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I've noticed HRC supporters have been really quiet since she channelled her inner neo-con (Original Post) Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 OP
Nah they are still to dang loud and obnoxious at least the ones still hanging out here Kalidurga Jan 2016 #1
Sometimes the strategy of alerting on every single negative HRC post backfires Major Nikon Jan 2016 #28
Probably alerted because of the spelling error in my subject line. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #32
Just got my first hide ever PDittie Jan 2016 #71
Congrats!!! erlewyne Jan 2016 #91
"I wear their scorn like a..." PDittie Jan 2016 #96
Joseth McCarthy would have been proud of Hillary Supporters erlewyne Jan 2016 #29
We are still here Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #2
I'm waiting to hear why I should vote for her after her attacks on single payer Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #3
Because 9/11. Helen Borg Jan 2016 #14
9/11 AND a gender. Don't you forget the gender! Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #16
And she represented Wall Street Kall Jan 2016 #25
I'm waiting for everyone's inner balance to kick in. Hortensis Jan 2016 #19
If Hillary plans on winning the primary the way she's going about it Kall Jan 2016 #20
IMO, that is delusional. The truth is Hillary's Hortensis Jan 2016 #27
I can't wait for the next loyalty oath demand thread. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #45
Because they agree with these positions LondonReign2 Jan 2016 #62
Early yet. Meme of the day pending... eom Purveyor Jan 2016 #4
Supposedly, the next attack will be that Bernie is old (just under 6 years older than Hillary) and merrily Jan 2016 #5
Hell, what's the problem ... he's a young man erlewyne Jan 2016 #11
He isn't a young man and she isn't a young woman. He seems healthier to me than she does. merrily Jan 2016 #17
I think they just go drinking on Saturday Proserpina Jan 2016 #6
After Hill's latest WTF, they're probably face down in the sewer grate drunk sarge43 Jan 2016 #7
Depends nxylas Jan 2016 #12
Ouch! merrily Jan 2016 #22
It's u-nanny-mouse! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #58
How did I know this was going to get alert-stalked? nxylas Jan 2016 #61
Jury "summons" are my only contact with GD P. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #63
They'll spend most of Sunday dragging out bvf Jan 2016 #8
We like watching you all fester in your echo chamber. Metric System Jan 2016 #9
+1 Amimnoch Jan 2016 #10
sanctions enid602 Jan 2016 #80
Yes. Yes he did. Don't miss the thread that posits that the whole thing was a Hillary conspiracy. Squinch Jan 2016 #85
Timing is the big issue here passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #88
This thread being a prime example of said echo chamber. Squinch Jan 2016 #35
Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #52
Like you'd listen. Pfft. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #89
I'll listen SwampG8r Jan 2016 #97
Hillary undercut the President big time jfern Jan 2016 #13
We are all at other sites OKNancy Jan 2016 #15
I am enjoying the "Why won't Hillary people talk to us? They are scum!" aspect of this thread. Squinch Jan 2016 #36
nailed it Rose Siding Jan 2016 #43
I'll talk to you. Are you bothered by the lack of honesty in the Clinton campaign? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #46
Like the age old tactic: when did you stop beating your wife? Squinch Jan 2016 #49
Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #53
There is no defense of HRC needed. Don't you get it yet? oasis Jan 2016 #66
No, apparently I don't get it, simply because I don't understand how this website's members Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #69
If Dems were all sappy about single payer, Kuchinich would have been oasis Jan 2016 #72
Mainstream Underground? beltanefauve Jan 2016 #95
And no doubt wondering why no one cares to talk to you, right? Squinch Jan 2016 #77
Hillary supporters have addressed both those issues Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #78
For what it's worth if I saw more posts like this: joshcryer Jan 2016 #74
Funny thing, up until she dropped that neocon turd in the punchbowl Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #41
I'd prefer silence... joshcryer Jan 2016 #75
Hey I like that. Bernielicious! notadmblnd Jan 2016 #83
he is not my first are second pick but i will vote for him. stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #18
I read the OPs here and go to better places to discuss them... Walk away Jan 2016 #21
Most Democrats tazkcmo Jan 2016 #31
And the few that do think it's filled with... Walk away Jan 2016 #33
HRC supporters tazkcmo Jan 2016 #34
Jumping it with jet propelled skis. mmonk Jan 2016 #23
I thought I'd let you all win the internet since it means so much to you. BainsBane Jan 2016 #24
Thank you so much for doing that.. riversedge Jan 2016 #26
Thanks for helping out, BB. Skidmore Jan 2016 #30
And that's what it's really about BainsBane Jan 2016 #40
So what are you telling people about Hillary's latest warmongering? 99Forever Jan 2016 #37
They are just being snarky in their responses because they have nothing and know it. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #51
I discuss issues that voters raise BainsBane Jan 2016 #93
Yay, Bains! Thank you! Squinch Jan 2016 #38
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jan 2016 #42
Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #54
What attacks on single payer? BainsBane Jan 2016 #55
Bernie voted against the Iraq war that created ISIS. Hillary voted for it. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #56
Seems someone has their fingers in their ears and... 99Forever Jan 2016 #60
You're wrong here: one_voice Jan 2016 #81
The Obama administration just implemented sanctions on Iran BainsBane Jan 2016 #92
I admire your response even though it will be mostly ignored Lucinda Jan 2016 #94
:-) Empowerer Jan 2016 #67
I had a mean, tired, ready for her pension first grade teacher. Cary Jan 2016 #39
Nice. Did ignoring the teacher's requests catch on with the rest of the class? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #48
They're busy attacking Sanders's health. jeff47 Jan 2016 #44
The U.S. Imposes New Sanctions on Iran After Prisoner Exchange Alfresco Jan 2016 #47
. Squinch Jan 2016 #50
I'm sure all the DUers mcar Jan 2016 #57
Looks to me like Hillary is pretty much in sync with comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #64
She was right. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #59
Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #65
Nice way to sidestep your bogus op. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #68
My husband, who just changed his support to Bernie last week, told me Vinca Jan 2016 #70
That is exactly how Hillary supporters feel about Sanders... Walk away Jan 2016 #73
Actually, I'm a Hillary supporter. I do like Sanders quite a bit. I find many of his followers to be Squinch Jan 2016 #76
I have never been a Sander's fan. Walk away Jan 2016 #82
I don't. I think he is throwing out liberal ideas and putting them into the public's lexicon, and I Squinch Jan 2016 #84
I don't think giving an anti-Democratic Party fringe candidate who... Walk away Jan 2016 #90
We are not taking flamebait these days. FarPoint Jan 2016 #79
You do realize that President Obama just imposed the same sanctions mentioned by Hillary Clinton? Gothmog Jan 2016 #86
I guess you think that Obama is "warmongering" too. Beacool Jan 2016 #87
"Class" is clearly lacking in the Clinton camp. elias49 Jan 2016 #98
They had to go to the mothership to get shitty talking points. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #99

