Float an attack. Get it out there, then deny it.

[cali]

A time tested tactic.

Brock got out what he wanted to get out: Bernie Sanders is too old and decrepit to be President. And if he's not sick now, he will be.

Then walk it back. Who us? Of course we wouldn't do any such thing!

So typically Clintonian.

But hours later, after this report was published and Brock's planned tactics were widely criticized on Twitter, campaign chairman John Podesta distanced himself from the surrogate’s attack.

“@DavidBrockDC chill out,” Podesta tweeted Saturday night. “We’re fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880#ixzz3xViP7ctZ

[Gman]

1. Get over it

It's called politics and Sanders has faults that need to be exposed and exploited.

[cali]

2. Hey I don't mind it, it just makes her campaign and by extension

Hillary herself, look petty, desperate and small.

[Duckhunter935]

3. yep

[erlewyne]

28. Who's that girl Bernie boy Bernie Boy

Who's that girl Bernie boy?

She's a young thing and cannot leave her mother!

[dorkzilla]

46. LOL i sing that song to my dogs all the time

but I say “puppy boy, puppy boy”. My husband thinks I’m nuts.

[erlewyne]

80. Thanks dorkzilla

I just got off the cold walking trail - beautiful snow this AM.

And it came to me .... "Billy boy"!


Can she tell a boldfaced lie,
Charmin' Bernie, Charmin' Bernie,
Can she tell a boldfaced lie,
Charming Bernie?


Oh she can ..... tell a bold-faced lie
faster than a cat can wink his eye
She's a young thing and can not leave her mother!

We sang cadence in the infantry, marching and training for 'Nam (back in '67)

P.S.
each morning I give a few (4) outside dogs a treat on my way to
the trail. Tomorrow I will sing puppy boys


LOL

[dorkzilla]

152. Hahaha! It’s a good song to make up lyrics for

My version usually partly goes thusly:

Where have you been, puppy boy, puppy boy?
Oh where have you been, charming puppy?
I was back in the house
I was hunting a mouse
I’m a young boy who cannot leave his mommmmmeeeeee

[ybbor]

9. Do you mean "pretty" or "petty"?

I think your autocorrect has been failing you. I've noticed it multiple times.

On topic, yes it does make her appear all of those things.

[left-of-center2012]

14. Hillary herself, look pretty, desperate and small.

pretty? Or "petty"?

[Punkingal]

29. .They are petty, desperate and small.

And they have only just begun.

[Proserpina]

37. And sick, too.

Pointing a finger at Bernie just draws attention to Hillary's own health issues.

[Thor_MN]

48. By that logic, the crap posted by any supporter sticks to the candidate...

Mirrors kinda suck, hmmm??

[delrem]

72. You do realize that David Brock isn't just "any supporter".

He runs a superpac that, because of a loophole in the rules, is allowed to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton's campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

"How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign:

"Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to work in tight conjunction with an independent rapid-response group financed by unlimited donations, another novel form of political outsourcing that has emerged as a dominant practice in the 2016 presidential race.
...
...Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation.
...
The rules “totally exempt individuals who engage in political activity on the Internet from the restrictions of the campaign finance laws. The exemption for individual Internet activity in the final rules is categorical and unqualified,” then-FEC Chairman Michael E. Toner said at the time,"

Cool eh? They can work directly with "content posted online for free, such as blogs".

[SusanCalvin]

141. Thanks for the explanation.

Money in politics continues to run amok.

[yurbud]

78. sadly true

[pangaia]

131. She is all of that.

Really sad.
But...

[polly7]

11. Medical 'faults'? Such as?? Or is it just the ageism? nt.

[TheBlackAdder]

44. Brock raised the, "Who will make the best SEPTUAGENARIAN President?" Highlighting both's age. nt

[tazkcmo]

30. And his health is a fault?

What evidence do you have of this? What signs of poor health has Sen Senders exhibited to prompt this call for his medical records while ignoring Sec Clinton's documented issues?

[magical thyme]

64. Ha!Ha! Nothing to get over. Can't wait for the backlash.

Brock is a slow learner.

[Motown_Johnny]

65. It is dirty politics and if he has faults then point them out.

This was no where near pointing out anything resembling a fault.

[Gman]

79. Politics IS dirty

You don't know that?

[Motown_Johnny]

85. Not Bernie's brand it isn't.

Maybe you should vote for a non-dirty politician, just once. If Hillary wins you may never have another opportunity. Take advantage of it while you can.

[Gman]

95. I vote for the best

And Hillary is head and shoulders above anybody else right now.

[Motown_Johnny]

105. No fly zone in Syria, new sanctions against Iran....

Head and shoulders above the rest?

[polly7]

109. Just reading this literally makes my stomach sink. nt.

[Motown_Johnny]

114. And this is supposed to be a liberal board...

Un

Freaking

Believable

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cassiopeia]

112. Well,

If you work in the MIC, HIC, or Wall Street she probably is the best.

