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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:38 PM Jan 2016

Bernie's team addresses the personal attact on Bernie's health

Melissa -

With just two weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses, the super PAC coordinating with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is reportedly launching one of the most desperate and vile attacks imaginable: they are insinuating Bernie is too old and unhealthy to be our next president.

Let me be very clear with you: Bernie is in excellent health. But this personal attack is another example of a sickness in our democracy when it is so easy for millionaires and billionaires to buy up candidates and elections.

We are just three points behind in Iowa, but closing every day. We can’t let super PAC attacks on Bernie’s health and health care plan scare people away from voting for Bernie.

Your $25 contribution to Bernie’s campaign could be the difference between victory and defeat in the Democratic primary for our political revolution. Make one more today.

In spite of these Karl Rove-style attacks, Bernie’s going to stay focused on the real issues impacting working families across the country. While he does that, we can make the millionaires and billionaires coordinating with the Clinton campaign pay a price for their attacks.

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver
Campaign Manager
Bernie 2016


Email from Bernie
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Bernie's team addresses the personal attact on Bernie's health (Original Post) MelissaB Jan 2016 OP
More of the same from HRC. dinkytron Jan 2016 #1
Well, she is the 'more of the same' candidate. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #31
I don't think we've seen her medical records? Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #43
I'm betting Bernie's health is better than Hillary's! PeteyPal Jan 2016 #55
I'd say Bernie's health is only second to Trump's greiner3 Jan 2016 #158
she released a letter from her doctor 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #72
She just made her choice of running-mate of utmost importance. HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #135
Well there is some dispute as to whether the records she released a year ago, were sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #73
Its really stupid for Hillary's campaign to demand Bernie's record with INdemo Jan 2016 #150
It wouldn't be beneath her to combine two attacks into one: Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #92
Truly despicable. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #2
I see another money bomb MissDeeds Jan 2016 #7
Yep. This is the "cost" now of her stupid, out of nowhere, desperate attempts to find libdem4life Jan 2016 #14
Yep MissDeeds Jan 2016 #22
She also falls alot. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #24
I understand MissDeeds Jan 2016 #28
Mild concussion wasn't it? Pauldg47 Jan 2016 #78
So did Gerald Ford. HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #136
She must be eating a lot of pretzels. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #153
I'm not psychic and I know we here on DU are in a little bubble, but damn this is libdem4life Jan 2016 #27
She's burning bridges MissDeeds Jan 2016 #41
Amazing to watch. libdem4life Jan 2016 #47
Two of them. One for his seven 'real' grandchildren, I believe people are donating $7 dollars for sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #15
That remark was really low, even for her MissDeeds Jan 2016 #37
In addition to her health records I think she should INdemo Jan 2016 #118
She has been in and around politics for decades MissDeeds Jan 2016 #126
That's gonna hurt ram2008 Jan 2016 #3
The Clintons have always been vile bigwillq Jan 2016 #4
And that's why the republicans are frightened to death to bigdarryl Jan 2016 #13
Translation: We are not releasing medical records but send us money! leftofcool Jan 2016 #5
I'm sure he'll release a doctors note ram2008 Jan 2016 #6
Hillary's records have been fully released including all concussion related health leftofcool Jan 2016 #8
All I see is a letter summary ram2008 Jan 2016 #10
All I saw was a Letter from a doctor can you post a link to her "concussion related records" awake Jan 2016 #12
Already been posted. leftofcool Jan 2016 #109
Bullshit. A doctor's note saying she's fit with a brief summary cali Jan 2016 #19
Wouldn't be the first time Dretownblues Jan 2016 #54
I need PROOF. I believe nothing short of proof. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #20
Her doctor gave a summary in a letter. That's what many do. madfloridian Jan 2016 #21
You lie Loudestlib Jan 2016 #35
No need to "try" Plucketeer Jan 2016 #40
link to them Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #76
A doctors note is not a full release of her health records. Autumn Jan 2016 #83
Translation: Baloney. bvf Jan 2016 #85
Maybe Bernie should have it in his pocket and just hand it to her. pangaia Jan 2016 #25
Maybe he can hire Trump's doctor dlwickham Jan 2016 #84
I think that is the same rope-a-dope tactic Obama used against the birthers with his tblue37 Jan 2016 #98
Not releasing when she says so........ bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #9
I will, last time David Brock tried something like this Bernie's campaign received over $3 million sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #18
Medical records that Hillary hasn't even asked for at this point in time. Beacool Jan 2016 #104
I think the term for that is "splitting hairs". And this is no "anew" drama. libdem4life Jan 2016 #113
Her campaign has not asked for his medical records. Beacool Jan 2016 #115
Right. libdem4life Jan 2016 #117
Yep...it's called a fundraising opportunity when your opponent screws up. Politics 101 libdem4life Jan 2016 #120
And watch the donations pour in. That has to be scary to watch from your side. nt artislife Jan 2016 #152
Remember Obama's Birth Certificate? B.O. let them stew on it for years and shoved it in their faces. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #11
After it's become obvious she's shot herself in the foot again. libdem4life Jan 2016 #16
add this to your list antigop Jan 2016 #26
OMG a box of makeup and a pixie doll. Just slathering and moisturizing and toning libdem4life Jan 2016 #34
Grandchildren who are not real ... but when your depending on David Brock to sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #56
There's another one...her One Grandchild. The hits just keep on coming. libdem4life Jan 2016 #59
"I have a REAL grandchild' she said after saying 'there are those who talk about their sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #63
That's what I meant...ooops...her very special DNA grandchild. libdem4life Jan 2016 #67
I hadn't heard. She actually said that? That's truly disgusting. lob1 Jan 2016 #77
Yes, she did. It was astounding. Video is available I believe. As a result, people are donating sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #132
I thought she said it was a real "exceptional" grandchild? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #111
No, she said "extraordinary,"and SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #144
I'm not sure I can tell what she meant when I listen to that passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #163
calling him "a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby" thesquanderer Jan 2016 #93
Today, calling for new sanctions on Iran. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #97