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. Nah they are still to dang loud and obnoxious at least the ones still hanging out here
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:06 AM
Jan 2016

They are playing double down triple down and f'n talking both sides of every f'n issue.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
28. Sometimes the strategy of alerting on every single negative HRC post backfires
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jan 2016

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Nah they are still to dang loud and obnoxious at least the ones still hanging out here
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PDittie

(8,322 posts)
71. Just got my first hide ever
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jan 2016

It was 4-3, but still...

They're here, lurking, trying to systematically eliminate their challengers and opponents. It feels tightly organized and coordinated, and I would have thought that outlandish and even a little paranoid before it happened to me.

I just don't see how these divisions are going to be mended after the nomination is decided. This cycle has a totally different dynamic than anything in Democratic political history over the past 40 or so years -- my personal adult history, that is -- that I can compare it to (Kennedy and Carter in 1980 comes close, upon reflection). There's always been squabbling between left and right wings, yes, but the antagonism is so amplified now by social media and online conversations such as here.

Maybe it'll all blow over, but I have grave doubts.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
91. Congrats!!!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

I even got blocked recently .... caught me by surprise.
It was their loss. I did not intend to be hurtful.

well, keep up the good work.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
29. Joseth McCarthy would have been proud of Hillary Supporters
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jan 2016

Please do not discourage them and you HRC supporters, please
don't quit ... Hillary won't. Great coffee this morning!!!

