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Related: About this forumEXCLUSIVE: The U.S. Black Chambers Endorse Hillary Clinton
The U.S. Black Chambers will endorse presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Ron Busby, president of the U.S. Black Chambers, will formally announce the endorsement at a rally in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on Monday, BE Politics has learned.
In comments obtained exclusively by BE Politics, Busby and Clinton explain why HRC is the best choice for black business.
Busby asserted that in order for there to be a strong black America, there must be strong black businesses. Citing the need for a candidate who would expand access to capital, provide tax relief, and expand access to new markets for black business owners, the U.S. Black Chambers president affirmed that Clinton was the best person for the job.
We unequivocally believe Hillary Clinton is the candidate that has the best understanding of the economic challenges facing black business owners, and has forward thinking priorities to alleviate the economic conditions facing black Americans and black businesses.
Clinton expressed gratitude at her latest endorsement, stating her excitement to join in the fight for fairness and opportunity for African American entrepreneurs and families. Acknowledging the necessities outlined by Busby, Clinton pledged to cut red tape, improve access to capital, provide tax relief, and increase access to new markets around the world.
This is a major win for Clinton, who has been struggling with the unexpected, meteoric rise of Bernie Sanders. With annual revenues upwards of $10 million and ties to over 100 national Black Chambers of Commerce, The U.S. Black Chambers is a major force within the black community. Their endorsement is a much-needed confirmation of Clintons long-standing support within the black electorate.
http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/exclusive-the-u-s-black-chambers-endorse-hillary-clinton/
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:35 PM - Edit history (1)
As a white man and a member of a religious minority I couldn't be happier than to see my African American brothers and sisters enjoy the riches of a land they have worked so hard to create, sometimes for free, and sometimes for next to nothing at all. I am glad you joined me.
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)own a business? Or do you just think all businesses are bad?
LexVegas
(6,050 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)With a clearly pejorative connotation.
You're not fooling anyone.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Most Chambers Of Commerces are made up of small businesses. If some black man or woman opens up some Midas or Subway franchises, or comes up with his or her own idea and starts a business, how can it be anything but a good thing?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)this country's problem. Small business losing out inpublic policy to big business lobbying interests is.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I didn't see one.
Seriously.
Where's the pejorative?
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)You're not fooling anyone.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Health Care etc.
The Chamber of Commerce is largely a REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE organization...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What is wrong with a black man or woman wanting to open his or her own small business instead of toiling away in a life of wage servitude?
Shouldn't we be applauding their initiative?
Thank you in advance.
Always respectfully,
DSB
Response to HERVEPA (Reply #55)
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HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)to care to understand us.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't see how "business community" is a pejorative anymore than I think Bernie's two visions of Wall Street ad was an attack.
I guess people see what they want to see even when it's not true.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...and playing coy about how much you guys hate capitalism isn't exactly a secret.
With this endorsement, at least you're not trying to tell us all about "the negro". Thank heaven for small favors.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Such as the Wall Street money flowing to Hillary and so many others in Washington to buy influence with them...
Truly small businesspeople don't have a lot of money with which to buy politicians.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)mcar
(42,298 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I actually use some of their information to do business locally.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)LexVegas
(6,050 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)are usually conservative and not on the side of the working class. Maybe times are different in the age of the "New Democrats" or the Republicans are just too batshit insane and the New Dems are conservative enough.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)A lot of Chamber members are small businesses, like a computer repairman or woman who works out of their home.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)organization with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In addition to networking, advocacy, providing information and education about developments in technology and business policy, access to capital, mentoring, etc., here is an example of what they are doing in my county:
School Partnership Initiative
Metro Nashville Public Schools Facts/Student Body Demographics
As of the 2012-13 academic year, 153 schools serving more than 81,000 students. Enrollment demographics*:
Black 45.8%
White 33.3%
Hispanic 16.6%
Asian 4.1%
Indian .2%
Pacific Island .1%
Graduation rate 78.4%
*Source: Metro Nashville Public Schools
Summary
The Nashville Black Chamber of Commerce (NBCC) School Partnership Initiative (SPI) utilizes the experiences and talents of the NBCC membership to encourage public school students to stay in school to achieve short term goals that lead to long term success. SPI exposes students to business owners/professionals who share similar cultural, ethnic, and socioeconomic backgrounds with the majority of the students. Through this exposure, SPI participants hope that the possibility of one day achieving business ownership or professional success may emerge as an attainable goal for the students, and will therefore encourage them to stay in school and continue their education.