As for everyone else in the country, they would have to be low info voters to actually believe that.

[SammyWinstonJack]

125. Nuts isn't it?

[Gman]

169. Hardy jar har

You were saying what about new sanctions?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/18/world/middleeast/three-freed-americans-depart-iran-one-remains-us-officials-say.html?_r=0&referer=http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027538285

[Motown_Johnny]

172. That doesn't mean I support it.

Lets see how this shakes out.

Right now it would seem as if Hillary had some privileged information on this one. It is a little go exact to be a coincidence.

[JonLeibowitz]

185. That doesn't prove what you claim it does.

Some citizens and companies is not the country of Iran as HRC said.

[murielm99]

205. Yes, let's split hairs,

as long as it makes Bernie look good and HRC look bad. It does prove exactly what he claims it proves.

[pangaia]

133. YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES YES YES !!!!



Did I say YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?

[Motown_Johnny]

139. Yes, you did. Several times.

Thanks

[840high]

202. I've know that - that is

why I'm supporting bernie - he is not dirty.

[Bettie]

67. Age is now a fault?

that seems like reaching. One cannot avoid aging, it happens to all of us, unless we're dead.

[Gman]

74. Yeah well, Obama supporters made Hillary's age an issue in 08

So I guess things change out of convenience.

[Bettie]

81. In '08, I thought the age attack was wrong as well

just because someone else did it in the past, doesn't make it suddenly the right thing to do.

[Gman]

88. Well apparently people want it both ways.

Should have never attacked her age back then.

[Bettie]

104. Did Bernie attack her age in '08?

Because I don't recall that.

And so, now anything goes because "someone else might have done it"?

Is she going to start having her surrogates go out and ask when Bernie stopped beating his wife because someone else might have used that at some point as well?

Or is this just another pile of sour grapes about how this was supposed to be a coronation and people are angry that there are other candidates in what was supposed to be a one person race?

[Gman]

113. Bernie wasn't running then

And refused any affiliation with the Democratic Party.

Many of the people here were very vocal about Hillary's age in 08. Now they apparently want it both ways.

[Bettie]

122. Well, I was not one of those people

I have said as much.

Age is a fact of life. As we live, we age. None of the candidates on either side should be disqualified because of age.

There are plenty of other arguments to be made, so I wonder why that choice was made.

"He did it first (points to other person)" isn't a good argument and certainly doesn't add to the discourse at all.

[Gman]

168. I couldn't agree more

And I'm just pointing how ridiculous Sanders supporters here are. They have zero credibility.

[Bettie]

197. I'm supporting Sanders in my caucus

And a lot of the former Obama supporters are now Clinton supporters.

Look, I get that many of the Clinton people are angry that, well, anyone else is running. It was supposed to be "her turn" and it is difficult for them to accept that this won't be a coronation. She's going to have to work for it and her candidacy is not written in stone.

If she found ageist attacks to be unsavory when they were directed at her, you'd think she'd avoid the same by herself or her surrogates.

Also, just because you disagree with my choice of PRIMARY candidate does not make me ridiculous or non-credible. It makes me a person whose opinion on which candidate I would prefer to see become the presidential candidate.

No one is inevitable.

[Bluenorthwest]

149. Here is the crafty Sanders refusing any affilitation with Democrats in 2006 using the sly tactic of

refusing affiliation with Democrats by making a huge point of public endorsements by Democrats. This is similar to the clever way he refused any affiliation with Democrats in the House by co-founding the largest Democratic Caucus in the Congress.

[A Simple Game]

200. Many people here that didn't support Hillary in '08 support her now, what's your point.

Funny all the things they said against her back then don't seem to matter now. Care to guess why?

[Oilwellian]

216. Except Bernie has caucused with Democrats his entire career

Hyperbole much?

I was a supporter of Obama in 2008 and didn't have a problem with Hillary's age, I had a problem with her policies. Still do.

[Gman]

217. Was he going to caucus with the Socialists?

[pangaia]

135. OBAMA attacked her age. NOT Sanders?

Do you understand the difference?

try again/

[Gman]

154. I'll make it clear so that even you can understand

Obama supporters here on DU attacked Hillary's age in 08. Those same people now fake this ridiculous outrage about Sanders'age being attacked. None of them are sincere about anything except hating Hillary.

[HubertHeaver]

210. I think you are spinning so much you've gone dizzy.

[Uponthegears]

94. Can't argue

about exposing faults being part of politics, but are you seriously saying Bernie's age is a fault?

[Gman]

98. Nope

Just saying it's fair game.

[Uponthegears]

163. I have to tell

you, that seems like a slippery slope. I understand we are going to hear "Bernie's age" arguments from the TeaOP if he is nominated (and Trump isn't their nominee) and maybe Bernie supporters need to be able to defend against it. My problem is that, as between we Democrats, fighting tooth and nail over issues which are NOTHING but RW talking points (whether they be Bernie's age or Hillary's fall), raises the temperature at DU more than it prepares either of our front runners for the general election.