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
3. I'm waiting to hear why I should vote for her after her attacks on single payer
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:22 AM
Jan 2016

and demanding Iran sanctions put back on.

If I wanted a Republican, I'd vote Republican.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. I'm waiting for everyone's inner balance to kick in.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:53 AM
Jan 2016

Maybe after the primary when attention shifts to the general?

Kall

(615 posts)
20. If Hillary plans on winning the primary the way she's going about it
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jan 2016

then no, it won't. And it shouldn't. Say Anything was a movie, not a Democratic campaign slogan.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. IMO, that is delusional. The truth is Hillary's
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jan 2016

the frontrunner with enormous advantages Bernie still has to overcome.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
62. Because they agree with these positions
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

Our centrist pragmatists are far more comfortable on the right-of-center side than the left-of-center side.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Supposedly, the next attack will be that Bernie is old (just under 6 years older than Hillary) and
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:16 AM
Jan 2016

sick.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
11. Hell, what's the problem ... he's a young man
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jan 2016

They do not want us to collect the Social Security
we paid for because we should work until we are 80.

And cut this neo con Iran sanction stuff. Hillary
is not suffering dementia. She would not promote
sanctions against Iran. The voters do not want
war and she's not that disconnected!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. He isn't a young man and she isn't a young woman. He seems healthier to me than she does.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:48 AM
Jan 2016

In her shoes, I would not bring up either of those issues because O"Malley is the only Democratic candidate they would seem to help.

Then again, they don't pay me the big bucks to run a campaign, so what do I know?

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
7. After Hill's latest WTF, they're probably face down in the sewer grate drunk
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:24 AM
Jan 2016

However, as I have most of them in the Ignore box, that's just a guess.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
58. It's u-nanny-mouse!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016
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nxylas

(6,440 posts)
61. How did I know this was going to get alert-stalked?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

The result was pretty much what I expected too. Edited to add: but thanks to the jurors anyway.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
8. They'll spend most of Sunday dragging out
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:28 AM
Jan 2016

the same old canards (how long has it been since the Bernie-is-sexist crap was last regurgitated?) to deflect attention from Clinton's war dance until after the debate tonight (which, of course, she's already won).

Make this the second thread I've bookmarked today in anticipation of some good laughs.

enid602

(8,524 posts)
80. sanctions
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

Why are some people still talking about Hill's stance on sanctions? Didn't the Prez just approve sanctions, confirming Hill's suggestion that they are in order? How does this even benefit the Bernie Bunker?

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
85. Yes. Yes he did. Don't miss the thread that posits that the whole thing was a Hillary conspiracy.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

I kid you not, there is one.

Not really clear on how it benefits the Bernie Bunker, but I think they are saying that sanctions amount to war mongering (Seriously? Yes. I think they are serious.)

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
88. Timing is the big issue here
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jan 2016
Negotiations in December over the prisoner exchange delayed the US Treasury's imposition of the latest sanctions.

They were only announced once the plane containing the former prisoners had left Iran, reports said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

When did the planes leave and when did Hillary mouth off about sanctions? Did she know the planes left and the prisoners were safely out of Iran before she voiced her concerns that they still needed sanctions?

(CNN)A plane carrying three of the four Americans freed by Iran as part of a prisoner swap landed in Germany after a brief stop in Switzerland on Sunday, two White House officials said.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/middleeast/iran-jason-rezaian-prisoners-freed/
There was still one prisoner not on this plane, but:

White House officials said earlier Sunday that recently detained student Matthew Trevithick was released -- but not as part of the prisoner swap -- and had left Iran.


So when did Hillary make her statement about more sanctions?

Jan 16 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Saturday praised the release of Americans held by Iran, but urged new sanctions on Tehran over its ballistic missile testing program.

"I am greatly relieved by the safe return of American prisoners from Iran," the former U.S. secretary of state said in a statement following announcements of a historic and multi-faceted deal between Iran and the United States.

She said if she were elected president in November, her approach to Iran would be "to distrust and verify."