NBCC intends to connect with students through our shared cultural experiences and our similar monetary aspirations. On a monthly basis, NBCC SPI members meet at each of the three participating schools, where featured presenters share their passions for their business/profession and explain how they developed into business owners/professionals. Thought provoking activities, guidance materials, and field trips are also part of the experience.
http://www.nashvilleblackchamber.org/
JI7
(89,244 posts)Support reusable shopping bags and many other liberal policies.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I can simultaneously applaud Shaun King's efforts and applaud African Americans who are taking advantage of the bounty our nation created , much of it on their backs, to start small businesses, you?
Thank you in advance.
Always respectfully,
DSB
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Without question.
And yet their success, like the success of those who were able to escape to the North during the times of slavery, carries with it responsibility to reach out to those who were left behind.
The road to freedom is not a path that can be travelled alone.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That is actually W.E.B. Dubois' Talented Tenth argument, that it was incumbent on the top ten percent to lift up the other members of the community.
Nobody succeeds all by himself or herself.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This post is as weird as you linking to Shaun King's endorsement as if it's got anything to do with the Black Chambers.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Tell me the positive things this endorsement says about Secretary of State Clinton AND how and/or if they are consistent with Shaun King's endorsement of Bernie.
Number23
(24,544 posts)seem to have in common is that they are all black. Is that what's tripping you up here?
I would have loved when Planned Parenthood endorsed Hillary for someone to say "but yeah, what about Gabriel Gifford's endorsement?? Gifford's endorsement is the REAL one!! It's the one telling troof to powa!"
A group of black business owners and job makers endorsed Hillary. Your insistence that this has anything to do with Shaun King is as amusing as it is completely bizarre.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)but you haven't answered by first question, what are all the things about the Black Chambers' endorsement that make it so great?
Let's see if at least one of us can discuss it openly.
First, what the endorsement REALLY means. The Black Chambers' endorsement is because Ms. Clinton is seen as more favorable to business interests in general. The unique needs of minority business owners, as opposed to the generalized interests of all business owners, are equally championed by Senator Sanders.
THAT, however, has almost nothing to do with the pro-Hillary crowing on DU in response to this endorsement. That crowing is, although you obviously are not going to admit it, because Hillary's supporters are attempting to perpetuate the "Hillary is better for people of color," MYTH (or, more accurately because her campaign is 80% negative at this juncture, the "Bernie doesn't care about people of color." BALD-FACED LIE). As you observed in your journal, the overwhelming support for Hillary among people of color before, shall we say, the battle was engaged (understandable support given that she was the presumptive nominee at that point -- the same reason for her huge lead among the Democratic electorate as a whole) was a major issue for Senator Sanders, both as a matter of perception and as a matter of votes. The Black Chamber endorsement, like the endorsement of the American hero, John Lewis, and the union bosses at the hotel workers union, are being touted as "proof" that her initial 80% support among people of color is because she stands more for that community, much like her endorsements from big-name Democrats was touted as "proof" that her initial near-60% support among Democratic voters in general was because she stands more for the Democratic Party values. Moreover, it is submitted as "proof" in lieu of having an honest discussion about whether Hillary's or Bernie's policies are more deserving of their support. In other words, as with issue of economic justice, of immigration, of trade, or foreign policy, of criminal justice, or labor rights, or health care, the Hillary camp is out there trying to avoid discussing her abysmal failure to stand up on issues of racism and racial injustice by trotting out endorsements. (Oh, and NO, favoring bi-partisan sentencing reform is NOT "standing up" against racism when cops are targeting and murdering young people of color and DA's are cynically using the grand jury system to cover it up.)