There have to be better things to argue about.

[Gman]

166. I definitely agree there are better issues to argue about.

But when Sanders supporters copy and paste attacks on Hillary from right wing websites they have little credibility on issues anyway. Then you get this kind of bickering. They reduced the debate to this.

[Uponthegears]

175. Well

at least you and I are better than that!

[Gman]

176. ...

[Uponthegears]

177. ...

[SusanCalvin]

144. Well, it doesn't look like his health is one of them.

I don't think I could keep up his schedule.

[artislife]

147. 6 years and by h supporters own admission

her road has been tougher. Who is more likely to have a stressed out body? heh. her.

[Gman]

156. You should not argue that your candidate

Does nothing worth stressing over. It doesn't make him look good. There are other good angles you can use.

[artislife]

170. You shouldn't argue for you candidate. It makes you look bad. nt

[silenttigersong]

190. Really

I am sure once all the shit of dirty politics hits the fan you will be saying get overit right,or its a right wing conspiracy,the list goes on and on.The Clintons have so many enemies.you better put on goggles when that shit storm happens.

[Fawke Em]

193. Ironically, it's Hillary who probably has worse health.

So, I hope you'll get over it when we question her well-known health issues after her surrogates started this crap.

[Gman]

195. You obviously don't realize how much damage Ssnders supporters

do to Sanders. It appears to be a classic good guy bad guy game where Sanders is this nice old guy and his supporters do the dirty work Ssnders doesn't want to appear to do. At least Trump is up front about it.

[840high]

201. I certainly hope you're

exploring Hillary's faults and expose them.

[chervilant]

212. Oh, for Heaven's sake!

I am SURE I put you on my IL!

(Good luck with finding all those "faults" you feel "need to be exposed and exploited.&quot

[Gregorian]

4. Jesus, they're practically the same age!

Speaking of age, I turned 60 this morning, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm in the best shape of my life, but... Kind of sad.

[BlueJazz]

24. Happy Birthday. My father turned 60 yesterday and does stuff/things that even wear ME out.

[dorkzilla]

51. Happy birthday!

I turned 50 in August, honestly it feels like someone has played a joke on me. I don’t feel any different than i did in my 20’s but the old lady staring back at me in the mirror tells me I should.

I refuse to stop being a goofball.

[Bettie]

70. I'll hit 50 this summer

and the punchline is that I have a seven year old.

People always laugh when I say that, but I don't feel 50...most days I don't even feel 40!

But that old lady is staring at me too.

[1monster]

145. The good news is that women who have babies after about 33 tend to live

longer and healthier than those who have them before that.

(I think we live longer just because we want to make sure our children can make it without us. )

[Fawke Em]

194. I'm with you. I just turned 46 and have an 8 year old.

Oh, my aching back!

[Gregorian]

77. Thanks! That's what I was looking to hear.

I didn't mean to turn this into my thread, but for years 60 has been a magical marker that defines young from old. But it is just a marker, and we can be young of spirit.

To be honest, it feels like I'm staring my life. But that's a long story.

[pangaia]

136. The mirror lies!! Don't look.

Just live.

[INdemo]

52. 60 is not bad..How fast does time fly?

when you wake up tomorrow you will be 70
60 is not old 70 is not old for that matter just have to eat healthy and exercise.

[1monster]

140. I sympathize! I'm just a few weeks behind you...

My mind says, "I don't feel old at all!" My body says, "Let's see what I can do to change your mind."

I'm not in the best shape in my life, but I can place both palms on the floor with my feet about shoulder-length apart and squat left, center, and right with no problem. I was in a group of about 10 to 12 high-schoolers and none of them could even touch their toes without bending their knees!

Just remember, the alternative to getting older is rather final...

[ucrdem]

5. Can you post evidence of such an attack?

Not rumors in Politico, evidence. Thanks.

[cali]

8. sure.

<snip>
But hours later, after this report was published and Brock's planned tactics were widely criticized on Twitter, campaign chairman John Podesta distanced himself from the surrogate’s attack.

“@DavidBrockDC chill out,” Podesta tweeted Saturday night. “We’re fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880#ixzz3xViP7ctZ

[ucrdem]

12. That's not an attack on Sanders nor evidence of such an attack.

It's evidence of a rumor of an attack. The rumor, I'll give you.

[cali]

18. Oh, please. Why would he publicly tell him to cut it out?

[ucrdem]

22. Because Politico published a rumor. nt

[Fuddnik]

57. Don't waste your electrons.

He's/she's been chasing that dog for days....

[DisgustipatedinCA]

148. Intellectually dishonest statements are no longer permitted here.

This subsection is for veterans of politics. As such, there's no question in serious peoples' minds about how a national candidate's surrogates operate. You need to post a little bit more defensible content.