Clinton added: "Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve."


http://www.reuters.com/article/iran-nuclear-clinton-idUSL2N1500QQ

Hillary jumped the shark on this and could have put the prisoners at risk, as they had not yet been flown out of Iran, if I'm reading this correctly.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
35. This thread being a prime example of said echo chamber.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jan 2016

You know, those Bernie kids, they're SO popular!

jfern

(5,204 posts)
13. Hillary undercut the President big time
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:26 AM
Jan 2016

He ended some sanctions, and she immediately called for new sanctions. She stood with her fellow NY Senator, Chuck Schumer, in being a saber rattling warmonger.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
49. Like the age old tactic: when did you stop beating your wife?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

Not really the question of someone who has any interest in conversation.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
53. Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

I'll keep waiting because I know there is no defense for it.

Remember, your candidate voted for the Iraq War.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
66. There is no defense of HRC needed. Don't you get it yet?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

Her policies are more aligned with mainstream Americans. That's where the votes are.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
69. No, apparently I don't get it, simply because I don't understand how this website's members
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jan 2016

can support center-right candidates.

How can people support someone who is against universal single payer and showed her warmongering by voting for the Iraq War and demanding more sanctions that only hurt the people of a country and not the government?

oasis

(49,150 posts)
72. If Dems were all sappy about single payer, Kuchinich would have been
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

our nominee back in 2004. And btw, "warmongering" John Kerry was our choice back then.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
78. Hillary supporters have addressed both those issues
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jan 2016

I know I have, as have others. I don't feel like repeating myself today, since I have to go finish a project now, but I at least want to mention that we have explained her war vote as well as her concerns with Bernie's health care ideas. So your suggestion that you're "still waiting" for Hillary supporters to address those issues suggests that you've not been paying attention.

The problem is that (some) Bernie supporters are so stuck in the rhetoric of "she's a bloodthristy warmonger/neocon" and "she is a lying lier who tells lies about St. Bernie's fabulous health care plan" that they can't hear what we have to say. Your foregone conclusion that "you know there is no defense for it" suggests that you're not really open to hear the message you say you've been waiting for.



joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
74. For what it's worth if I saw more posts like this:
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141316608#post28

I would have changed my mind.

But it was awfully quiet yesterday from Clinton supporters. It's all good though. Props to Clinton's team for a clever move.
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
41. Funny thing, up until she dropped that neocon turd in the punchbowl
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jan 2016

the Clinton faction was swarming all over here demanding medical records, attacking Harry Truman's healthcare plan, doing their best to keep up with directives from HQ. I guess the bombiran twist was just a bit much.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
75. I'd prefer silence...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jan 2016

...to hair brained defensive crap like over the data breach or BLM where I disagreed with every single supporter spouting illogical contortions and hate screeds.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
83. Hey I like that. Bernielicious!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016

Did you happen to see the video posted where ladies sing "He's a man, he's a man, he's a mighty good man?" That was really clever and cute too.

Seriously though, I'm going to steal Bernielicious, I think it's adorable.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
24. I thought I'd let you all win the internet since it means so much to you.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jan 2016

I've been busy phone banking to Iowa.

riversedge

(69,715 posts)
26. Thank you so much for doing that..
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jan 2016

I will be doing that when my state gets geared up--which is not till later. I enjoy the door to door canvasing also.
Have a nice day.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
30. Thanks for helping out, BB.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jan 2016

It is a busy time. I have been helping out with organizing in my precinct. Not much free time to pay attention to the foolishness here. A quick read is enough.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
40. And that's what it's really about
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jan 2016

We can go back and forth here for eternity, and it amounts to naught. We've got caucuses and primaries to focus on.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
37. So what are you telling people about Hillary's latest warmongering?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jan 2016

How about her new found hatred of Universal Health aka Medicare for All?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
51. They are just being snarky in their responses because they have nothing and know it.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jan 2016

They can't defend warmongering and the attacks on single payer.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
93. I discuss issues that voters raise
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

and none of those have come up. Even the most disengaged voters have to know single payer isn't a possibility. Bernie himself declared it a non-starter in 2009, when we had a Democratic majority in both houses. Fortunately, I'm not faced with having to defend a politician who makes promises he knows full well he can't keep.

