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Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:37 PM

 

So when Sanders says getting rid of private insurance which is what the ACA is he in fact is

Getting rid of Obamacare.

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Reply So when Sanders says getting rid of private insurance which is what the ACA is he in fact is (Original post)
bigdarryl Jan 2016 OP
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #1
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #3
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #19
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #25
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #34
Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #2
PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #5
hrmjustin Jan 2016 #4
mcar Jan 2016 #6
PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #7
TCJ70 Jan 2016 #8
artislife Jan 2016 #31
Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #9
Orangepeel Jan 2016 #10
litlbilly Jan 2016 #15
Orangepeel Jan 2016 #16
litlbilly Jan 2016 #17
Armstead Jan 2016 #28
Orangepeel Jan 2016 #35
JRLeft Jan 2016 #11
litlbilly Jan 2016 #20
Autumn Jan 2016 #12
LittleBlue Jan 2016 #13
KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #14
in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #18
litlbilly Jan 2016 #22
in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #24
litlbilly Jan 2016 #26
mvd Jan 2016 #27
Jarqui Jan 2016 #21
litlbilly Jan 2016 #23
artislife Jan 2016 #32
Kalidurga Jan 2016 #29
ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #37
Kalidurga Jan 2016 #38
mike_c Jan 2016 #30
ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #33
valerief Jan 2016 #36

Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:38 PM

1. He's getting rid of the Vampiric private insurance component, not taking away anything else. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:40 PM

3. My guess is that that some insurance companies

will stay alive by selling supplementary plans.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:57 PM

19. perhaps, I'd like to learn more about whether Bernie's plan requires that or not.

 

I know currently even if your on Medicare --which I am -- one must get a Plan B policy,
so your question is a good one.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:07 AM

25. I'm on Medicare too

Even though Plan B went up, it's still a bargain.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 AM

34. Yah, mine went up under ACA too, which I didn't like and cannot afford, but still

 

it's way better than NOT being on Medicare. Before ACA, I had NO monthly premium, but now it's $40
a month + what they take out of SS check. My co-pays are also higher now, and now they are starting
to deny coverage for some things on flimsy grounds. I'm with AARP's United Healthcare.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:39 PM

2. The ACA is private insurance?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:40 PM

5. The non very poor part. Yes.

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:40 PM

4. DU Rec.

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:41 PM

6. K&R

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:42 PM

7. My ACA insurance is medicaid.

 

Not private insurance.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:44 PM

8. Wasn't the ACA billed as a stepping stone to single-payer?

Why is his position not being hailed as "Finishing the job"?

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:18 AM

31. Because it would mean the h didn't have a real issue to be against.

 

I read how these posters in this thread will happily continue the smear and I am at 99% sure that I will never vote for h. Ever. They don't have the guts to be transparent about their stands on issues, because there is no stand on issues, just that they stand with her. No matter where she is going this week.

Lack of moral compass, lack of ethics, her campaign makes me want to weep for the Democratic Party.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:45 PM

9. Yes. It replaces the half baked ACA.

 

Comprehensive universal public health insurance. Everyone covered from birth to death. No premiums. No deductibles. No copays.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:45 PM

10. Private insurance companies administer medicare

Since the beginning of the Medicare program, CMS has contracted with private insurance companies to operate as intermediaries between the government and medical providers. Contracted processes include claims and payment processing, call center services, clinician enrollment, and fraud investigation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)#Administration

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Response to Orangepeel (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:50 PM

15. No sorry you're wrong, its called Medicare advantage, a private insurance SUPPLIMENT to Medicare.

 

that is right out of the republican playbook and simply will not fly here. All private insurance does is steal money from people by not providing actual healthcare, just ask steven hemsley, (sp) united health care ceo, got over a billion dollars in compensation. How many people died because of all the fking money that bastard stole. Dollar Bill maquire another one. Insurance companies, a for profit leaching system does nobody any good. They are not needed period.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:54 PM

16. I'm not wrong. CMS outsources some administrative functions to insurance companies

Presumably, they still would (probably more so, because more people would be using it)

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Response to Orangepeel (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:55 PM

17. blablablabla....