[randome]

6. Is every candidate responsible for every utterance of their supporters?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[ucrdem]

7. Brock denies it.

The Politico article names two sources: Michael Briggs and Tad Devine, both of whom work for Sanders. Other than their claims there's no evidence that Brock was planning such an attack.

[cali]

13. Lol. Yeah. Pedestal tweeted rebuking him for it 'cuz...

Hang it up. You're embarrassing yourself. Kind of painful to watch.

But hours later, after this report was published and Brock's planned tactics were widely criticized on Twitter, campaign chairman John Podesta distanced himself from the surrogate’s attack.

“@DavidBrockDC chill out,” Podesta tweeted Saturday night. “We’re fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880#ixzz3xViP7ctZ

[ucrdem]

17. You don't seem to be taking this well. nt

[cali]

20. um, that would be you. Denying fact.

[ucrdem]

27. Here are the facts:

[Hiraeth]

32. ... and ... Brock would know: politiics as usual, for sure. Disappointed in Bernie?

He must cry himself to sleep with what goes on with the HRC campaign. sheesh.

[Fuddnik]

60. He should go back to writing books about Anita Hill.

He's been coming loose lately.

[Hiraeth]

90. lately seems that whole campaign is getting loose at the seams.

[SMC22307]

184. According to the anti-Sanders Brigade, yes.

Is the Bravenak-led hysteria over Seattle ringing any bells? Elections are won or lost based on supporters1!!!!!!!!!!1a1

[MrMickeysMom]

208. Results of your Jury Service...

Well, I guess it's confirmed once more... Yes, Virginia, there really IS an anti-Sanders Brigade...

On Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

According to the anti-Sanders Brigade, yes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1019648

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Call out on a DUer, it is a personal attack. "bravenak-led hysteria" that she cannot defend herself here as she is on time out is a low attack so typical of BS supporters. Try saying that to her face. Hide this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:17 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: From Day One, call outs have been a no no at Democratic Underground. For the sake of this site's integrity, let's hope it continues to be enforced.
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Explanation: Got to be kidding with this alert... This is supposed to be a call out?

[SMC22307]

222. Thanks for sharing. (n/t)

[George II]

10. Brock never said that, but I see you're taking your own advice....

..."Float an attack. Get it out there, then deny it."

[ucrdem]

15. Bingo.

"Clintonian" is not the word that comes to mind. . .

[cali]

16. And that's why Podesta publicly rebuked him?

But hours later, after this report was published and Brock's planned tactics were widely criticized on Twitter, campaign chairman John Podesta distanced himself from the surrogate’s attack.

“@DavidBrockDC chill out,” Podesta tweeted Saturday night. “We’re fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880#ixzz3xViP7ctZ

[ucrdem]

19. "after this report was published"

Once the rumor hit the wires Podesta did a rapid-response but there's still no evidence that the rumor was true.

[George II]

21. But you can't quote what David Brock said, can you?

[cali]

31. New to politics?

[George II]

33. Why do you ask? The subject was what David Brock said, or didn't say. But....

I've been involved in politics for 50+ years, the first campaign in which I participated was the NYC Mayoral Election Campaign back in 1965.

Now, can you direct us to what exactly David Brock said?

[Cary]

218. Apparently Cali cannot

Interesting.

[George II]

220. Yes, indeed - "Float an attack. Get it out there."

[Cary]

221. Of course I would never, ever suggest such a thing of Cali

That wouldn't be civil and it would justify all of the gaslighting that goes on here.

[KittyWampus]

36. Why are you asking "new to politics" in your own OP whinging about politics?

LOL!

Bernie has never run a hard-core national campaign.

My only problem with Hillary's supposed attacks so far is they are so totally lame.

[Motown_Johnny]

143. Who is denying it? n/t

[George II]

173. You have that backward - why would anyone want or need to deny something that never happened?

[Motown_Johnny]

174. No, you said we made and attack and are now denying it. No denial.

What kind of crazy double talk are you trying on this one?

[George II]

178. "We"? Why not reread the OP, then read my post #10, which pointed out that the OP....

....did exactly what she was complaining about.

Where you came into it to become part of "we" I have no idea.

I'm still waiting for the OP to post what Brock said. Until we see that, the OP is simply the same thing that she's presumably complaining about.

[Motown_Johnny]

179. You're taking your own advice, float an attack, get it out there, then deny it.

If you have issue with my use of "we" then feel free to use whatever pronoun you choose. I don't care. I was just trying to not distance myself from this position.


Again, where is the denial you claim exists?

[George II]

180. Where did I say a denial exists?

[Motown_Johnny]

181. The last 3 words of post #10

Then Deny It.


Saying that he is taking his own advice.



What else could that possibly mean?????

[George II]

186. And the circle just continues. Enjoy your Sunday.

[Segami]

23. You nailed it cali!

[cali]

26. Why thanks.

[NorthCarolina]

25. Age is a complete non-issue for me. He could be 100 and he'd still get my vote

because not only do I trust the man, I also trust him to choose a like-minded VP candidate to carry on should the need arise.