Claiming Sanders' new ad is an "attack" ad... thesquanderer Jan 2016 #100
No one could be in poor health and keep Bernie's strenuous schedule. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #53
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #17
Is she throwing this? Every mistake in the book NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #23
"Personnal attack"? Bullshit. Pres candidates are *expected* to release their medical records. baldguy Jan 2016 #29
Not related, but your dog is beautiful! MelissaB Jan 2016 #44
a fund raising letter? joeybee12 Jan 2016 #30
Exactly! This is all based on an attack that may happen, but hasn't. What a blatant cash grab. Metric System Jan 2016 #60
either Bernie campaign manager is stupid joeybee12 Jan 2016 #71
On the Contrary Duckfan Jan 2016 #86
snort! paleotn Jan 2016 #64
nope joeybee12 Jan 2016 #69
hillary hate? paleotn Jan 2016 #74
delusional joeybee12 Jan 2016 #79
Fox noise? paleotn Jan 2016 #82
Joeybee is jelous that Bernie is drawing the larger crowds to his rally's. Duckfan Jan 2016 #89
This whole thread is nothing but murielm99 Jan 2016 #162
So anyone who disagrees with paleotn Jan 2016 #164
You have not been reading this thread with an open mind murielm99 Jan 2016 #165
Apparently you're not paying attention Duckfan Jan 2016 #88
Politico published this supposed imminent attack based on an anonymous source. Politico is a Fla Dem Jan 2016 #160
I think it's brilliant. Hillary attacks. Bernie sends out a fundraising email. libdem4life Jan 2016 #116
Nobody from Clinton saltpoint Jan 2016 #32
Confused... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #33
What makes you think Biden will enter the race? red dog 1 Jan 2016 #50
I heard the Dems are poised to see if Hillary falters... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #57
Well, Eleanor Clift is a good reporter, but I think she's wrong if she thinks Biden. red dog 1 Jan 2016 #96
The only way anyone new, such as Biden, SheilaT Jan 2016 #159
Doubtful Aerows Jan 2016 #134
This is ridiculous ejbr Jan 2016 #36
And if you question his (trump) health rpannier Jan 2016 #39
he would be the healthiest president evaaaaaaa!! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #61
So... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #38
I just donated (again) Boomer Jan 2016 #42
Did it occur to the Hillary camp that Bernie's medical records might show him to be in better health sorechasm Jan 2016 #45
I would bet his BMI is better. nt antigop Jan 2016 #49
I was going to mention that, but I was afraid I'd get alerted on...glad you did. libdem4life Jan 2016 #119
Bernie just got another 50 from me. mattvermont Jan 2016 #46
I really can't wait for the GE Duckfan Jan 2016 #94
The act reveals the actor Fairgo Jan 2016 #48
+10000000 nashville_brook Jan 2016 #141
Bernie asking for money just because he was asked for his medical records. what a joke. riversedge Jan 2016 #51
Funny thing from my perspective is, he's going to get that money. Ya'll are gonna be annoyed as Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #65
Laugh, if it makes you feel better. bvf Jan 2016 #90
Got a problem with that? They attack, he gets money. That's what having a libdem4life Jan 2016 #121
Well, if we had publicly funded elections, MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #143
I've been reading up on this. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #145
Donated! Fuck this kind of dishonest campaigning... newthinking Jan 2016 #52
Dishonest? The public has a right to know that any candidate is in good health. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #112
There hasn't even been an attack and the Sanders campaign is already looking to make Metric System Jan 2016 #58
Correction: They already have made money. Now it's kind of like...go for it Hillary libdem4life Jan 2016 #122
Except neither Hillary or her campaign made a statement. Metric System Jan 2016 #127
Guess it sucks to have those advisors then. No matter...Bernie's not sending the checks back. libdem4life Jan 2016 #129
Another donation on the way DiehardLiberal Jan 2016 #62
I read that once before, but what struck me this time was that he didn't go howling to the libdem4life Jan 2016 #66
She learned nothing from 2008. paleotn Jan 2016 #68
"Reportedly"! George II Jan 2016 #70
I know, right? Metric System Jan 2016 #75
All the more reason to elect Bernie--He and everyone else have a better health plan, if elected. nt Gore1FL Jan 2016 #80
I've not gotten such a message benny05 Jan 2016 #81
She's slowly destroying what little she had. SmittynMo Jan 2016 #87
"Hail Mary" pass. bvf Jan 2016 #95
she doesn't really get it. It's supposed to look like ritual combat HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #101
Kind of like showing up for a serious duel...pistols polished...and then one of the duelers libdem4life Jan 2016 #123
Just got 25 more from me Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #91
Oh, tone down the drama. Beacool Jan 2016 #99
Podesta tweeted this below. Brock doesn't speak for the campaign: Metric System Jan 2016 #106
They don't care. They believe anything if it's against Hillary. Beacool Jan 2016 #108
So what does the exchange above remind you of, grad school? libdem4life Jan 2016 #124
perhaps boarding school? nt antigop Jan 2016 #128
That works. libdem4life Jan 2016 #130
Brock is running the SuperPAC that is coordinating with her campaign. jeff47 Jan 2016 #138
Notice no one challenges his perspicacity ,something Hillary lacks . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #102
$25. Here. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #103
good grief. This is not personal nor is it any attach. Sanders should have released his riversedge Jan 2016 #105
The ironic thing is that Hillary's campaign has not asked for his medical records. Beacool Jan 2016 #110
Crazy like a fox...it raised money for Bernie. For Hillary, that's crazy...or at best libdem4life Jan 2016 #125
I believe the Hillary campaign has conducted an internal poll and results show that INdemo Jan 2016 #107
The Hillary campaign must be watching DU passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #114
They have since "retracted the request" for Med records, and "rebuked" David Brock for 'going there' 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #131
Ad here is ammo Bernie can use back..... glinda Jan 2016 #133
This slimy attack is low and disgusting. SoapBox Jan 2016 #137
Regarding Brock's non-denial denial Babel_17 Jan 2016 #139
Where is the evidence of such attacks? Please post, thanks. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #140
Asking for medical records is an attack to Sanders fans as is almost anything. But today Bernie riversedge Jan 2016 #146
Anyone know exactly what was said in the so-called "attack", "reportedly"? George II Jan 2016 #142
Weaver says this? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #147
Another backfire on the part of Hillary's campaign? Duval Jan 2016 #148
I had that story up this morning was going to copy and paste here INdemo Jan 2016 #149
Too bad there isn't a test that measures indegrity.. raindaddy Jan 2016 #151
This is completely stupid childish BS. KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #154
Hahaha kjones Jan 2016 #155
Don't worry, HRC supporters like this. Never mind Bernie is only six years older than HRC Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #156
I'm no doctor, but if I had half of Bernie's energy I'd be a happy camper. Vinca Jan 2016 #157
This is Frank and Claire Underwood-level stuff. SMC22307 Jan 2016 #161