 

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Response to Orangepeel (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:12 AM

28. Administrative functions is not the same as owning and running the system

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 AM

35. No, but it means that insurance companies probably wouldn't go away

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:46 PM

11. Yes the ACA is an improvement over what we had, but we can do far better.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:57 PM

20. you think? 6 or 7k decuctable, copays, still a giveaway to the drug and insurance companies.

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:47 PM

12. No he is in fact going after Single Payer, which is healthcare. Better healthcare than

being mandated to purchase insurance, a product that the government uses a lot of tax dollars to pay for that many people can't afford to use, Hell yes Obamacare needs to go. Single Payer!!!

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:49 PM

13. Um what? That is not the ACA

 

The ACA preserves private healthcare companies and practically enshrines them as institutions.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:50 PM

14. Partly.

The private insurance portion of ACA got the most fanfare but it's only one part (major part) of ACA.

ACA provided more funding to states for medicaid and children's healthcare services. it also provided more funding to schools to improve the nutritional value of lunches, add more breakfasts and even dinners to ask risk kids, along with nutrition counseling to the community as a whole. It also required the food industry to be more transparent on nutrition content so consumer can make better choices. It also increased grants to hospitals and providers for care that is never reimbursed.

Since medicare is state based now the provisions of the affordable care act that actually benefit America could remain intact while moving the private insurance component over to Medicare.

You would not have to trash the whole thing.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:56 PM

18. He's getting rid of the insurance GREEDY VULTURES.

Why do you want people to go without healthcare?

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:58 PM

22. We dont need health insurance, we all need healthcare. dont need the greedy middlemen at all

 

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:02 AM

24. That's what I meant.

Why anyone would want a fellow citizen to DIE because they can't afford Health Insurance, is beyond me and really quite sick (no pun intended).

We need to get the greedy insurance companies OUT OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

I'm going to edit my post.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:10 AM

26. I think we didnt notice that much say in the 70s because it was fairly cheap then. NOw, not so much.

 

Since Reagan, it has been downhill and accelerating.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:11 AM

27. Good point

And unlike what Hillary says, Bernie would not just scrap Obamacare and leave so many uninsured. He wants to work toward a Single Payer plan, and I agree that we really need it. While I was able to get another plan on the exchange, it's more expensive. But without Obamacare, I would have had the even worse Aetna plan. So there is good, but we need a new system.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:58 PM

21. Or you could easily argue Sanders wants Obamacare

for all through Medicare for all.

This nonsense about "getting rid" of medical care or raising taxes is bullshit. Most folks will easily pay the additional taxes of $500 bucks or whatever with the elimination of $5,000 per year in private health care premiums.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:59 PM

23. Or, just add the public option into medicare. then the insurance companies would just go away, they

 

wouldn't be able to compete and that's a good thing

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:19 AM

32. Great way to turn it around! nt.

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:12 AM

29. I will put you down as a fan of keeping the 29 million who now don't have access to health care

at the same level of access.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:30 AM

37. That is pretty much a defining line, with the poorest Americans very clearly defined. Some people..

 

...just don't care about those people.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:32 AM

38. Yes I know

Up until the ACA was passed we lost 40-50,000 people a year to treatable illnesses and conditions.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:14 AM

30. and good riddence to private insurers and for-profit health care....

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:19 AM

33. All the benefits of ACA will stay like no preexisting conditions, kids to 26, etc. This is how...

 

...you make ACA better. It's a no-brainer.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:29 AM

36. He's getting rid of the private insurance companies in the ACA and moving the administration of it

to Medicare and improving on what Medicare covers so that everyone will real care as a right without the big bill. I'm paying $600/month for ACA and that's with a credit. I'd love to pay a few hundred a year for Medicare for All.

It's not a hard concept at all. Unless you're rooting for the private insurance gougers.

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