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FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | OP |
litlbilly | Jan 2016 | #1 | |
Ferd Berfel | Jan 2016 | #51 | |
MuseRider | Jan 2016 | #2 | |
saltpoint | Jan 2016 | #3 | |
earthside | Jan 2016 | #4 | |
FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | #9 | |
Nyan | Jan 2016 | #5 | |
brooklynite | Jan 2016 | #7 | |
fleur-de-lisa | Jan 2016 | #6 | |
FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | #22 | |
fleur-de-lisa | Jan 2016 | #35 | |
Hiraeth | Jan 2016 | #8 | |
oasis | Jan 2016 | #10 | |
LWolf | Jan 2016 | #11 | |
Metric System | Jan 2016 | #12 | |
thereismore | Jan 2016 | #26 | |
Metric System | Jan 2016 | #29 | |
thereismore | Jan 2016 | #30 | |
Metric System | Jan 2016 | #32 | |
pangaia | Jan 2016 | #33 | |
fleur-de-lisa | Jan 2016 | #37 | |
firebrand80 | Jan 2016 | #13 | |
Fawke Em | Jan 2016 | #14 | |
JI7 | Jan 2016 | #15 | |
Bryce Butler | Jan 2016 | #52 | |
restorefreedom | Jan 2016 | #16 | |
fleur-de-lisa | Jan 2016 | #38 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #17 | |
in_cog_ni_to | Jan 2016 | #18 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #19 | |
FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | #20 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #21 | |
valerief | Jan 2016 | #27 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #28 | |
valerief | Jan 2016 | #31 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #36 | |
dlwickham | Jan 2016 | #47 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jan 2016 | #48 | |
dlwickham | Jan 2016 | #50 | |
baldguy | Jan 2016 | #23 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #34 | |
baldguy | Jan 2016 | #41 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #42 | |
baldguy | Jan 2016 | #44 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #45 | |
baldguy | Jan 2016 | #55 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #56 | |
Pastiche423 | Jan 2016 | #24 | |
FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | #25 | |
nsd | Jan 2016 | #39 | |
FlatBaroque | Jan 2016 | #40 | |
Nyan | Jan 2016 | #43 | |
NCTraveler | Jan 2016 | #46 | |
mythology | Jan 2016 | #49 | |
Live and Learn | Jan 2016 | #53 | |
FloridaBlues | Jan 2016 | #54 |
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:38 PM
litlbilly (2,227 posts)
1. She would be great. I would like to see Elizabeth Warren but Barbara Lee works too:)
Response to litlbilly (Reply #1)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:52 PM
Ferd Berfel (3,687 posts)
51. Luv Warren but we need her in the senate
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:43 PM
MuseRider (33,851 posts)
2. That is who I was thinking
would be good. She is wonderful.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:48 PM
saltpoint (50,986 posts)
3. I could see it being Rep. Lee. Definitely. eom
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:55 PM
earthside (6,960 posts)
4. It will likely be an unconventional pick.
But he is one smart politician, he knows how to win ... so it will be a very solid pick.
It could be Warren. It could be former Interior Sec. Salazar. It might not be a politician. I would think someone from the west might be a good balancing choice. |
Response to earthside (Reply #4)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:55 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
9. I would be intrigued by a non-politician pick
Someone like Bill McKibben and put him in charge of a global environmental stewardship initiative.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:55 PM
Nyan (1,192 posts)
5. Oh hell yeah...
I actually prefer her to Elizabeth Warren because of her foreign policy stance. And a former black panther at that? oh hell yeah...I would loooooove to see republicans' head explode!!!!!!
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Response to Nyan (Reply #5)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:00 PM
brooklynite (89,761 posts)
7. And how many States would you be prepared to lose?
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:38 PM
fleur-de-lisa (14,566 posts)
6. Love your suggestion!
I think it must be either a woman, a member of the LGBT community or a Person of Color. Or someone who covers a couple of these categories.