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
31. Well, she is the 'more of the same' candidate.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jan 2016

The only change she wants is more money and more power for her family.

PeteyPal

(15 posts)
55. I'm betting Bernie's health is better than Hillary's!
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jan 2016

Like everything else in this race-just look at their record. Who passed out and had a concussion? Who has been going through the airport and taking economy seats? Who has been flying in private flights? Who has had other members of their family campaign for them? I realize that Bernie has or will need to take private flights to keep up with his grueling schedule. He does all of this and still gets back for most of the senate votes. He is incredibly active on the campaign trail and he is getting incredible results!

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
72. she released a letter from her doctor
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

Not even enough to allow one to play school sports.
The letter did say that she has had two incidents of blood clots in the brain snd that she is on permanent blood thinning drugs.
A google search says her father died of a stroke.

I think her medical history combined with her genetic predisposition to stroke plus her age, which is only 5 years younger than Bernie, puts her at extreme high risk and she should not even be allowed to run.
I also think she just opened up a can of worms that she will soon wish had not been opened.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. Well there is some dispute as to whether the records she released a year ago, were
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

just a letter from a doctor, or were actual medical records. Regardless, that was a year ago. Brock and her campaign seem to be 'concerned' about Bernie's records re his age. Hillary is old too so I imagine they will be asking her, due to her age, to release some up to date records and not just a doctor's letter.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
150. Its really stupid for Hillary's campaign to demand Bernie's record with
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary's history of blood clots and being hospitalized with a blood clot on the brain.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
92. It wouldn't be beneath her to combine two attacks into one:
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

"Bernie Sanders is so sick that he will take away his own Medicare."

