A prediction for tonight and what to watch for . . .

[Jack Rabbit]

After the debate, the establishment pundits will declare Hillary Clinton the winner. That judgment, as it has been in the other debates, will be without regard to whether she actually won or not, even when she gave that ridiculous performance about her integrity being impugned for suggesting that she just might be influenced all the money she gets from Wall Street criminals and 911, 911, 911.

I will have my own ideas, based on my own criteria, which can be crudely simple at times.

Let me clue you in on what I think will happen. First, Hillary will talk about how tough she'll get on Iran. She'll say something like "I'll get so tough on them that it will make their turban spin on their heads; now is not the time to let up." Instead of channeling the proto-Nazi with the atrocious comb over running for the GOP nomination, Bernie will say say something like "We are in the wake of a diplomatic triumph; this is no time to engage in threatening rhetoric." He may even lay down specific instance when he would impose sanctions, but it will be more reasonable and measured than Mrs. Clinton's hawk squawk.

Then Mrs. Clinton will tout her new found opposition to single payer healthcare. All Bernie has to say to top that kind od steer manure is "I've got a better idea" and go right into his stump speech.

If that happens, Bernie wins hands down. Game, set and match.

However, the pundits will judge otherwise. Perhaps NBC will be so brazen in their dishonesty to have Chuck Todd, that most tacky of establishment media stooges, deliver the judgment. And tomorrow, Team Weathervane will be all over DU proclaiming that Hillary won because Mr. Toad said so.

I'm going to the store now. Have at it, people.

[restorefreedom]

1. clinton already won, didn't you hear?

so will say m$m

no need to even watch

[Jack Rabbit]

2. I'm sure the establishment pundits have already mailed in their summeries

[restorefreedom]

4. tweety probably has his notes already in the prompter. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Gonna watch Downton Abbey.

Will check DU for commentary later.

[Metric System]

5. Sounds like you've pegged Hillary as the loser before the debate has even taken place.

[trueblue2007]

13. i can't stand it that Democrats are hating each other

stop acting like children people. I would vote for either of our 3 candidates.

[Jack Rabbit]

18. Based on the establisghed pattern, yes

Can't beat an established pattern. Established patterns a're more reliable than corrupt politicians and journalists.

[Beacool]

6. She's a very good debater.

Of course I don't expect Sanders' supporters to agree.

[TIME TO PANIC]

10. If you go by style rather than substance, maybe.

[Beacool]

16. Nonsense.

If Hillary is anything, she's a policy wonk. Her mastery of even the most obscure aspects of domestic and foreign policy has been noted for years, even by her opponents.

[TIME TO PANIC]

17. I never said she wasn't a Policy wonk,

but that has nothing to do with what comes out of her mouth on stage, nor does it mean she's looking out for our best interest.

[Robbins]

7. My prediction

she will talk tough on iran

she will continue to bash bernie on gun and double down on her health care lies.she will be on the attack

all the pundits will declare her the winner.online polls will say the opposite.they will be bashed by clinton supporters.

The debate will cause bernie's fundrasing to go up.

[Thinkingabout]

8. Hillary will do very well in the debate as in the past.

I hope all can stay on subject and get the issues on the front.

[gwheezie]

9. I expect the du pundits to declare HRC the loser

Something about what do you expect from s Clinton, its a conspiracy to make Bernie look bad.

[bvar22]

11. The Great Hillary Debate Victory scripts have already been written...

..by the Media and a few members of DU.

[TIME TO PANIC]

12. I expect Clinton to be extra aggressive and disengenious.

The pundits will be as obnoxious as always and declare Clinton the winner, no matter how she performs.

[quickesst]

14. I think...

.... you're just setting up your excuses for when Hillary wins the debate. Bernie wins, you can say, " wow, amazing!", If Hillary wins, you can talk about how biased the msm are, and how you called it before the debates. It's called CYA.

[Uncle Joe]

15. The ownership of the corporate media conglomerates are certainly in the less than 1% and

their "star" pundits would rank up there as well so the chances of them proclaiming Bernie the winner are remote no matter how the debate turns out.

Thanks for the thread, Jack Rabbit.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. And now that it's all over . . .

Yes, I think Bernie won and yes, I am surprised NBC admits it. It doesn't make up for the other debates he won, at least in my opinion, that they awarded to Hillary, especially the one that featured her bizarre 9/11 defense of her taking huge sums from Wall Street and expected the voters to think it doesn't influence her. That debate (the second, I believe) was Bernie's most dominant performance of all in the the debates, and Mrs. Clinton's worst.

Mrs. Clinton's tried to defend her critique of Bernie's healthcare plan, but now how hard she spun, it came across as a distinction without a difference. The point still goes to Senator Sanders. It was the Clinton campaign that brought it, and after tonight there is no reason to think that Senator Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare the way the Republicans do. He wants to go beyond it. The whole thing was much ado about nothing. So why did the Clinton campaign bring it us?

Another issue where I think Hillary was weak tonight was her defense of President Obama's record on Wall Street. Dodd-Frank may have been the best banking legislation to pass Congress in a long time, but it's no substitute for reinstating Glass-Steagall and wouldn't have been necessary at all if Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999. No one can persuade me that President Obama's response to Wall Street fraud can't be characterized as "weak" when his justice department didn't see fit to bring criminal indictments against any Wall Street executive. Mrs. Clinton said nothing tonight to assuage me of my belief that Wall Street contributions to her presidential campaign, donations to the Clinton Foundations and the exorbitant speaking fees paid by Goldman Sachs to Mrs. Clinton have bought undue influence.