Hillary's statements on foreign policy stack up well against Bernie's any day. The key difference is not in "warmongering," as you call it, because Bernie also supports coalition-based military action against ISIS. The difference is in knowledge. Clinton knows, for example, the difference between Jordan and Turkey and Sunni and Shia. She doesn't make laughable statements having to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia joining together to fight ISIS. A friend of mine told a Middle Eastern guy she knows that Bernie proposed that, and the guy broke out laughing. That degree of lack of familiarity with the history and politics of the region is disconcerting--particularly from someone who has served in federal office for some 25 years!

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
54. Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jan 2016

Instead of making snarky, meaningless attacks on my thread.

Defend her positions please. Tell me how she is a Democrat while spouting neo-con POVs.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
55. What attacks on single payer?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

And if Clinton is a warmonger, so is Bernie. He supports the same coalition-based military action against ISIS that Clinton does.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
56. Bernie voted against the Iraq war that created ISIS. Hillary voted for it.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/11/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-bernie-sanders-plan-single-payer-healthcare

Hillary's attacks on single payer.

Hillary comes out to demand more sanctions on Iran, undercutting Obama completely.

EPIC FAIL!!! For her, and you!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
60. Seems someone has their fingers in their ears and...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jan 2016

... is yelling "lalalalalalalalalalala I CAN'T HEAR YOU !!!"


Another Camp Weathervane Epic Fail.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
81. You're wrong here:
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jan 2016
Hillary comes out to demand more sanctions on Iran, undercutting Obama completely.


I watched Obama this morning when he had his press conference and it would appear they agree..
Obama:

Yet underscoring the strain that continues to exist between the U.S. and Iran, the Obama administration also announced new penalties Sunday on 11 individuals and entities involved in Tehran's ballistic missile program.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-17/obama-claims-credit-for-smart-diplomacy


Hilllary:


“Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve,” she said.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/266173-clinton-calls-for-new-sanctions-on-iran


I'm an O'Malley supporter that finds the nastiness displayed in this thread a reason to stay away from DU. *Accusing Hillary supporters of being drunk faced down in a gutter...really? Classy.

*a comment in this thread.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
92. The Obama administration just implemented sanctions on Iran
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

on certain organizations and individuals. That's one strike. Obviously Clinton knew that was in the works. She follows foreign policy closely, knows key actors and disputes. She doesn't just spout stuff off out of nowhere.

This isn't 2001. If you think Bernie isn't willing to use military force against ISIS, you haven't been paying attention at all. He has made it clear he does, only he has an absurd notion that he can get Saudi Arabia and Iran to put aside centuries of enmity to take on ISIS together. The notion is ludicrous and shows a frighteningly poor knowledge of the foreign policy and the history of the region. You'll have to excuse me if I want a president who knows the difference between Sunni and Shia, or Jordan and Turkey.

The link you provide is an attack on taxes on the middle class, which only worsens the already skewed income distribution. The article contains no quote of Clinton attacking single payer. All of that is the editorial comments of the writers, not at all supported by their own evidence in the article. Hillary was the one who tried to implement universal healthcare. She has done FAR more for healthcare than Bernie. Bernie talks a lot but didn't lift a finger to press the issue of single payer when the Democrats had the majority in 2009. In fact he declared it dead in the water then. I'm not stupid enough to believe he even thinks he can now magically implement it with a GOP House and Senate. It's campaign rhetoric. Nothing more. I put zero stock in empty promises from politicians, and the more grandiose their promises the less I believe them.

Then there is another point. I don't owe you or any stranger on the internet explanations for my vote. I am not Hillary Clinton. My views are not identical to hers. I don't post threads demanding Bernie supporters take responsibility for gun violence in America and immunity for the corporate gun lobby, though I've seen plenty defend all of that simply because Bernie takes the position. I don't reshape my political views to accommodate politicians. I make a decision to vote based on who I think is most qualified, and there is absolutely no question that Clinton is far more competent and qualified.

