was built & is maintained by volunteers with no official relation to Bernie Sanders.

Bernie's actual site, BernieSanders.com, says nothing about health issues.

[Autumn]

26. Really? I see it, BernieSanders.com. Under issues.

[pnwmom]

30. Which item? They're not numbered, so please tell me which two items it's between,

and how it is identified.

[Autumn]

47. It's there, you might have to read the health relates issues but I'm not going to look for it

for you. We all know who you support and having read the links provided to you in this very thread your game is obvious. So is your OP.

[pnwmom]

78. A useful website doesn't require people to have to guess whether health care proposals

are behind Door #1 or Door #2.

Assuming Bernie thinks healthcare is an important issue, then a useful website would clearly list healthcare BY NAME with the other important issues . . . not force readers to go on a hunt through articles about "a living wage," "climate change," "fighting for LGBT equality" looking for scattered sentences about healthcare.

[Paulie]

19. Here

https://berniesanders.com/medicare-for-all/

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/medicare-for-all

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-calls-for-medicare-for-all/

[pnwmom]

23. Thank you. How did you find that link, since healthcare isn't listed under issues?

[Paulie]

31. It's #9 under Wealth inequality

https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/

He other links I googled.

[pnwmom]

34. Okay, thanks. But does he give any details anywhere about how

he intends to combine it with Medicaid? This one sentence doesn't tell much.

[Paulie]

46. He supports HR676

http://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-wall-street-journal-gets-totally-wrong-about-bernie-sanders-agenda/

[ejbr]

25. Now wait one second...

does one have to click on those links or does the information magically show up on my screen?

[beam me up scottie]

32. LOL!

[Autumn]

56. It magically appeared on mine. I used magic and made it invisible to

those who don't know the magic word.

[questionseverything]

69. lol

ornery is the magic word!!

[azmom]

93. LOL

[Go Vols]

28. Yep,

took about 30 seconds to find it before I saw you had already linked to it.

[beam me up scottie]

24. Silent on the issue? His proposal is called Healthcare Now and he introduced it in 2013:

American Health Security Act, S. 1782

Introduced by Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Read the full bill from 113th Congress (2013-2014).
Read the summary of S. 1782 from the 113th Congress (2013-2014).

See the list of Congressional S. 1782 cosponsors for the 113th Congress (2013-2014).

Brief Summary of the Legislation

The American Health Security Act of 2013 (S. 1782) provides every American with affordable and comprehensive health care services through the establishment of a national American Health Security Program (the Program) that requires each participating state to set up and administer a state single payer health program. The Program provides universal health care coverage for the comprehensive services required under S. 1782 and incorporates Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and TRICARE (the Department of Defense health care program), but maintains health care programs under the Veterans Affairs Administration. Private health insurance sold by for-profit companies could only exist to provide supplemental coverage.

The cornerstones of the Program will be fixed, annual, and global budgets, public accountability, measures of quality based on outcomes data designed by providers and patients, a national data-collection system with uniform reporting by all providers, and a progressive financing system. It will provide universal coverage, benefits emphasizing primary and preventive care, and free choice of providers. Inpatient services, long term care, a broad range of services for mental illness and substance abuse, and care coordination services will also be covered.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782

Hillary's been railing against it for months, where have you been?

[Jarqui]

49. +1

Yep, we've discussed this in other threads.

Looks like the Hillary campaign is having trouble keeping up and

from her daughters recent remarks having some trouble accurately stating Bernie position (ok, she's an adult. I'll be blunt = spewing BS about Bernie's position on healthcare)

[beam me up scottie]

52. Negative articles about it were posted all over the place.

Now they're trying to pretend it doesn't exist?

[pangaia]

83. ".. spewing BS about Bernie's position on healthcare)" ??

She was outright lying.

[AlbertCat]

97. She was outright lying.

Misinformation.

Rove style.

[valerief]

27. He's been talking about Medicare for All since forever, even before

he was running for president.

[pnwmom]

33. I want to know the details of what he means. Will Medicaid be folded in, and how

will that work? Right now, the states control Medicaid and that's why some are concerned Medicaid is at risk.