So, you ask how Shaun King's endorsement of Bernie is related to the Black Chambers' endorsement of Hillary? It's NOT because (as your journal tries to argue) Sanders wants to have some kind of "X number of people of color endorsed me and only Y number endorsed Hillary" contest. It's because he wants to demonstrate that the question "who is better for the minority community?" (just like "who should be the Democratic candidate?" is STILL UP FOR DEBATE and that if Hillary wants the votes of that community, she should be forced to get out there and EARN them instead of merely tilting her head forward to receive the crown.
Number23
(24,544 posts)endorsement. Why do you have such an obvious problem with this endorsement?
And if you think that you understand racism better than minorities and that we need to have Hillary's racism "explained" to us, then I don't know what to tell you. But I will say that you'll fit in very well on this web site if that's your mentality.
As for that last paragraph of yours, it's so nonsensical and based on things that never happened ie your assertion that I've argued that Sanders wants to have some kind of "X number of people of color endorsed me and only Y number endorsed Hillary" contest which I've never done or even come close to doing, that I see that I'm probably just wasting my time here.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)nothing but personal attacks.
First point . . . Response: Blatantly false. Hillary supporters flock to every OP about ANY endorsement that gives them even a sliver of an opening to portray her as strong on racial justice issues. Denying that fact is silly. Oh, btw, I agree it is a great endorsement . . . too bad that Hillary supporters so adulterated it.
Second point . . . Response #1: You presume way too much about MY race (and, just as importantly, the extent of my knowledge and expertise on racial justice issues); response #2: Singling out Hillary OR ANY OTHER DU POSTER as a racist would be manifestly unfair and I would NEVER do it, so stow your indignation. Hillary is being criticized for being a craven politician whose supporters do not hesitate to use every opportunity to remind voters of the 100% false and slanderous race-related accusations against Senator Sanders.
Third point . . . from your journal:
"I noted that folks better get ready for a DELUGE of "endorsements" from every black or brown person that endorsed Sanders. That no endorsement would be too small or insignificant. And that folks here would say that the 6 black endorsements for Sanders would somehow hold the same weight if not, somehow actually MORE weight than the God only knows how many endorsements Hillary has gotten from minorities."
Oh snap!
Finally, there are ONLY two reasons you are "wasting your time." The first is that you are just wrong in denying that Shaun King's lengthy editorial (and subsequent campaigning on behalf of Senator Sanders) demonstrates that even in light of the Black Chambers' endorsement there is a major question regarding which candidate is better on race issue. I explained the connection. You ignored it and instead launched into the demonstrably false tangential diatribe I addressed above. The second, and this is the important one, you are wasting your time because you will NEVER even attempt to set out Hillary's policies on race and offer an explanation how they are superior to those of Senator Sanders. Yes, if you insist on defending your candidate by relying upon a false (and despicable) narrative about your opponent and/or his supporters instead of talking about her policies vis a vis racial issues, you are wasting your time because that argument will always fail in the end.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I have also not seen any of the stuff you're talking about in your first point. I am to the point that I think you must be reading a separate web site or your bias/insecurities about the strength of your candidate are causing you to see slights and offences everywhere even when none exist.
For the last time, Shaun King's comments have NOTHING to do with this endorsement. The fact that you keep trying to conflate the two explains it all, particularly why you seem to have such an OBVIOUS issue with this endorsement but not his. Are you black? Why do you feel that you are in any way "qualified" to determine which endorsement holds weight with black people or is more important?
And your howls about "dishonesty" are adorable considering your really nonsensical and ridiculous assertion that because a writer endorsed Sanders this somehow holds more weight and sway with somebody than a group of black businessmen and women endorsing Hillary.
And I can tell that that the fact that these folks are all black is what's tripping you up and is the cause of you screaming and crying that I keep attacking you when I've done nothing of the sort. And this bit of your post "You ignored it and instead launched into the demonstrably false tangential diatribe I addressed above." makes as little sense and is every bit as Scarlett O'Hara absurdly dramatic as your other "points". You would think the fact that not one person has agreed with your bizarre attempts to connect Shaun King's endorsement to this would have given you a clue but I guess that's not how it works.