[gordyfl]

100. FDR Used a Cane. Americans Didn't Mind. He was the People's President.

Bernie's traveling to all the campaign events - often flying coach. Hillary's flying in luxury, except when she does a photo-op. Bernie would be traveling first class should he become president.

And I agree. I'm sure he'll pick a like-minded person for VP. That's good enough for me.

Heck, FDR was using a cane at least as far back as 1937. Americans didn't have much problem with that. Why is his health an issue? Oh right, it campaign season.

[backscatter712]

117. Using a cane... FDR was using a wee bit more than a cane...

Google "FDR polio" sometime...

Let's just say that FDR didn't allow himself to be photographed using his mobility aids very often, for reasons being demonstrated right here in this thread.

[hedda_foil]

126. FDR couldn't walk at all. He was confined to a wheelchair due to polio.

The public didn't realize his degree of paralysis.

[gordyfl]

191. FDR Using a Cane - In Public

Yes, the public didn't know his degree of polio.

But "At least as far back as 1937" the people "were aware" of FDR using a cane. Yet he was still re-elected.

#t=21

[MisterP]

189. *wheelchair*, in fact--all FDR could do was lock his knees

[KittyWampus]

34. Poor Bernie, he has to actually run for President.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

151. It should get him accustomed to the filthy lies of Republicans.

[Le Taz Hot]

35. She triple downed on all of it this morning

on Inside Politics. All. Of. It. The apologists are going to need a major cave meeting after seeing the footage on this one. The "Hillary didn't know" shit is no longer viable.

[KittyWampus]

38. Who cares? Bernie is supposed to be above it all, but he's not. He talks from both sides

of his mouth. So stop pretending he's better when it comes to campaigns.

He calls Bill Clinton "disgraceful" then tries to make it look like he's only interesting in running against Hillary.

Using your words, talking about shit that is no longer viable, Bernie is just as bad.

And he needs to show he can withstand REAL attacks if he wants to run for POTUS against the Republicans.

He hasn't yet.

[elias49]

160. I care. Clinton's a mobster, basically.

Will do, say and imply anything to win. Seriously...NY thug.

[cali]

39. What did she say?

[Le Taz Hot]

47. They gave her like 20 minutes

and she just repeated the litany. Said she had released medical records and that Bernie hadn't, defended Chelsea's accusation that Bernie wanted to do away with the ACA and children's health care and then doubled downed on the same thing. Stated that he didn't have a plan to pay for it (another lie -- raise the Medicare withholdings) and, of course, tried to paint him as a darling of the NRA. Those are the ones I can remember. You have to understand, I can only stand to see her/hear her for a couple of minutes at a time and only about 10 seconds before I start yelling at the TV screen so, I may have missed other attacks. Oh yeah, she took credit for aiding in the recent Iran prisoner release which I'm sure P.O. and Kerry will be thrilled to hear about.

Typical disgusting Hillary tripe.

[cali]

50. Ugh and thanks for the heads up.

[Le Taz Hot]

53. She's on Meet the Press as we speak.

[riversedge]

59. George gave 20 min to Bernie later-and for most part he avoided the questions and

George had to dig to get Bernie to respond to questions....

Yet, as Hillary said on

George S. Sunday show-Hillary hopes that Bernie will also evolve on Charleston loophole.

Update:
Now Bernie is on George S. and twice will not answer George's question "Will you vote to close the Charleston loophole". Twice, Bernie changed the subject.

Now George is asking about how Bernie will pay for his health care plan. And Bernie is playing the victim. Does not answer him.
Gerorge asked twice if he would put out how his plan will be funded before the Iowa caucus--and after goiing around the Bush-Bernie finally conceded that he will put out a funding plan. So, the wait is on.

Wow. Berniie keeps saying not good to back 20, 30 years to look at past behaviors, voting etc. Hope he follows his own advice.

I have to say--I watched both interviews -Hillary and Bernie just now. IMHO Hillary gave good concise answers-was relaxed. while Bernie was almost yelling and agitated--beating around the bush while not answering. Wonder what the debate will be like tonight.

[senz]

142. She and Bill briefly tried to credit her with OBL's assassination.

Just a little flurry after he was taken out, suggestions that she played a big role in it.

Because she was quietly running for president even then.

It's funny to hear her try to take credit for Iran after putting it down yesterday.

[rbrnmw]

153. Link?

[Cary]

40. Interesting

He is old, and he will get sick and die. That's why we had a Constitutional Amendment to limit a president to two terms.

[polly7]

41. As will we all.

Some of us remain healthy mentally and physically much longer than others. Do you suggest weeding everyone past a certain age out of occupations or activities they're engaged in?

[Cary]

42. I am not suggesting anything

I find it interesting that people would disrespect facts.

But in response to your post we do require people retire at certain ages.

[polly7]

43. Not 'all' people are 'required' to retire at certain ages, by any means.

And what 'facts' are you going on about? That there's something wrong with Bernie Sanders' health?