Bernie knows full well he wouldn't be able to get virtually any of what he promises enacted if, by some miracle, he became President. The sad thing few of you even care about that. There is nothing I can do about any of that. And frankly, I don't give half a shit who you vote for. I will cast my vote and do what I can to get the only competent person elected. Whatever the rest of you do is entirely up to you.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
39. I had a mean, tired, ready for her pension first grade teacher.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:37 AM - Edit history (1)

One day she called me up to her desk and I refused to go. She gave me a note to summon my mother to class. My mother came to school and the teacher told her that I wasn't getting breakfast and had no energy to come up to her desk when called

My mother assessed the information and told tbe teacher no, it wasn't a matter of energy. He refuses to come up to your desk because you're nasty and he doesn't want to talk to you.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
44. They're busy attacking Sanders's health.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

(While also being unaware of their candidate's two blood clots, family history of stroke, and unexplained fainting spells.)

mcar

(42,209 posts)
57. I'm sure all the DUers
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jan 2016

Who posted smears of HRC about this issue will quickly delete their posts and apologize. Then we can get back to a discussion of real issues.

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
64. Looks to me like Hillary is pretty much in sync with
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

Obama on Iran policy. Not really surprising since she was his Secretary of State.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
65. Still waiting for HRC people to defend attacks on single payer and her warmongering
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

Sanctions do nothing but hurt the people of the country.

Sanctions haven't stopped North Korea or most other "regimes" we don't like.

So, why should I vote for a "Democrat" who voted for the Iraq War that created ISIS, attacks single payer and supports the same ideas Republican neo-cons support?

Why not just vote for a Republican?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
68. Nice way to sidestep your bogus op.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

She was right and so was the president.

You should actually read the link and you will see they are not designed to hurt the nation.

You were wrong and Hillary was right.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
70. My husband, who just changed his support to Bernie last week, told me
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jan 2016

he had a "Carly Fiorina" moment when Hillary started talking on one of the Sunday shows today. What that means is that he can't even stand to listen to her anymore and turns down the sound until she's off the screen. I was doing some baking (jalapeno cheddar rolls anyone?) in the kitchen and was listening in there and kind of had the same response only with doughy hands I was stuck listening. I had expected I might begin to like Hillary a little more as things went along, but the reverse is happening. I think Chelsea's less-than-truthful performance was the tipping point.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
73. That is exactly how Hillary supporters feel about Sanders...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

The sight of him on TV make everyone in my house groan and reach for the remote.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
76. Actually, I'm a Hillary supporter. I do like Sanders quite a bit. I find many of his followers to be
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

loons with a middle school mentality, though.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
84. I don't. I think he is throwing out liberal ideas and putting them into the public's lexicon, and I
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

think there is value to that.

I just don't see anything practical from him in terms of plans that make any sense.

We can't afford an "ideas" guy in the White House. We need someone who can do the nitty gritty and inch the ball as far as it is able to go, rather than the cheerleader who is loud but doesn't move the ball at all.

Also, and I am sure the vultures will swoop on this one, I'd love to see a competent woman in the White House, and I think Hillary is that.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
90. I don't think giving an anti-Democratic Party fringe candidate who...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jan 2016

wants to sue the DNC in the middle of an election season any credence at all, is bizarre and counter productive.

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
79. We are not taking flamebait these days.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jan 2016

There are many other Democratic Discussion Boards to utilize where the focus is about real Democratic Candidates.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
86. You do realize that President Obama just imposed the same sanctions mentioned by Hillary Clinton?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

Sec. Clinton was correct to mention these sanctions

I do not want Iran to develop a ballistic missile program

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
87. I guess you think that Obama is "warmongering" too.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

As the U.S. just imposed the sanctions that Hillary was referring to:

Iran: US imposes new sanctions over missile test

The US has imposed fresh sanctions on Iranian companies and individuals over a recent ballistic missile test.

The new sanctions prevent 11 entities and individuals linked to the missile programme from using the US banking system.

The move came after international nuclear sanctions on Iran were lifted as part of a deal hailed by President Barack Obama on Sunday as "smart".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

Of course no one will have the grace to rescind their previous comments. Class is not in abundance on this board.....


 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
98. "Class" is clearly lacking in the Clinton camp.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jan 2016

That troubles me more than voices on an internet forum.

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