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
7. I see another money bomb
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

coming Bernie's way. I just made another donation and expect to donate again after tomorrow's debate.

And yes, it's truly despicable, but not surprising.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
14. Yep. This is the "cost" now of her stupid, out of nowhere, desperate attempts to find
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

something...anything...to discredit him. I must say this is lower than the "message" Chelsea and she stooped to on health care. Maybe that's what gave them this highly imaginative and clever idea ... aha!!!!

So as to an earlier post about how low she will go...She just slid downhill quite a bit with this one. It's moving from desperation to pathetic.

I just wish she wasn't the first woman at this national level. She's been tested and is screwing it up yet again...i.e. failing the test. It's starting to reinforce old and tired gender territory. And especially so, transposed against Sander's steady as he goes, same old-same old message. I'd be willing to guess he broke out in peals of laughter when he heard this.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
22. Yep
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

She can bring up the age issue, but if we say anything about the serious concussion she suffered a few years ago, her supporters yell "foul".

I am so finished with her. If, god forbid, she gets the nomination, she will have to go into the GE without the support of a lot of Bernie's supporters. She has run such a dirty, vile campaign and alienated so many people with her antics that it may come back to bite her. She is beneath contempt.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. She also falls alot.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not sure why and I won't link to it, but there are several clips of her falling on YouTube and in news reports.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. I'm not psychic and I know we here on DU are in a little bubble, but damn this is
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

stupidity at its finest and my "inner crystal ball" is starting to indicate that she's getting her last chance and, yet again, blowing it. And I don't even support her...but she is second on my sig line...and she is a woman yet her behavior sucks.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Two of them. One for his seven 'real' grandchildren, I believe people are donating $7 dollars for
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

despicable attack.

And yes, Brock has become a big fundraiser for Bernie. His last nasty despicable attempt raised over $3 Million for Bernie.

David Brock, who would have thought Hillary would stoop to that level to try to win an election?

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
37. That remark was really low, even for her
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jan 2016

To target children as not being "actually" grandchildren because they are step children or adopted. She has no shame.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
118. In addition to her health records I think she should
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

be required to take a drug test. In fact her whole damn team should have too because the way they are acting they could be on something.

Hillary has wanted this for over 23 years and this time around she wont be denied. She will do whatever it takes because she's the anointed one.That's why the attacks are now more vicious than they were against Obama and that was Bill calling the shots then and I think he is now.

2008 all over again Hillary.


Go Bernie !!

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
126. She has been in and around politics for decades
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

and yet hasn't learned how to go about winning the hearts and minds of voters. She is using a scorched earth approach and seems to think this will bring people to her side. It's totally incomprehensible. She is hell bent on winning at all cost, yet is undermining what she wants most.

It's like 'the beatings will continue until morale improves'.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
3. That's gonna hurt
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for the fundraising boost Hillary. Hope you remember this day when you're standing on stage the day of the Iowa caucuses trying to explain your crushing loss to your wall street donors.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
4. The Clintons have always been vile
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jan 2016

Not surprised her team would attack this way.

Remember 2008?

I wish the Clintons would move to a galaxy far, far away.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
13. And that's why the republicans are frightened to death to
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

Run against them.There not the normal weak kneed democrats who like to place nice like Kerry did in 2004 when he responded to late being swift boated and I love John Kerry he's in fact been a better SOS than Hillary

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
6. I'm sure he'll release a doctors note
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jan 2016

Just like Hillary did. If I were the Sanders campaign I'd keep this issue going until the debate, allow Hillary to make a stink out of it during the debate and continue to make herself look bad, and then make her and her campaign look like a fool by releasing it the day after.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. Bullshit. A doctor's note saying she's fit with a brief summary
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

And surely you aren't suggesting Bernie should have to release his full records but hill doesn't need to.

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
54. Wouldn't be the first time
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jan 2016

They want detailed plans from Bernie on healthcare, but I can't find anything on how Clinton will improve the ACA or how much it will cost. The Hypocracy machine is on full blast in the Clinton camp

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
40. No need to "try"
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks to your inspiration, I'm sending Bernie another hundred bucks. I'll do it thru the ActBlue DU portal like the one where HRC "supporters" send their many contributions to her needy campaign. 'Scuse me while I go send it now.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
76. link to them
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

As has been pointed out, only a letter from her doctor has been released. If I am wrong, prove it.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
98. I think that is the same rope-a-dope tactic Obama used against the birthers with his
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jan 2016

"long form" birth certificate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. I will, last time David Brock tried something like this Bernie's campaign received over $3 million
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

dollars. Brock is one of the most vile political operatives who is hated by all sides. He is a perfect fund raiser for someone who is the total opposite of all that Brock represents.

That Hillary would even associate herself with that slime says so much about her even I was shocked to learn.

