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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:04 PM Jan 2016

The lies about Bernie's health care plan are going to hurt her.

I have seen a number of interviews with Bernie recently and in all of them they bring up the Clinton comments.

He responds with things like "that is just factually incorrect".

Bernie is now on national TV pointing out that Hillary will say anything to get elected (in a very nice way) over and over and over again.

Since so many people already find her untrustworthy, this hits her where it hurts. Plus, she asked for it and the MSM is just feeding Bernie the questions he needs to push this.


I don't see the statements about the differences on gun regulations being as effective, but this health care thing is hitting home.




As I have been saying for months. Hillary is running a terrible campaign and is a terrible candidate. This latest move is just more evidence of that.

Would your abuela lie about a Medicare for all health care plan? I think not.


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The lies about Bernie's health care plan are going to hurt her. (Original Post) Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 OP
Her prospects today are worse than they ever have been. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #1
There is absolutely NO justification to every trust a word she says. She has proven it. arcane1 Jan 2016 #2
And so I don't--trust Hillary, that is. Lying has consequences. Frequent lying has more consequences DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #33
#notmyabuela azmom Jan 2016 #3
#jamiedimonsabuela Indepatriot Jan 2016 #19
OMG! kath Jan 2016 #35
If she continues lying she will make it impossible to even hold your nose to vote for her Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #4
There's not a clothespin big enough in the universe that I could put on my nose to enable me to kath Jan 2016 #9
There is not a clothespin big enough.. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #38
I will still vote against her opponent if she wins the nomination, Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #12
I'd still have to get really drunk first, hold my nose then go home and puke Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #13
Michigan is a swing state, I know what I need to do. n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #14
Thank you for doing the dirty work for us. Mike__M Jan 2016 #32
For once I am glad that I live in this awful red state where my prez vote doesn't matter. kath Jan 2016 #36
Hadn't thought of that. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #31
I'm surprised #pantsuitonfire isn't a Twitter tag. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #5
Really? #pantsuitonfire? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #10
if there's a better liar twitter tag I would love to see it. roguevalley Jan 2016 #22
I think it's a great tag for HRC. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #25
Ha! kath Jan 2016 #11
lol mhatrw Jan 2016 #20
#pantsuitonfire Good one! Jackilope Jan 2016 #24
#BernThePantsuit ? eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #30
I can't recall lying helping any Clinton after they've been caught Jarqui Jan 2016 #6
Just watched a Clinton spokesperson, Brian something, on MSNBC NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #7
Honestly, I think the media matters little dorkzilla Jan 2016 #23
Brian Fallon Dretownblues Jan 2016 #27
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #8
It certainly will hurt her. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #15
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #16
Hillary should try this campaign strategy: fbc Jan 2016 #17
But then she'd just have to keep her mouth shut, and sagely nod. libdem4life Jan 2016 #18
I remember when Progressives silenttigersong Jan 2016 #21
Hill the Shill is a lying snake and an incompetent campaigner. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #26
Dude, that abuela question is a clincher. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #28
Third Way Betty says: Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #29
I was trying not Jharr827 Jan 2016 #34
You know, between this and the soft focus videos, meaningless slogans, and empty attacks Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #37
Here comes Hillary's kitchen sink Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #39
single payer is very popular among democrats firebrand80 Jan 2016 #40
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
1. Her prospects today are worse than they ever have been.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

She's still the favorite, and Sanders has a long way to go, but he's never had a better chance than he does right now.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. There is absolutely NO justification to every trust a word she says. She has proven it.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jan 2016

The only rational, default response is to assume she's lying when she speaks.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
33. And so I don't--trust Hillary, that is. Lying has consequences. Frequent lying has more consequences
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jan 2016

And telling lies to harm my candidate means she can get out of my face, now and forever.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
4. If she continues lying she will make it impossible to even hold your nose to vote for her
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

should such a tragedy fall upon us.