[valerief]

35. Medicare for ALL. ALL. ALL.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

[pnwmom]

37. That's not Bernie's site. That's a non-officially sanctioned site. And it leaves out details. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

39. Post this link to his legislation, she's ignoring me:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782

[valerief]

57. She has an agenda.

[beam me up scottie]

58. Yes she does.

At this point I'm just going to sit back and watch her spin her wheels.

[Art_from_Ark]

94. Confucius say, "He who spins wheels in 6 feet of mud

Last edited Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:14 AM - Edit history (2)

only gets deeper in the mud".

[Matt_in_STL]

38. I really don't need to see it on his website

I know everything I need to know about his healthcare plan from Chelsea Clinton. I'm sure his website would just be completely redundant.

[JonLeibowitz]

41. LOL! Good one! n/t

[pnwmom]

42. This is why I went looking for his detailed proposal -- so I could understand

what he was really saying.

So people are pointing me to sentences scattered here and there on discussions of other issues, but he hasn't pulled it all together in a detailed discussion of healthcare.

[riversedge]

54. have you seen this article--it is a quick summary of Sanders proposa. and Chelsea's

comments today.

X=posted from Hillary Group


What Chelsea Clinton said about Sanders dismantling Medicare, aca etc and...

Sanders proposal. Technically, all the health programs would be dismantles and merged into on Universal plan. The cost was not discussed as far as I know nor HOW this would be done. Be the jest of Sanders plan is that each state would run its own program. We have seen what the Red state governors have done already.


Chelsea Clinton Accuses Sanders of Trying to "Dismantle Obamacare"

—By Pema Levy
| Tue Jan. 12, 2016 5:13 PM EST

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/01/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-universal-health-care-plan



..............."Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance," she said, according to MSNBC. "I worry if we give Republicans Democratic permission to do that, we’ll go back to an era—before we had the Affordable Care Act—that would strip millions and millions and millions of people off their health insurance."

Chelsea Clinton is technically right: Millions of Americans would lose their current health insurance plans, which would be replaced by enrollment in a coverage program available to all (except, perhaps, undocumented immigrants). But it's unclear how a plan that would make almost everyone eligible for coverage would strip millions of health care coverage, which is what Clinton seemed to be saying. (The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

Sanders' health care plan, which he outlined in legislation in 2013, would replace the current piecemeal approach to coverage through many different programs—private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP—with government-provided coverage for everyone. As with the Affordable Care Act's health care exchanges, Sanders' 2013 bill relies on states to develop single-payer plans. But as the Sanders campaign stresses, any state that refused to set up a singe-payer system would have the federal government step in and do it. So unlike with the current Medicaid expansion, states could not opt out of "Berniecare."

"It is time for the United States to join the rest of the industrialized world and provide health care as a right to every man, woman, and child," Sanders campaign spokeswoman Arianna Jones said in a statement responding to Chelsea Clinton's attack. "A Medicare-for-all plan will save the average middle-class family $5,000 a year. Further, the Clinton campaign is wrong. Our plan will be implemented in every state in the union regardless of who is governor."....

[JonLeibowitz]

40. This OP is very very sad.

This may be helpful to pnwmom: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bernie+sanders+healthcare+plan

[pnwmom]

44. I wanted to read Bernie's official proposal from his official website.

Not a volunteer site with no official connection to the campaign, or various news articles on google.

But the most anyone could point me to were some buried sentences on other pages, referencing Medicare-for-all.

How come he's not making this a more prominent part of his pitch on his website? Why doesn't he put his healthcare proposals on a page and make it easy for interested voters to find?

[beam me up scottie]

48. His legislation showed up when I googled Bernie Sanders + healthcare proposal

I don't know why she can't find it, he introduced it in 2013.

[retrowire]

51. Bernie volunteer here!

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

feelthebern.org is a fully supported website by the Bernie campaign and we volunteers are authorized to use it as a source.

JUST feelthebern.org and berniesanders.com

But the OP is right, his main page is lacking. But that's not because he doesn't have any plans.

So feel free to read up!

There IS this on the berniesanders.com page though... https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/

[Dawson Leery]

53. Good luck getting the GOP Governors to help you.

[Curmudgeoness]

55. As BMUS keeps telling you

but you choose to ignore:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782

No, it is not his official campaign site, but if you click on it, you will see that this is his plan, introduced by him, and there is a link to the full bill.