No way would Sanders ever associate, or need to, with people of such low character.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
104. Medical records that Hillary hasn't even asked for at this point in time.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016

The media reported that Brock was "planning" to ask for Sanders' records. That was enough for the drama to start anew.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
113. I think the term for that is "splitting hairs". And this is no "anew" drama.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

It is an attack that is ageist, at best. For Shame.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
115. Her campaign has not asked for his medical records.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

That's a fact. the rest is the media's innuendos.

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
11. Remember Obama's Birth Certificate? B.O. let them stew on it for years and shoved it in their faces.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

.


In any campaign, the release of medical records is a given during the General Election.


I'm sure this information is well prepared, waiting for the proper time to disclose.


It would be unwise to give power to another campaign, allowing them to drive the narrative.
The Sanders campaign will probably release this information when they view it to be the most strategic time.




.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
16. After it's become obvious she's shot herself in the foot again.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

Miscalculated attempts at...whatever:

Kwanza
mi abuela
Bernie's gonna take away your health care
Now ageism

I'm sure there are a couple I've forgotten.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
34. OMG a box of makeup and a pixie doll. Just slathering and moisturizing and toning
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

in the sexism. Well I've got one testimonial to give back. It hasn't worked very well on her wrinkles and sagging skin. There, I said it and I'll probably get it, but I just couldn't not write that.

Oh, and I'm one year younger than she is...so no ageism in there.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
56. Grandchildren who are not real ... but when your depending on David Brock to
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jan 2016

run your campaign should anyone be surprised? I am of the opinion that we need to see the Medical Records of all Political Smear Campaigners, those who engage in creating negative slimey talking points for the purpose of winning at any cost.

I am serious, these people have a huge impact on our elections, yet we know nothing about their state of mental hearlth, there are no standards applied to them at all.

Brock, eg, had more influence on the Clinton presidency than all of those who elected him combined.

Yet there is no requirement for him to prove he is not some kind of sociopath.

Our entire system needs to be cleaned up and scum like Brock kept miles away from it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. "I have a REAL grandchild' she said after saying 'there are those who talk about their
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016

grandchildren' but 'I have a real grandchild'. Bernie's grandchildren are very real as far as I know. If she is referring to his family being adopted, that is just despicable.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
132. Yes, she did. It was astounding. Video is available I believe. As a result, people are donating
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jan 2016

$7 dollars to Bernie's campaign for each of his beautiful and 'real' grandchildren.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
111. I thought she said it was a real "exceptional" grandchild?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jan 2016

Which is bad enough, but without the word exceptional, is she saying Bernie's grand kids are just blow up dolls or something?

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
144. No, she said "extraordinary,"and
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

based on her tone and the gratuitous, not to say baffling, way it was thrown in, I think it means exactly what most think, in spite of the fact that the first search result came from Breitbart. (I didn't listen to it there, of course.)

A redditor had an innocuous explanation:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/413gpd/hillary_wasnt_attacking_bernies_grandchildren/

And I was going to go with that until I actually heard it.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/01/did-hillary-clinton-just-take-a-strange-shot-at-be.html

I'm starting to wonder if offhand personal digs are an instinct for her.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
163. I'm not sure I can tell what she meant when I listen to that
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jan 2016

but in the context of what she was talking about, there was absolutely no reason for her to say that, except possibly as a dig at Bernie. And yes, I think it's just natural for her...she is tone deaf to what she says, how she comes across. She can't help herself.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
93. calling him "a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby"
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jan 2016

when the majority of his votes have been on the other side, earning him, at most, a D- from the NRA, depending on the year.

People can take issue with the Brady bill and immunity votes in particilar, okay, but nobody who's paying attention actually thinks he is "a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby"

If you're trying to appeal to people who are considering Sanders, lying about him is a poor way to ingratiate yourself.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
97. Today, calling for new sanctions on Iran.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jan 2016

Plays right into the hands of those who fear she would be more hawkish than Obama, something she previously tried to deny. Apparently, she has shifted course and now thinks this is a winning strategy.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
100. Claiming Sanders' new ad is an "attack" ad...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

...something which resulted in that ad subsequently being played in every conversation about it. Tons of free play for that Sanders ad... which people would then see (a) wasn't much of an attack, and (b) actually made a pretty positive case for Bernie. Smart move, huh? Bernie should thank her for all the free promotion she gave him with that one.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
53. No one could be in poor health and keep Bernie's strenuous schedule.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

His chronological age may be 74 but he has the stamina of someone in their 50s and I'm sure his medical records will confirm that. Does Camp Weathervane actually think that only they are aware of his age? His vitality is clearly evident which is one reason why millions of people have made contributions to his campaign.