[Cary]

45. I didn't say "all."

It is a fact that he is old. It is a fact that he will get sick and he will die.

I am amused at your effort to evade the facts of life.

[polly7]

49. Age is a number.

Bernie Sanders' intelligence, determination and even physical ability to do so much day after day impresses me to no end.

I am not amused at your fun with ageism any more than I am at any other sort of bigotry.

[Cary]

56. I understand that you are righteously indignant because I stated facts.

So with respect to your insult I consider the source.

[polly7]

58. You stated the 'fact' that we will all get old, sick and die.

BFD. With respect to your insinuations and insults, I consider the source. Completely underwhelming.

[Chemisse]

84. That's actually true. n/t

[polly7]

87. Well of course it is.

But when used to discuss a man who's running for office, it's obvious that it was brought up to attack him for his age. Which is bigotry, pure and simple.

[Chemisse]

99. You can't pretend age is not a factor in life.

He is far more likely to die in office than someone 20 years younger. It's not bigotry; it's acknowledging a basic biological fact of life.

If there were two candidates who were identical except for age, I would vote for the younger one. Anybody would.

But they aren't identical - not even close. People have to decide if all of his positive attributes outweigh the age concern.

And it's better he gets attacked for it now than later, in the GE. As I said in another post, he should embrace it and make it part of his appeal. He could pull that off easily.

[polly7]

101. I 'didn't' pretend age is not a factor in life.

I stated that some of us are much healthier mentally and physically than others as we age - FACT. Bernie Sanders is more intelligent and active than many 40 and 50 y/o's I know - FACT.

But yes, talking about his age ......... that, to me, is one of the factors that tells me exactly how much he cares about changing things for the better for all people. He could be relaxing at home and enjoying his grandchildren, taking these years easy and doing the things many his age do after a lifetime of sacrifice and hard work. He's NOT.

I doubt very much he'd have even joined the race for president had he thought someone else was going to step up to the plate and try to do all the things that will change this world. He knows what has to be done, his whole heart is in it and I think of him almost as a hero for his sacrifice and doing what he is.

[Chemisse]

111. So you believe the positive things about Bernie far outweigh the age factor.

So do I. But everybody has to decide that for themselves.

And he is very active. That's a good sign, but it's not a guarantee that he is healthier than anyone else his age.

I am hoping he makes a very strong pick for VP.

[polly7]

120. Nothing in this world is guaranteed.

Bernie Sanders is an inspiration. I hope he wins.

[Chemisse]

123. As do I.

He is a remarkable man.

[polly7]

124. He sure is.

(He reminds me in many ways of Tommy Douglas up here.)

[1monster]

159. Hmmm... Some age and get sick faster than others. The father of a relative

lived alone until the last few weeks of his life. He was alert and able to care for himself up to those last few weeks. He was 99.

My father is 88 and heading for a nursing home. This past six years he has been under hospice care twice, been in and out of the hospitals and rehabilitation centers too many times to count. My mother is five years younger and fading due to advancing dementia.

Age alone is not a factor. I expect Bernie, with as sharp and active as he is now, will probably live well into his nineties or more.

[stonecutter357]

61. +1

[polly7]

66. -1,000,000.

[stonecutter357]

69. .

[polly7]

71. I don't vote there, but nice enough sign, I guess ....

[Betty Karlson]

209. "Keep calm and carry on" was a British wartime slogan.

Are you now implying that Sanders campaign equals a blitz bombardment? Are you comparing him to the Nazis? Because that is borderline antisemitic.

Please consider editing your post.

[stonecutter357]

211. Are you a true Bernie supporter ?

and no i am not comparing him to the Nazis..

[ms liberty]

97. It is not a fact that he will get sick and die

He could live to 90 in great health and drop dead suddenly. You're assuming death only happens after illness.

[elias49]

161. Sure you are 'suggesting'.

Everybody can see through THAT bull shit.

"Oh, did I say something/'

[Cary]

219. If you don't mind I reserve the right to say what I say

I was as clear as I could be: "He is old, and he will get sick and die. That's why we had a Constitutional Amendment to limit a president to two terms."

The fact is that Bernie is old. One day he will get sick, and one day he will die. Yes, as we all will.

And this is a factor to be weighed. After doing some research I am not as confident in my second sentence but it is clear that Roosevelt dying in office had something to do with it.

Beyond that I said nothing. You and some others here have chosen to suggest otherwise, but your comments say more about you than about anything I said or meant to say.

[magical thyme]

68. so is Hillary old and going to die

I'd add that living the life she leads, dodging all that sniper fire and all, puts her at very high risk.

[polly7]

73. I've actually heard of people being struck by bullets who never realized it.

Years later they showed up in x-rays. Anyone who's been under fire should be thoroughly examined ....... you just never know.

[ms liberty]

102. You might want to brush up on that

That is not why we have Constitutional Amendment limiting a President to two terms. And it would be useless in prohibiting illness or death in office, regardless of age.