[jberryhill]

60. This is your idea of a "plan"?

"Reduce the cost of prescription drugs. Prescription drug spending accelerated from 2.5 percent in 2013 to 12.6 percent in 2014. It’s no wonder that almost three-quarters of Americans believe prescription drug costs are unreasonable. Hillary believes we need to demand lower drug costs for hardworking families and seniors."

Awwwww WOW!!!!!!!!!

What a GREAT IDEA!!!!!

LOWER drug prices instead of HIGHER ones!

That's fucking awesome! It takes real genius to have a plan that includes lowering drug prices!

And how will we get them? By DEMANDING them!

Gosh, that's fucking wonderful.

P.s. Are you single or unemployed? Fuck off!

[Motown_Johnny]

62. Please see post #61 and the question posed at the bottom of it, thanks.

Not that I expect a response.

[pnwmom]

85. Do you think the typical voter -- not a DUer who's feeling the bern --

wants to go to that trouble?

Maybe that person just expects to find Bernie's healthcare proposal -- his 2016 proposal -- on his official website.

No one who designs websites for living would tell people -- "hey, it doesn't matter that health care isn't listed as an issue -- just go google his 2013 Medicare-for-all bill."

[Motown_Johnny]

86. I think substance beats rhetoric

Bernie is a candidate with substance, actual legislative proposals.

Hillary's campaign is mostly rhetoric. Yes she has things that sound good typed up on a website. I ask yet again, where are the proposals she forwarded while in Congress?

[pnwmom]

87. Here you go.

I'm sure you'll enjoy sifting through this, since you think that's what everyone should have to do.

ontheissues.org

[Motown_Johnny]

88. You already have multiple posts on this thread admitting it is on his website.

Why do you not edit, or delete, your OP? You know for a fact it is false.


I am sorry if looking though a site is hard work for you. For most of us it isn't. People also tend to just do a google search for what they want, not demand that the source is from a specific site.

The fact that you have nothing to do but attack the design of a website is very telling.

I keep asking where Hillary's proposals are but you never address it. I sure am glad you like the meaningless dribble posted on a site for someone who changes positions on major issues every time the wind blows (yes that was sarcasm). Most people are looking for substance. Hillary has very little of that.

[Lordquinton]

75. So because it's not presented in exactly the way you demand it to be, you declare it doesn't exist?

You have been corrected many, many times in this thread, [lease stop spreading misinformation.

[pnwmom]

79. Yeah, I have been corrected.

By people who told me to go to a non-Bernie site, and by others who told me if I sifted through all the other issue pages, I'd find sentences about healthcare scattered here and there.

Guess what? That's not the point. The point is that if Bernie thinks healthcare is an important issue, he should HIGHLIGHT it just like all the other issues he thinks are important, not bury it in other discussions.

Maybe he'd just as soon people not find it, I don't know. But I doubt it. I think someone just messed up.

[Motown_Johnny]

89. HE PROPOSED LEGISLATION!!! If Hillary thought it was an important issue she would have done that.

She didn't.

[mythology]

90. Given that you've been shown it does exist

regardless of if it's where you would think to look for it, should you not delete this?

[jeff47]

91. This is a very odd way to call Chelsea Clinton a liar.

After all, she attacked Sanders's plan today.

But if the plan doesn't exist, then she was lying.

[Bradical79]

92. I would like to see the website add a more prominent section on his healthcare proposals

But to claim it's an issue he has been silent on isn't the least bit true.

[Ron Green]

95. This is a sad thread.

I think they're going to get more and more sad.

[Betty Karlson]

96. I see that Chelsea's lies are part of a new effort to smear Sanders.

Well, at least the Clinton campaign is ATTEMPTING to raise issues rather than gimmicks...

[Matariki]

98. You moved the goalpost so many times in this thread I've got whiplash!

You've gone from a false claim that Sanders doesn't have a healthcare proposal, to claiming the info isn't on his website, to kibitzing about *how* that info is presented on his website.

Instead of ever acknowledging the fact that you were wrong, you just keep doubling down on pettier and pettier complaints. Why?