His knowing how the Clintons operate it could be that Bernie had anticipated this particular attack and has held back a glowing health record to play at the best possible moment.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
29. "Personnal attack"? Bullshit. Pres candidates are *expected* to release their medical records.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

And it's a serious issue if they don't.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
71. either Bernie campaign manager is stupid
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

Or he is counting on stupid support. Doesn't say much for the level of the campaign

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
86. On the Contrary
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

Jeff Weaver is a genius. Look at how he has gotten Bernie to where he is in Iowa and New Hampshire. And if you want to nitpick, nationally. Each passing day Hillary slips another notch while Bernie moves up. It takes a brilliant mind to run a national campaign. Weaver is at the top of that list.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
64. snort!
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

...that's a joke, right? Did you just forget that little "sarcasm" emoticon? Or is this one of the worst cases of projection I've seen in a long time.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
69. nope
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jan 2016

Apparently hatred of hillary is really all this shirt campaign manager has..non existent attacks. The sooner Bernie and his pathetic staff go away the betu

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
74. hillary hate?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

...who's dishing out the personal attacks seemingly at the top of every hour? It's not Bernie. He's simply cashing in on her ham handed, 90's style campaigning. But that's OK, since Bernie doesn't have Lloyd Blankfein on speed dial. I'm pretty damn sure there's not a billionaire club for Bernie. Hill on the other hand......

Oh, and stop projecting. It's very unbecoming.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
79. delusional
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jan 2016

Clearly extreme left and extreme right have a lot in common. Go peddle your fox noise garbage elsewhere it's unbecoming

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
82. Fox noise?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jan 2016

but I'm extreme left? Are you for real? Please....

Go peddle your milk toast, Republican light that's failed miserably time and time again somewhere else.

Oh, and stop projecting.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
89. Joeybee is jelous that Bernie is drawing the larger crowds to his rally's.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

You'll have to excuse his confused mind.

murielm99

(30,730 posts)
162. This whole thread is nothing but
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jan 2016

hyperbolic hatred and personal attacks against Hillary. And you deny there is Hillary hate? LOL

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
164. So anyone who disagrees with
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016

HRC on any of a large number of issues and would rather someone else be the Democratic nominee is a Hillary hater. I suppose all Obama supporters back in 2008 were just a bunch of Hillary haters. We must never, in any way, shape or form criticize the heir apparent. Glad you cleared that up for me.

murielm99

(30,730 posts)
165. You have not been reading this thread with an open mind
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jan 2016

if you can't see the hate here. In fact, this whole site has become a cesspool of Hillary hate. I have been here for a long time and never seen such hatred.

Most of it is not about issues. As far as that goes, none of our three candidates are that far apart on issues.

Have fun with your echo chamber. I am not reading any more of your posts.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
88. Apparently you're not paying attention
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jan 2016

I know you're having a hard time with words but the only thing Bernie has done for the past 8-9 months is talk about his policy proposals. You really do need to listen to his speeches from the very beginning to now. Good luck in trying to find something with "hate" associated with his speeches.

Fla Dem

(23,637 posts)
160. Politico published this supposed imminent attack based on an anonymous source. Politico is a
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jan 2016

Republican leaning publication that would like nothing better than a split in the Democratic party.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
116. I think it's brilliant. Hillary attacks. Bernie sends out a fundraising email.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

Sorry to deny her the cat and dog fight. LOL

Oh, BTW, the fundraising idea works every time. Not only brilliant but no nasty attack back. What's a Clinton to do?

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
32. Nobody from Clinton
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jan 2016

headquarters has solicited my opinion but here it is anyway.

If this proposal is implemented, it will backfire in your faces.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
33. Confused...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

...have not seen this story, but it might be due to the Iran stories. If what Mr. Weaver insinuates is true, it's over for Hillary Clinton. I believe Biden will enter the race, now, which is sad in itself...

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
57. I heard the Dems are poised to see if Hillary falters...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jan 2016

...then, believing a "socialist" has no chance in the general election, one will enter to take the nom away from Bernie. Biden is one name mentioned, by Eleanor Clift, on one of the talk shows this morning. There are probably others, but I think Biden will be the one looking to get in the race.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
96. Well, Eleanor Clift is a good reporter, but I think she's wrong if she thinks Biden.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

will change his mind at this late date & enter the race.

(BTW, I like Joe Biden a lot)

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
159. The only way anyone new, such as Biden,
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jan 2016

could possibly enter the race at this point, would be if the other three current candidates were to have something happen that meant they could no longer run.

The notion that Biden, or anyone else, could get up to speed and win enough votes/delegates for the nomination is so dumb that anyone proposing it simply does not understand diddly-squat about how the entire process works.

One would think Eleanor Clift would know better.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
134. Doubtful
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

Biden has made some sly jabs at Hillary. I don't think that either Joe or Obama like her very much, for which I can totally understand, since voters rejected her, too. Now she is at worse levels that she was in 2008.