Bernie is running a non-traditional campaign and needs to select a non- traditional running mate. I love Elizabeth Warren, but as she is also from the Notheast, I don't think selecting her is a wise move. She will do more good in the Senate or in a Cabinet position. |
Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #6)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:02 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
22. OMG...Treasury Secretary Elizabeth Warren
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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #22)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:04 PM
fleur-de-lisa (14,566 posts)
35. You are making me swoon!
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:00 PM
Hiraeth (4,805 posts)
8. John Bel Edwards
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:57 PM
oasis (48,901 posts)
10. Noam Chomsky.
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:47 PM
LWolf (46,179 posts)
11. I'd be thrilled with Lee.
I strongly hope it will be a woman. A woman who will make a great first woman president after Sanders' terms.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:53 PM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
12. Santa Claus.
Response to Metric System (Reply #12)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:36 PM
thereismore (13,326 posts)
26. That would make it an all-male ticket and I know you'd hate that. nt
Response to thereismore (Reply #26)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:39 PM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
29. Are you suggesting I'm only supporting Hillary because she's a woman? That's not the case.
Response to Metric System (Reply #29)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:40 PM
thereismore (13,326 posts)
30. I was. Tongue in cheek of course. I can't see any other reason why anyone would support her. nt
Response to thereismore (Reply #30)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:44 PM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
32. Interesting.
Response to thereismore (Reply #30)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:49 PM
pangaia (24,324 posts)
33. Kerspllert !!!
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Response to thereismore (Reply #26)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:05 PM
fleur-de-lisa (14,566 posts)
37. +1000
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:56 PM
firebrand80 (2,760 posts)
13. Would HAVE to be a foreign policy expert IMO
Response to firebrand80 (Reply #13)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:58 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
14. Well, that rules out Clinton.
Every FP position she's taken has been horrible.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:02 PM
JI7 (88,319 posts)
15. Joe Biden would be perfect but i dont know if he can stay on
Response to JI7 (Reply #15)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:56 PM
Bryce Butler (338 posts)
52. He could if elected...
there are no term limits for VP
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:02 PM
restorefreedom (12,655 posts)
16. i like nina turner but lee is good too.
keith ellison would be great but the rw wackos would make his religion a major issue.
fun to think about, but tough battles ahead first |
Response to restorefreedom (Reply #16)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:05 PM
fleur-de-lisa (14,566 posts)
38. Yes, Nina Turner! Love it!
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:05 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
17. Gavin Newsom. Kamala Harris. Jeff Merkeley. Earl Blumenauer. Barbara Boxer. Ron Wyden.
those are just a few ideas.
They all have one thing in common. Any guesses as to what that is? |
Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:24 PM
in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)
18. West Coast? n/t
Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #18)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:25 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
19. Yeah, I'd like to see some broader representation both geographically and
generationally.
I think it's pretty clear our party needs to expand its leadership bench, going forward. |
Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #19)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:56 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
20. I believe we have plenty of leaders who have been pushed aside by corporate Dems
and who simply need an opportunity to lead. Barbara Lee is California BTW. I too agree with the geographical and generational diversity.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #20)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:57 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
21. Fair enough and what you said.
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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:38 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
27. California! nt
Response to valerief (Reply #27)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:39 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
28. "West Coast", but, close.
Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #28)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:43 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
31. Ha! I saw Newsom, Harris, and Boxer and took a guess. Wyden was Oregon, right?
Oh, well, the west coast is all California to me. You know, those CALIFORNIA VALUES. Hehehehe. (I'm Cruzin' for a brusin'.)
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Response to valerief (Reply #31)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:05 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
36. Merkeley, too.
I know, you guys think we're just a suburb of you, up here.
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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:03 PM
dlwickham (3,316 posts)
47. Hillary supporters?
Response to dlwickham (Reply #47)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:40 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
48. Blumenauer has endorsed Hillary?
Really?
Hopefully next time he's in a room with her and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, they can have a conversation about Debbie's support for throwing sick people in prison over marijuana use. |
Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #48)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:47 PM
dlwickham (3,316 posts)
50. Harris and the others have I believe
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:19 PM
baldguy (36,649 posts)
23. Ralph Nader
Bernie 2016 is like Nader 2000 on steroids - with the same apparent effects.