[backscatter712]

128. No the presidential term limits were pushed through by Republicans...

...who went apeshit after FDR served four - they didn't want to wait that long before having a chance to get back in the White House again.

[1monster]

162. FDR was only 63 when he died... not all that old even in those days.

The Constitutional Amendment was enacted more to make sure that no one person held the presidency as long as he did again... There were those who were quite put out by the fact that he was elected four times, completely shutting out the other party.

[riversedge]

54. Ah. good ol Politico wants Hillary out-so will do anything to

discredit her.

[cali]

63. Oh bullshit

[marmar]

55. There's no tactic too low in the Clinton campaign playbook .....

..... racist dogwhistling ala 2008, and now this. It's that scorched-earth, win-at-all-costs mendacity that worked out so well for her 8 years ago.

[magical thyme]

62. Denying it would be one thing. But Brock had the effing gall to try to blame Bernie for the claim!

Note that in paragraph 1, Brock claims the media spread it.
Then in paragraph 2, he blames Bernie for an email about it.

Really, how stupid and gullible does that asshat think we are?

Liz Kreutz ?@ABCLiz 11h11 hours ago
Statement from @davidbrockdc saying reports he wants to attack Sanders abt medical records are "false" (v @jonkarl)

[hrmjustin]

75. Politics is a tough business.

If he can't handle this than he should not run for president.

[cali]

83. It's hill who's doing the whining

[hrmjustin]

91. Sounds more like you are.

[KittyWampus]

116. No, mostly it's his supporters and Jeff Weaver using anything to get more money.

[Fuddnik]

86. "It's politics, John".

So we should expect the Hillary Camp to start push polling about Bernies black love child before the SC primary?

There's politics, and then there are frauds.

[hrmjustin]

89. Pathetic response.

She will do no such thing.

[dreamnightwind]

199. No, the response perfectly showed how wrong your response is

[cantbeserious]

76. HRC - The Dirtiest Of Dirty Campaigners - True In 2008 - True Today

eom

[bigtree]

82. except you have no proof that it was directed or orchestrated by the campaign

...and it was publicly disavowed by the official campaign.

You can easily apply that spin to statements from any surrogate for campaigns.

It's as good as a lie to claim collusion without proof.

[cali]

93. You don't tell someone to cut something out if you

don't believe they're engaged in shit. Podesta's comments and Politico's article may not constitute absolute proof but they are strong evidence.

[bigtree]

103. that's certainly an interesting endorsement of Politico

...the discredited rag that can't even be trusted to report what's evident, much less trusted with their un-sourced accusations against Democrats.

"according to a Democrat familiar with his thinking who was not authorized to preview any strategy."

That's a new way to sell a rumor, 'familiar with his thinking.' That's really weak reporting and should not be given as much credibility as it's gotten.

[cali]

108. Sorry, I don't see politico as anything but a standard MSM outlet.

That's hardly a good thing but it doesn't make it especially.evil. it's posted as source on DU everyday. In any case your non-response is sadly limp.

[bigtree]

115. Politico's also discredited frequently here

...and you're free to believe their weak, anonymous sourcing, but their report has been denied by the very subject of their article.

Unless you or anyone else can show proof other than a third-party source who claims to be 'familiar with Brock's thinking' you've got a pretty weak reed to hold onto. Using this as a platform for all of the broad accusations which you've made is slippery politics.

[1monster]

167. Uh... Isn't John Podesta the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign?

Then how do you explain his tweet?

[George II]

110. You still won't post what Brock said, which after all this time this morning means...

....he didn't say anything.

Who knows, this could be a Sanders Campaign "dirty trick", i.e. "Float an attack. Get it out there."

[ucrdem]

118. So far there are 3 named sources: Michael Briggs, Tad Devine, & Jeff Weaver. All from team Bernie.

hmm...

[questionseverything]

188. the collusion of brock's correct the record and hc's campaign is documented

He runs a superpac that, because of a loophole in the rules, is allowed to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton's campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

"How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign:

"Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to work in tight conjunction with an independent rapid-response group financed by unlimited donations, another novel form of political outsourcing that has emerged as a dominant practice in the 2016 presidential race.
...
...Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation.
...
The rules “totally exempt individuals who engage in political activity on the Internet from the restrictions of the campaign finance laws. The exemption for individual Internet activity in the final rules is categorical and unqualified,” then-FEC Chairman Michael E. Toner said at the time," ///////////////////////////////////


so basically the best spin that hc can put on this is ,she has lost control of her campaign

[Chemisse]

92. He IS old.

That was one of the negatives I considered when making my primary choice. But the positives were so compelling, they outweighed this fact.

Bernie should embrace it - own it. It can't be dodged. The Republicans will bring it up later.

[backscatter712]

107. And Hillary's only what, six years younger?

I think this falls under the category of "I wouldn't be talkin' if I were you."