I'll be honest with you though, If I can't have Bernie, and I can't have O'Malley, I'll take Joe. Of course, none of us would have even been having this conversation had Elizabeth Warren thrown her hat into the ring, but she made her decision and I respect that she is a powerful force exactly where she is.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
36. This is ridiculous
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jan 2016

Everyone knows tRump is the healthiest candidate. His doctor states he is so healthy that it will make your head spin

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
38. So...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

Team Hillary gets caught lying about policy and the media surprisingly actually calls her on it.


What is the next logical step?

Go after Bernie 'cause he's old.

Is Hillary trying to lose?

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
42. I just donated (again)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

Donations aren't just a means of financially supporting the Sanders campaign. The timing of the donations can really be useful as a political statement.

This seems like a good time to reassert that Sanders is my choice.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
45. Did it occur to the Hillary camp that Bernie's medical records might show him to be in better health
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

than she is? He sure seems to have more energy and stamina than anyone I know half his age. That wouldn't look good.

mattvermont

(646 posts)
46. Bernie just got another 50 from me.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

I will keep it up til the end. I cannot really afford it, as I am currently unemployed, but I have some reserve, and these are great opportunities to send a quick and strong message.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
94. I really can't wait for the GE
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie against Donald tRump. Bernie wants to run against him. I want a front row seat to that. Bernie will clean his clock. Rump is out of Bernie's league. Rump forgets he's playing with the big boys. And Bernie will always have plenty of $$$ from our donations.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
48. The act reveals the actor
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

If you are my prospective employer, you have no right to my medical records, no employer does. You have a right to know if I can perform the essential functions of the job, but even there, you must consider appropriate accommodations and assistive devices in the execution of these tasks. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Kennedy, all had very challenging health issues. None of which had any bearing on the job of leader. Inclusion is canon in the Americans with Disabilities Act, and globally in the UN Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities. This is a basic issue of civil rights. The request for medical records is predicated on the presumption that popular opinion replaces actual knowledge in decision-making. This is a rationale of ignorance, and a charmingly american beard for blatant ageism & ableism. Then there is the banal ploy itself. This strategy reveals a lack of imagination and an absence of a moral compass.

riversedge

(70,184 posts)
51. Bernie asking for money just because he was asked for his medical records. what a joke.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jan 2016

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Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
65. Funny thing from my perspective is, he's going to get that money. Ya'll are gonna be annoyed as
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

hell about it, but it is what it is.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
121. Got a problem with that? They attack, he gets money. That's what having a
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

political relationship with real, live, individual people can do. They get pissed when someone pisses on their candidate. They can send $25 or so dollars and it turns into millions. See how that works?

That tactic is a non-starter in this primary.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
145. I've been reading up on this.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880

Hmmm.. I could have sworn that article talked about when records were generally released in the past, and it wasn't this early. Perhaps someone with more prior knowledge than I can confirm or debunk that? In any case, the timing is very conveeeeeeenient.

The Bernie fundraising letter calls this a super PAC, but from what I can tell it's a plain PAC. I don't like it if they got that wrong - I'm very detal-oriented.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
122. Correction: They already have made money. Now it's kind of like...go for it Hillary
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

please, another stupid statement, just one more.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
66. I read that once before, but what struck me this time was that he didn't go howling to the
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

Press with a counter attack...say about her stroke. They just created a fundraising email from it. Oh, the irony. We're going to start hearing how much money is raised each time she goes off on one of her stupid attacks.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
68. She learned nothing from 2008.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

...still as out of touch as ever. A 90's campaign in the 21st century. Pathetic, really. What's worse is so many are falling for her tired old bullshit.

benny05

(5,322 posts)
81. I've not gotten such a message
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

Kind of strange to me...all of it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880

Politico reports that the Clinton camp has asked Brock to "chill". But of course, SuperPacs are what they are.

It's disappointing to see David Brock freaking out over bad mistakes her main campaign has made. He's not helping her cause with this type of distraction. However, the WP sent out warnings that they would go negative (since, ha ha, Sanders did it first ...right ) because of the Two Visions ad.

Iowa voters tend to be older and the young ones as well aren't likely to find this type of attack credible.




 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
95. "Hail Mary" pass.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

I wonder how many votes she just pissed away.

If she has half a brain, she's asking Brock the same thing.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
101. she doesn't really get it. It's supposed to look like ritual combat
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

something like fencing or karate, that displays advanced skills and fitness, even while scoring points

Instead she seems to go ugly, looking brutal and unprincipled. Nothing that looks skilled or particularly fit is involved, not even her among her surrogates.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
123. Kind of like showing up for a serious duel...pistols polished...and then one of the duelers
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

gets busy charging admission...and forgets about the duel leaving the other dueler a bit stunned. Then he gives a little speech they all vote for him.

Well maybe not Aesop's Fables, but there is a point.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
106. Podesta tweeted this below. Brock doesn't speak for the campaign:
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

.@davidbrockdc: Chill out. We're fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
108. They don't care. They believe anything if it's against Hillary.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

That's why they remind me of Middle School, the same level of over the top emotions and immaturity.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
138. Brock is running the SuperPAC that is coordinating with her campaign.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

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If he "doesn't speak for the campaign", then they're a massively disorganized mess.