Get back to me when you are able to discern that black people have multiple, myriad interests -- and you better believe that having jobs and owning businesses are among them -- and that one person's endorsement of Sanders is not the same or even remotely connected to other black group's or individual's endorsement of other candidates. And please take all the time that you need to figure that out. Figure a decade or two should cover it.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)until I realized that we are saying the same thing.
I did not claim that Shaun King's endorsement meant more than the endorsement of the Black Chamber. I said it shows that the question of whether Bernie or Hillary are promoting policies which are most beneficial to people of color is something we need to discuss.
As I was reading you last post, it struck me that you were saying exactly the same thing.
I think that sometimes we become so accustomed to seeing the same arguments over and over that we think "Oh here we go again" and just tune people out. It's sad and it's poisoning this site. I think it clearly poisoned our conversation (and on that I am as much at fault as anyone).
Let me see if I can cut the vitriol from my posts and see what you think.
1. Hillary's endorsement from the Black Chamber is a nice endorsement from an important organization that has does tons of good in the black community, particularly in creating economic growth.
2. Bernie's endorsement from Shaun King is a nice endorsement from the leader of an important movement that does tons of good, in the black community particularly in terms of exposing the extent of systemic racism.
3. We should look at both candidates' policies and have an adult conversation about their plusses and minuses.
Are we together?
Number23
(24,544 posts)have gotten the responses you got from me and several others including the OP.
What you're saying now is pretty much what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. So yeah, I guess we're on the same page now.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Figures . . . Well I am glad to hear it. Take care.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't get the nexus between Shaun King and the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce any more than I get the nexus between Shaun King, the U.S. Black Chamber Of Commerce, and say Larry Elder.
What am I missing?
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)my response to Number23.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This is all a really sad attempt at "my Negro's endorsement is better/more important than yours." I wish I could have found a more delicate way to refer to it but that's exactly what it is.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He and almost every other person in the world.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It says she will empower black business owners and encourage more black men and women to start businesses so they can participate in the bounty of a nation that was largely built on their labor, sometimes for free and sometimes for next to nothing at all.
If some black man or woman opens up a bunch of Subway or Midas franchises or his own business, that's wonderful.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)there are things unsaid upon which we disagree, I have to say that once again I am in complete agreement with what you actually have said.
JI7
(89,244 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Your response is as always, welcome and appreciated.
Respectfully,
DSB
Loki
(3,825 posts)Congratulations Hillary!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)DFW
(54,334 posts)To Hillary's supporters for being appreciative without going all nasty gloating, and to Bernie's supporters for not trashing the endorsement. There will be plenty more for both of them. When they come, don't worry, be happy, celebrate what you got and be cool with the other side winning one now and then, because they will.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)riversedge
(70,182 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)oasis
(49,370 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Where the Union officers decide the Union will support her but they never ask the rank-and-file?
So she get the Union money but not the votes.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You can poll the African American owned businesses in your neighborhood and ask the owners who they are supporting in the upcoming presidential election and report the results back to us.
Do you agree or disagree that would be a teachable moment?
Thank you in advance.
Always respectfully,
DSB
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)We'll see what happens here
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If this endorsement is phony you should be easily able to demonstrate it. All you need to do is to canvass the black owned enterprises in your area and ask the proprietors who they will be supporting in the upcoming presidential election and share the findings with us.
Always respectfully,
DSB
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I don't know whether to laugh or weep.
I'll choose to
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Vinca
(50,255 posts)And the most important color to them is not black, it's green.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If some black guy opens a tire store does he become a plutocrat?
This country was largely built on their labor, sometimes for free and sometimes for next to nothing at all. I am glad to see them share in its bounty, you?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Ya'll don't get out and about in Black neighborhoods?
JI7
(89,244 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Not as benign as the "Black Chambers," but at least it would be honest.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Then I'll be impressed.