The real fact is that Bernie's in fine health. He's pretty damned energetic on the campaign trail.

[Chemisse]

121. Women have a higher life expectancy than men.

Although her age is concerning as well. She is older than me and I cannot even fathom taking on the most challenging job in the nation.

Trump is 69 years old, I think, so none of them have a leg up when it comes to age.

[jeff47]

165. Clinton has been hospitalized for unexplained fainting spells

and been treated relatively recently for two blood clots near her brain. Her father died of a stroke, so there's a family history.

Please point to anything remotely similar in Sanders's recent history. (Keep in mind hernias are so common in men we "turn our head and cough" every year)

[Chemisse]

196. I'm definitely NOT interested in a medical tit for tat

If either one of them can survive the rigor of running for president, they are fit to serve in the office, in my opinion.

Emphasizing and exaggerating the physical vulnerabilities of either candidate in order to make yours look better is a Republican game. It's embarrassing to see it being done on a Democratic website.

[notadmblnd]

96. I would reply that- it is not Sander's who has a history of blood clots in his brain.

It is also not Senator Sander's who collapsed and was hospitalized in the not too distant past.

[SammyWinstonJack]

129. A small insignificant detail for her supporters, it would seem.

[notadmblnd]

132. She has to be closely monitored for the rest of her life

She is perpetually on blood thinners because she is high risk for stroke. But Bernie?

He had a hernia repaired, he's old, he's gonna die!

[Cassiopeia]

106. Then other surrogates flood social media and blogs claiming it's all a lie

made up by the Sanders camp.

[JoePhilly]

119. Oh, I thought you were describing a common DU OP authoring strategy.

[cali]

134. Nope, just the Clinton campaign

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

127. Aka - CYA

[riverbendviewgal]

130. You are never too old or too young to get sick. Shit happens.

My son and husband, never sick in their lives, died of cancer. Son lived for 18 months and died at 26. My husband lived for 3 years and died at 54.

My paternal grand parents lived into their late 80s.

Its the luck of the cards and genes.

Glad I live in Canada. I am not bankrupt from their illnesses. They were diagnosed 2 months apart of each other's diagnosis.

Bernie wants for America what Canada has, health care for all.

[Kentonio]

158. Sometimes life is so very cruel.

[merrily]

137. Just under 6 years between Bernie and Hillary and he looks far healthier to me.

Brock v. Podesta. HA!

Good cop, bad cop. Trying to have it both ways, a favorite Clinton strategy.

[senz]

146. It shows in how they move, even how they stand.

I've credited it to his years as a runner; he's very comfortable on his legs, has a physical grace and ease about him. She does not move well at all.

[merrily]

150. There's an energy about him. Her, not so much.

He kept up a grueling schedule, especially during the first several months. Her, not so much.

[elias49]

164. I think Clinton's one of those 'low energy' people Trump talks about.

She sends Bill and her poor daughter out when she wants to take a break.
It's looking a lot like "Hill's last gasp"

[senz]

138. This is what they're reduced to. It's ALL they have on Bernie.

His age and vague suggestions about his physical health.

She's reached the bottom of her barrel, a place she knows well.

Scratch on, Hillary.

[sulphurdunn]

155. Her Majesty is 69,

and no spring chicken herself.

[in_cog_ni_to]

157. Clinton didn't deny Brock did this. She was asked about it on the morning shows and never denied it,

so Brock is a damn LIAR.

It's what he does! This is why he works for HRH. Period.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Autumn]

171. A well used tactic at that. Bernie got a lot of donations out of this.

Do it again David Brock. Do it again. Thanks to the Clinton administration , we know you, we know you well. Too bad Hillary either forgot or in her hubris she ignored your past history.

[silenttigersong]

182. Shes unhinged

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[silenttigersong]

183. Pathetic

[Katashi_itto]

187. K&R! Down with 3rd Way.

[gordyfl]

192. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said he will make his medical health records available to the public

as is tradition for those seeking the presidency.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-medical-records_569bd3d9e4b0b4eb759eb330

[glinda]

198. Republicans do it constantly. I call it the "little rotten child syndrome".

[morningfog]

203. Clinton and Rove row the same boat. Nasty nasty campaigners.

They cannot be trusted.

[davidpdx]

204. Like certain Clinton supporters saying that Republicans want Sanders to win

Hypocrites

[grntuscarora]

206. "Don't you think (s)he looks tired?"

HRC's people are pulling their strategies from old Dr. Who episodes.

Someone should tell them it was just a show, and we've all seen it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

207. Brock will be saying Bernie is a Muslim next

&feature=youtu.be

[George II]

213. Well it's been more than a day, no Brock quote in any media or here. Conclusion: It never happened

[ismnotwasm]

214. But we know that

It's pretty hilarious actually. What's even funnier is this thread has the most responses still--post debate.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

215. It was great watching him get his lying face kicked in, then watching the mothership

tell him to shut the fuck up. It also added to Sanders' big haul this week.

Bring more.