2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe lies about Bernie's health care plan are going to hurt her.
I have seen a number of interviews with Bernie recently and in all of them they bring up the Clinton comments.
He responds with things like "that is just factually incorrect".
Bernie is now on national TV pointing out that Hillary will say anything to get elected (in a very nice way) over and over and over again.
Since so many people already find her untrustworthy, this hits her where it hurts. Plus, she asked for it and the MSM is just feeding Bernie the questions he needs to push this.
I don't see the statements about the differences on gun regulations being as effective, but this health care thing is hitting home.
As I have been saying for months. Hillary is running a terrible campaign and is a terrible candidate. This latest move is just more evidence of that.
Would your abuela lie about a Medicare for all health care plan? I think not.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)She's still the favorite, and Sanders has a long way to go, but he's never had a better chance than he does right now.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The only rational, default response is to assume she's lying when she speaks.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And telling lies to harm my candidate means she can get out of my face, now and forever.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)should such a tragedy fall upon us.
kath
(10,565 posts)vote for her. Fortunately, I live in a mega-red state, so my Presidential vote doesn't matter one iota - so I can leave that spot on my ballot blank if the Maybe-Now-Not-So-Inevitable-One slimes her way to the nomination, and feel no guilt.
Will happily vote for down-ticket Democrats.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)To put on my nose to vote for a Republican either. I would still vote for Hillary because any other vote (even not voting) would be for a Republican. But there is not a clothespin big enough for me to vote for her in the primary. And if she wins she is not likely to have coattails.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but that is the best I can do.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Here's hoping it won't come to that this year.
kath
(10,565 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)With Clinton on top of the ticket, we'd be in for
2014 Revisited: Debbie's Doomed Day Doubled
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)#Pantsuitonfire... clever and very accurate.
kath
(10,565 posts)Someone needs to start that.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Jarqui
(10,122 posts)And they've been caught lying enough times that we've got a fair amount of case history to base that on.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)spreading the same misconceptions on Bernies Single Payer plan, yet he wasn't called out on it by the host, simply allowed to spew his BS. No rebuttal from an opposing view was presented either.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)No one has expected integrity from them for quite some time, and people are getting more credible information from social media these days.
Plus msnbc? Does anyone really watch them anymore (more than an occasional tune-in)?
Dretownblues
(253 posts)Is his name and he is a really terrible spokesman. Just look at his twitter feed, he has been smearing Sanders for months.
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)People know Bernie. They also know he would never leave millions and millions of people without healthcare. That's not in his DNA!
She better rethink her plan of attack for going after Bernie because lies are not going to work.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)Thanks for the thread, Motown_Johnny.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Always do the opposite of what you and your advisers think you should do.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Or, it might mean she'd be a real Democrat again. Who knows?
silenttigersong
(957 posts)were saying the ACA was an opening to single payer.President Obama said everone should have a seat at the health care reform table.Sadly that is when my "Hope for change"deteriorated to reality,my admiration for Potus waned.[link:http://
|Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I still can't believe she's trying to attack Sanders on health care...from the left! Does she seriously think this will get her votes?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)What you need to understand is that trustwortiness is overrated. Wall Street doesn't rely on trustworthiness - it relies on being beyond litigation. The question "Can I Get Away With It" is the key here, not "Is it right?" or "Do I really believe that?"
But if you want to go that way: I really believe that Clinton is a terrific candidate, that she will be a smashing president, that DWS is a tremendous chair who does an unbiased job, that TPP is God's gift to America but not in the way that makes Clinton ineligeable and if you want more information on that subject you are a poll-clicking complacent millennial who won't bother to vote anyway so screw you. I also believe that fracking should be pushed on the world - as secretary Clinton did - but not in a way that makes us look like Flint is a giant lead-infested egg on our faces, I believe that 9/11 has shown the world why Wall Street has to be coddled, and if you think otherwise you are sexist and racist.
Lastly, I think everyone should stop attacking Chelsea for speaking out against Sanders' plans for health care reform. As the wife of one of us and the daughter of two of us, she should know what is best for the United States and its ruling elite. So get thee down on thy knees, you unbelievers!
And if I don't really believe all that, who cares?
As long as I can get away with it... trustworthiness is so overrated.
Jharr827
(32 posts)To dislike her until this came about. I read an article about her being all for single payer in the past then to turn it around like this is bad. She will not get my vote.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)On Sanders supporters, one would almost think that there just aren't a whole lot of actual issues-oriented arguments her supporters and campaign can even come up with, to try and convince people to vote for her.
Imagine that!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)attacking it is not a winning argument for Hillary