I'm VERY disappointed in HILLARY - the many faces of Hillary on HEALTHCARE

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Healthcare is a right and unless you are in bed with the insurance companies Democrats should be pushing for Medicare for all. I think Hillary has dug herself a hole on this issue. This is a case of serial flip-flopping and serial lying. There's no excuse that 'Medicare for all' can't be done as she has said in the past that it could. It it can be done lowering the cost of healthcare in this country. Anyhow I am extremely disappointed in her.

By the way: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health

[99th_Monkey]

1. Camp Weathervane has no problem turning with the winds & opportunistic pandering. -nt-

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Oh, god, really?

It's called evolving.

[enlightenment]

10. Evolving into what, exactly?

[yuiyoshida]

11. You will have to wait and see!!!

(I am betting it will become a baby dinosaur!)

[retrowire]

12. lol! nt

[enlightenment]

24. Hehe . . . !

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. You got that right....

[BeanMusical]

37. Rofl!

[daybranch]

56. FlipFloppers

That's all I got!

[Helen Borg]

13. Yup, evolving chameleon!

[sarge43]

19. I call it flip flopping

At the rate she's going, she'll be able to qualify for the Olypmic gymast team.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. LOL!

serial flip-flopper

[John Poet]

62. DEvolving might be a better word.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. Revolving, shevolving...

[lewebley3]

16. I am very proud of Hillary: she put up with Sanders smearing her record

for months. Sanders has nothing but pie in ski ideas
that can never get done.

He has never ever lead the senate in any accomplishments

[valerief]

17. I remember when a Catholic president was pie in the sky. Now we have a black president!

Pies DO get made sometime.

[lewebley3]

34. Sanders is no Kennedy: Sander is weakling with no quaificaitons:

Sanders turns red in face and throws temper tantrums
when things don't go his way or confronted:
Kennedy was born a leader and was a real leader for Dem's :

Sanders socialism would offend Kennedy because
he was a cold war battler against the USSR. He was
rich man himself, he was for capitalism with regulations.

Sanders Honeymooned in Russia: No, its safe to
say that Kennedy would be supporting Hillary the first
chance the US has to elect a very experience qualified Dem woman
for President.

Kennedy didn't wait until he was 73 to decide to help the
Dem party fight against the GOP.
Sanders Ideas have know chance of passing or receiving the funding:
he makes statements like Trump he can never deliver on. That
is dishonest: Hillary ideas reasonable and possible!

[Phlem]

35. And Hillary is completely dishonest.

Trolling trolling trolling, keep them doggies trolling, RAWHIDE!

[BeanMusical]

38. *Whip Crack*

[lewebley3]

53. Hillary's honestly: has been verified by: GOP, FBI, all law enforcement:

If their was anything dishonest about Hillary, the GOP
Sanders, and media wouldn't have had to make
up stories about her emails.

The New York times had to leave out details about
Hillary emails to create a story.

[Phlem]

61. Doubling Down!

Derpy derp!

Never mind videos and facts and the millions of people who post them, yours is an island protected from it all huh.

Your truth is the only truth.

Trollin Trollin Trollin, keep that bullshit rollin, Hillary!

[BeanMusical]

39. That word salad would be better with Ranch dressing.

[lewebley3]

40. You understood

[BeanMusical]

43. For that I would need a translator.

[gregcrawford]

50. Pull up your pants...

... it's too late to save your shoes.

[vkkv]

60. Lewebley - all fantastic GOP talking points!

Bernie KNOWS that to create real changes as he proposes then people are going to have to get out and vote. He has said that repeatedly - he can't do it alone.

With Trump on the ticket, the GOP is afraid of losing both chambers of Congress.

That you want a woman for Pres. is a bit sexist, is it not???

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. Please give concrete "smearing" of her record please.

Be specific, cite examples.

Fawning praise doesn't cut it.

[lewebley3]

22. I have detail the dishonestly of Sanders in many post: Just for starters:

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His supporters claim that Hilary doesn't care about the poor,
and favors the rich complete untrue.

The Clinton's pulled 7.4million people out of poverty and they taxed
rich, not a single GOP vote was cast for the budget
that helped rebuild the middle class. I was able to get raise
any buy a house. (they even had climate change tax that got
cut out): the Clinton's have always been progressive because
they are both very educated and caring.