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Response to baldguy (Reply #23)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:53 PM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
34. Bernie is running on the democratic ticket, so he won't split the vote.
If Gore had actually motivated the base, it wouldn't have been close enough for Bush to steal. Don't blame Nader, he was filling a void.
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Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #34)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:18 PM
baldguy (36,649 posts)
41. And how many here have been seduced by the RW lie machine to believe the worst about Clinton?
The bullshit that there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats is exactly the same script Nader used to hand the 2000 coup d'etat into Bush's hands.
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Response to baldguy (Reply #41)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:49 PM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
42. The RW attacks on her are bullshit i.e. Benghazi, emails etc.,
but she's against single-payer, a living wage, legalization of marijuana, reinstating Glass- Steagall, and the list goes on. Her views are to the right of the base.
Nader didn't hand the election to Bush; it was stolen. If Gore had run further to the left, people wouldn't have felt the need to vote for Nader. How could Nader have predicted that it would come down to Florida and be stolen. |
Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #42)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:23 AM
baldguy (36,649 posts)
44. The same argument you use to defend Nader applies to Gore as well. "How could he have known?"
FL 2000 was stolen, sure. Nader helped. This is indisputable. The fact that 15 yrs later - with exposure of all the shit that he did, and all the shit he's still doing - he still has defenders here is outrageous.
My fear is that Sanders seems to be headed down that same path, handing the election & the country to Pres Cruz or Pres Trump on a silver platter. |
Response to baldguy (Reply #44)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
45. Present some evidence to support you're claims, because this sounds like fear mongering to me.
Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #45)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:04 PM
baldguy (36,649 posts)
55. You want me to *prove* Sanders will bolt the party?
You prove that he won't.
He's never been a Democrat before this past year, and the only reason he joined was to get the free money, expertise & exposure the party brings. Even so, he's practically declared war on the party just because everything hasn't gone 100% his way. Plus, just like Nader he has a huge ego. If he looks to be losing the nomination, there's no reason to believe he won't. |
Response to baldguy (Reply #55)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:28 PM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
56. Obviously, we must invest in mental health!
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:31 PM
Pastiche423 (15,406 posts)
24. I agree!
Barbara Lee is my #1 pick for VP.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:15 PM
nsd (2,401 posts)
39. I'll play.
Jim Webb.
I'm only half kidding. If Sanders is to win -- not just the nomination but the White House -- he's going to have to demonstrate, in words and actions, that he represents something fundamentally new in American politics. He can't just be the old socialist guy or a representative of the old American left. That's the formula for 1972. That's losing big. If Sanders is to win, it's going to be because he shatters preconceptions, because he makes people realize the game is rigged, because he forces them to think in new ways. There's a lot of anger and unhappiness out there. Sanders represents one strain of that (what we usually think of as American liberalism). And Webb represents a different but related strain (whiter, more traditional, more social conservative, but just as discontented and for similar reasons). Merging those two strains would be a big deal. Of course, this isn't a new idea. Lots of people have had the same idea. But it would be really something, really interesting, if finally -- finally -- Sanders could bring them together. |
Response to nsd (Reply #39)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:17 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
40. Thought proving commentary
thank you
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Response to nsd (Reply #39)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:32 AM
Nyan (1,192 posts)
43. Very interesting take!
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:01 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
46. I'm thinking a deal was struck between Sanders and Paul.
In the past, Sanders voted against Pauls "audit the fed" legislation. I don't see a clear evolution from Sanders on this one. It just doesn't make sense. I have a feeling there was a trade for his vote. I could see VP.
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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #46)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:46 PM
mythology (9,527 posts)
49. Sanders isn't that stupid
He would be crushed if he nominated Rand Paul to be his VP.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:12 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
53. Per Western Illinois prediction, it will be O'Malley and he did pretty well in the debate.
I know, 2 northeastern white guys but they could work pretty damn well together and handily beat any of the Republican alternatives.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:24 PM
FloridaBlues (3,822 posts)