kath

(10,565 posts)
9. There's not a clothespin big enough in the universe that I could put on my nose to enable me to
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

vote for her. Fortunately, I live in a mega-red state, so my Presidential vote doesn't matter one iota - so I can leave that spot on my ballot blank if the Maybe-Now-Not-So-Inevitable-One slimes her way to the nomination, and feel no guilt.
Will happily vote for down-ticket Democrats.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
38. There is not a clothespin big enough..
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

To put on my nose to vote for a Republican either. I would still vote for Hillary because any other vote (even not voting) would be for a Republican. But there is not a clothespin big enough for me to vote for her in the primary. And if she wins she is not likely to have coattails.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
31. Hadn't thought of that.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

With Clinton on top of the ticket, we'd be in for

2014 Revisited: Debbie's Doomed Day Doubled

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
6. I can't recall lying helping any Clinton after they've been caught
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

And they've been caught lying enough times that we've got a fair amount of case history to base that on.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
7. Just watched a Clinton spokesperson, Brian something, on MSNBC
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

spreading the same misconceptions on Bernies Single Payer plan, yet he wasn't called out on it by the host, simply allowed to spew his BS. No rebuttal from an opposing view was presented either.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
23. Honestly, I think the media matters little
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

No one has expected integrity from them for quite some time, and people are getting more credible information from social media these days.

Plus msnbc? Does anyone really watch them anymore (more than an occasional tune-in)?

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
27. Brian Fallon
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

Is his name and he is a really terrible spokesman. Just look at his twitter feed, he has been smearing Sanders for months.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
15. It certainly will hurt her.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jan 2016

People know Bernie. They also know he would never leave millions and millions of people without healthcare. That's not in his DNA!

She better rethink her plan of attack for going after Bernie because lies are not going to work.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
17. Hillary should try this campaign strategy:
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jan 2016

Always do the opposite of what you and your advisers think you should do.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
18. But then she'd just have to keep her mouth shut, and sagely nod.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jan 2016

Or, it might mean she'd be a real Democrat again. Who knows?

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
21. I remember when Progressives
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016

were saying the ACA was an opening to single payer.President Obama said everone should have a seat at the health care reform table.Sadly that is when my "Hope for change"deteriorated to reality,my admiration for Potus waned.[link:http://

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Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
26. Hill the Shill is a lying snake and an incompetent campaigner.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

I still can't believe she's trying to attack Sanders on health care...from the left! Does she seriously think this will get her votes?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
29. Third Way Betty says:
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

What you need to understand is that trustwortiness is overrated. Wall Street doesn't rely on trustworthiness - it relies on being beyond litigation. The question "Can I Get Away With It" is the key here, not "Is it right?" or "Do I really believe that?"

But if you want to go that way: I really believe that Clinton is a terrific candidate, that she will be a smashing president, that DWS is a tremendous chair who does an unbiased job, that TPP is God's gift to America but not in the way that makes Clinton ineligeable and if you want more information on that subject you are a poll-clicking complacent millennial who won't bother to vote anyway so screw you. I also believe that fracking should be pushed on the world - as secretary Clinton did - but not in a way that makes us look like Flint is a giant lead-infested egg on our faces, I believe that 9/11 has shown the world why Wall Street has to be coddled, and if you think otherwise you are sexist and racist.

Lastly, I think everyone should stop attacking Chelsea for speaking out against Sanders' plans for health care reform. As the wife of one of us and the daughter of two of us, she should know what is best for the United States and its ruling elite. So get thee down on thy knees, you unbelievers!

And if I don't really believe all that, who cares?

As long as I can get away with it... trustworthiness is so overrated.

Jharr827

(32 posts)
34. I was trying not
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

To dislike her until this came about. I read an article about her being all for single payer in the past then to turn it around like this is bad. She will not get my vote.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. You know, between this and the soft focus videos, meaningless slogans, and empty attacks
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

On Sanders supporters, one would almost think that there just aren't a whole lot of actual issues-oriented arguments her supporters and campaign can even come up with, to try and convince people to vote for her.

Imagine that!

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