The Clinton's have been good to all the American people!
but they also smart and brave enough to stand up to
the GOP.

Sanders has nothing to help the poor but talk. How many
people did Sanders pulled out of poverty sitting on his behind
in the Senate talking.

[JDPriestly]

25. Sorry, lewebley3, but Hillary's early pro-single-payer-universal-healthcare stance is the right

one.

She is completely contradicting her earlier fervent advocacy for single payer and universal healthcare now that she has money.

Yes. The Clinton Foundation has done some wonderful work. But we are trying to choose the best candidacy for the PRESIDENCY, not for philanthropist of the year.

It's not that the Clinton's are evil. It's that Bernie will make a better president.

It is inexcusable that Hillary Clinton, who was a fervent supporter for single payer healthcare insurance has now sold herself out and is backing less than that.

Yes. Moving to single payer and universal coverage is a challenge. But America is up to that challenge.

We have to do it.

Hillary is speaking out a lot about drug abuse. Well, let me tell you as one who worked for a non-profit that helped homeless people that helping that population of homeless people that is alcohol- or drug-addicted requires free healthcare that is consistent, that allows for the building of a long-term or medium-term relationship between the healthcare providers and the addicted patient. It requires the building of trust and in many cases community. AA is great. But it presupposes the existence of a home to go back to after the AA meetings. It's really hard for people to be addicted to something. The world crumbles. At the very least these poorest of the poor -- the very folks that Jesus cared most about -- should have healthcare with dignity.

And they are only a tiny part of the population that remains uninsured, unable to do a lot of complex signing up for Obamacare, unable to pay even for Obamacare and not qualified for other health insurance.

Hillary has lost her way.

We need single payer.

Feel the Bern!

[navarth]

32. you are feeding a troll my friend

best to starve it

[BeanMusical]

41. +1

[lewebley3]

44. Hillary changed because Obama created ACA: which is wonderful

Sanders people are Obama smears too:

[JDPriestly]

66. Nonsense. Even Obama talked positively about a public option. That is what

he said in a speech to his supporters approximately two weeks before the passage of the Obamacare legislation. Or do you think he was lying?

Obamacare is a compromise.. It is OK but not what anyone really wanted in the first place.

[Fawke Em]

42. Can I point and laugh at this post now?

Bernie's accomplishments in the House:

* Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

* Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.

* Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.

* Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.

* Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.

* Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.

* Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

* Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

* Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

* Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

* Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

* Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

* Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

[lewebley3]

45. The GOP and Bush responsible for corporation crime: Sanders is nothing but

hot air and smears: He will not be able to break banks, he doesn't
have even Dem votes to do that.

[Fawke Em]

49. Oh, no, we must never try to do the greater good.

It might hurt some really rich people.

[lewebley3]

51. The Greater good is not hot air: Its working for all American

[tularetom]

55. Whoever is paying you to troll this forum is getting ripped off

[FlatBaroque]

57. If Bernie is smart he would start paying that troll to continue doing what it is doing.

[lewebley3]

58. You can use the "troll" on this site: but I am good enough

for you to not pass up.

[tularetom]

59. Well, you are funny enough, I'll give you that

[virtualobserver]

27. Bernie doesn't ski, and he doesn't promise pie..I wish that he would...I love pie!

[pennylane100]

31. He has a record that makes his supporters believe in him.

They are prepared to put their money where their mouth is. He raised $1.4 million in the 24 hours following a smear campaign that totally distorted his platform. No so much "Pie in the sky" more like "Feel The Bern". Also could you please link to examples of how exactly he smeared her record, Inquiring minds would really like to know.

[vkkv]

2. Rosa, we both had the same basic gripe about "H->" 3 minutes apart! n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. Like minds!

[Punkingal]

4. I am no longer disappointed or surprised by anything she says or does.

I have no expectations but more lies from her and her supporters.

[840high]

30. You got it right.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

5. If Hillary said it, then damnit, it's true. Unless it's not. But it's only one of those 2 things.

And that's what I call consistency.

[vkkv]

6. "H->" supporters here at D.U. are often as intolerant as Trump supporters for removing

commenters from the discussion.