Also, this is very much in line with Brock's previous work. Anonymously toss out some attack, so that it's "out there", while the campaign claims it would never do that kind of thing.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
103. $25. Here.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

Stupid move from the Clinton campaign.
Sanders' ads are running here in the Boston market for the NH primary. They are good positive messages on core Democratic issues. Clinton should rethink what she us doing.

Keep sliming. His funding will keep going up. Those ads will keep playing.

riversedge

(70,184 posts)
105. good grief. This is not personal nor is it any attach. Sanders should have released his
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

medical records a long time ago. Now he plays the victim!!

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
110. The ironic thing is that Hillary's campaign has not asked for his medical records.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

All the drama is over something that hasn't even occurred yet, that's the crazy part of the whole thing.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
125. Crazy like a fox...it raised money for Bernie. For Hillary, that's crazy...or at best
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

definitely unintended consequences. Who knew?

Don't forget that all of us "little people" have taken Bernie at his word and aren't going to stand for it. It didn't take him more than the staff time to write that email and haul in donations. Just read here online. No television ads. No grandstanding. Nope. Just a measly little email...to 2.5 million little people.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
107. I believe the Hillary campaign has conducted an internal poll and results show that
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie is now leading. The Hillary campaign is nervous and i agree they are are using Karl Rove,Lee Atwater,Dick Cheney style attacks.

As long as these attacks persist the more convinced voters become aware of the facts that Hillary cannot debate the real issues like wage inequality,minimum wage,infrastructure overhaul and of course Healthcare.

Bernie's advantage too..the more attacks from Hillary the more contributions he receives..


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
114. The Hillary campaign must be watching DU
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jan 2016

They picked up this one from a few members here who have been pushing this shit for awhile now.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
131. They have since "retracted the request" for Med records, and "rebuked" David Brock for 'going there'
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jan 2016

but not before the nastiness was floated into the blogosphere & press outlets.

the old "Oops! did we say that? Honest, we really didn't mean to" routine.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
133. Ad here is ammo Bernie can use back.....
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jan 2016

Why would we want to vote in a person that has lost control of her Campaign...is beholden' to those who have funded her....is surrounded by people who are going rogue with craziness?????? This is not the type of Leader that I want.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
139. Regarding Brock's non-denial denial
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:42 AM
Jan 2016

I'm thinking of how Brock writes. He claims he was not going to go after Sanders health. Huh, this is Brock so let's look at that closely.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-campaign-rebukes-top-ally-david-brock

Brock called the report “false” and said his group was never planning to go after Sanders’ health.


"never planning to go after", yeah, ok, no formal meetings were held.

"never planning to go after" right, you were going to just "raise concerns", not "go after".

But to me, the following are the words I especially took notice of.

"Sanders’ health". Ah, got you, you won't go after his health, just keeping talking about age. And being Brock it would be just endless prose hinting at not having it together, or his body falling apart.

Sure, the truth is that Sanders has been amazing, but this is Brock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

I thought he really had a life changing epiphany, I read his book, but evidently his transformation fell short of that. All things considered, it's time for lots of questioning about what he's been getting himself up to, in this election cycle.





riversedge

(70,184 posts)
146. Asking for medical records is an attack to Sanders fans as is almost anything. But today Bernie
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

said she would put them out --upcoming weeks.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
147. Weaver says this?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016

Oh good, another Bernie surrogate already known to lie and embellish the truth, to dismiss.

Weaver has irreparably damaged Bernie's candidacy. Trying to constantly paint his candidate as a weak, feckless, victim underdog, has passed its prime and is now working against Bernie.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
149. I had that story up this morning was going to copy and paste here
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

and i just went back to find it on politico.com and it has been taken down,or at least I cannot find it now.

Check Google but I cannot find it on

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
151. Too bad there isn't a test that measures indegrity..
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

They couldn't find any reason to attack Bernie's character so they attack his age.. Seniors take note...

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
154. This is completely stupid childish BS.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

Yah, well, I let everyone see my naked hoohah to prove I don't have the herpes and am therefore qualified to do the job. If you don't show everyone your naked hoohah then we can only conclude you have the herpes.

Grow up people......

Besides that ...... AGEISM????? Seriously????? Neither one of them is a spring chicken.....

kjones

(1,053 posts)
155. Hahaha
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

Step 1: Accuse Hillary campaign of coordinating with a super PAC
Step 2: Utilize newly invented avenue of attack to lash out at Hillary
Step 3: Use attack as basis of email to be sent out en masse.
Step 4: Insert line asking for donations into said email.
Step 5: Profit.

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
157. I'm no doctor, but if I had half of Bernie's energy I'd be a happy camper.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

He's 9 years older than me and I don't think I could keep his schedule.

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