"Get rid of that guy, and TAKE HIS COAT - it's 10 degrees outside"

That Hillary sent out Chelsea to LIE for her is below TRUMP!

[Uncle Joe]

8. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Rosa Luxemburg.

[Green Forest]

9. Hillary, like Trump, exhibits traits commonly associated with sociopathic liars.

They have no conscience nor shame about what they say. It is sad that the Democratic Party has chosen to align themselves with such a creature because she is a loser.

Joe Biden knows what we know and much more. That is why he practically endorsed Bernie the other day.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. Her Annie Oakley gun pandering in PA was unbelievable

The way she treated Obama was horrible.

[Green Forest]

28. She has not changed a bit. What is perplexing to me are those Obama supporters who attacked her then

... And now are among her biggest advocates. Do they not see that what she is?

I feel good knowing that the large majority of 2008 Obama's grassroots financial supporters are not falling for it. Most of us who donated to Barack in 2008 are donating to Bernie now.

[Z_California]

46. Paid social media "consultants"

Many "Obama supporters" who attacked her then and are amongst her biggest advocates now are paid to advocate for her. Lots of money out there for "consultants".

[thesquanderer]

14. Hillary is so smart. If only she would use her power for good. (n/t)

[Phlem]

36. "Hillary is so smart."

I would reconsider that comment. Look at where she's now in her campaign compared to her huge lead prior.

Just sayin.

[draa]

20. This entire event has confused me.

From what I've seen single payer is supported by +80% of Democrats and +50% of the population over all. If she's not protecting the insurance companies then it's pure incompetence on the part of her campaign. It makes no sense unless you consider the $2.8M she's received from that industry.

Basically, she has taken the weakest position in the argument. And did it on purpose. No one would willing do that if they weren't gaining something from it. In Clinton's case that's cash.

[JDPriestly]

21. Incredible. That's not evolution. That's being bought off.

Hillary. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, BUT NOT FOR YOU.

And I would really like a woman president in my lifetime.

But NEVER HILLARY.

By the way, in that first video, Hillary makes a great argument for universal, single payer healthcare. The story about the 63-year-old woman with no insurance and a lump in her breast?????

Sounds like one of my friends.

I have to say that when I was 50-55, I had no health insurance because I had returned to work and go to school. I worked nearly full-time but had jobs that paid very little. I could not afford health insurance and my husband's job did not provide it for me. It was frightening.

There are lots of ways to shift to single payer.

Adding Medicare as a public option is one. Adding a not-for-profit but private form of insurance like Medicare to compete with for-profit insurance, something like Kaiser across the country would help. That would force the for-profit insurance companies to compete with low cost insurance.

Remember that Medicare allows people for, I think, an additional cost to pick a private for-profit insurance company. Single payer does not necessarily eliminate the for-profit companies if people want to pay extra just for the joy of paying for the profits of the very rich.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. In Britain

With the NHS people have the option of having a private health insurance but this is so they 'jump the queue.' I was very happy with the British NHS there was no need for extra insurance.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Evolve... Devolve... Revolve.

It's the Clinton way.

[Ed Suspicious]

33. When will she realize that video exists.

[SHRED]

48. Thom Hartmann makes so much sense when describing...

... what health insurance companies are all about.
His thought is that they are nothing more than "banksters". They take in premiums, skim off some for profit, and decide what payouts they will make (pay for your care) based on their bottomline.
They don't handle medications, they aren't doctors, or care. They just handle the money and make life and death descisions based on their companies profit margins for the most part.
The worst kind of bank.

The kind of bank Hillary supports now apparently.

[SoapBox]

52. I guess she just "evolved" to hate healthcare for all...

[Faux pas]

54. She's been disapointing

me since the 90's. Why would she stop now?

[Bernblu]

63. Just goes to show how far 2.8 million goes these days if you don't have a moral backbone!

[senz]

64. I don't think she particularly cares about healthcare.

It's just another chess piece.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

68. I think she's too lazy to deal with it

she's really not that interested in it. Anything that has a profit she is. Healthcare should not be a business but a service.

[Betty Karlson]

65. Anything to win power. Power is the goal not the means, for Clinton.

Very unprincipled and opportunist.