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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:12 AM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate

With a strong defense of President Obama, she got the better of Bernie Sanders.

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Hillary Clinton’s superb debate performance on Sunday raised an unsettling question: If she can be this consistently good on a debate stage, why can’t she replicate that impressiveness on the campaign trail or in interviews? Clinton was once again in superior form Sunday night in South Carolina, besting Sen. Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley in the last Democratic debate before the Iowa caucus.

Clinton’s debating performance is formidable because it combines her intelligence with a sincerity and level of conviction that often seem absent in other forums. When she opened the debate speaking of Martin Luther King Jr.’s role fighting for increased wages, she used his career as a subtle metaphor for what she is pitching: principled leadership with a strong practical bent. That mixture, along with her strength in close-quarter combat and an ability to wrap herself in President Obama’s record—something that played well to the Charleston crowd in the auditorium—was what won her this debate.

Clinton had several strong moments Sunday night. “Ninety people a day die from gun violence in this country,” she noted, before going on to attack Sanders’ record on the Second Amendment, methodically reciting a series of his Congressional votes. For some reason Sanders still struggles when pressed on his gun rights votes; he called Clinton “disingenuous” and said that guns “should not be a political issue.” Sanders has run an impressive race and is challenging Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire, but Clinton’s ability to bring him to earth and seem like just another politician—his weird, Trump-like quoting of polls tonight didn’t help—is remarkable. (The moderators helped her tonight by making it appear as if Sanders had changed or updated a number of his positions.)

Clinton combines her intelligence
with a sincerity that often
seems absent in other forums.

The same dynamic occurred when the subject turned to health care. Clinton’s attack on Sanders’ support for a single-payer system is, er, “disingenuous” (as Jim Newell pointed out in Slate last week). But the way she attacked Sanders on the issue tonight was effective: She essentially claimed that Sanders’s plan would cause a huge amount of disruption in Obamacare, and thus reopen the battle that has barely ended over the president’s signature program. Sanders needs to figure out a way to answer this criticism, but he certainly didn’t do so tonight.


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Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate (Original Post) Agschmid Jan 2016 OP
DU Rec. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #1
The American people say Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #2
That won't prevent the media from telling us she won though. JRLeft Jan 2016 #5
And btw Slate was the source of the OP kenn3d Jan 2016 #10
And how many people have voted in the Slate poll? Agschmid Jan 2016 #14
More than wrote that article. cui bono Jan 2016 #17
Sure but also less than "the whole country". Agschmid Jan 2016 #18
That was never stated. It's true that as a whole, "the whole country", is becoming aware of him cui bono Jan 2016 #21
Winner: Bernie Sanders Go Vols Jan 2016 #64
RE: FOXnews numbers - Trump says he wants to run against Bernie so the Fox base wants Bernie now.nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #47
Hillary supporters win the most threads with the biggest, brightest, most in focus photos award. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #3
Well you should thank the Slate/AP photographers for that. Agschmid Jan 2016 #6
Interesting - author executive editor for The New Republic NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #4
Surprise, surprise. cui bono Jan 2016 #15
A Third Way democrat thought a Third Way democrat won. Shocking! JRLeft Jan 2016 #38
No she didn't Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #7
More of Hillary's negatives were exposed tonight, I thought. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #8
AGREED!!! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #9
She kicked serious butt. It was a brilliant performance. She was in charge and MADem Jan 2016 #11
And monkeys are flying out of my ass as I type this. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #12
Pics? DJ13 Jan 2016 #28
LOL!!! navarth Jan 2016 #42
As O'Malley explained, her defense of Obama was a cop out, a smokescreen. cui bono Jan 2016 #13
She was not in charge....... bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #16
There isn't any people's revolution going on, murielm99 Jan 2016 #20
You sound like you are against democracy. cui bono Jan 2016 #24
I know what a primary is. murielm99 Jan 2016 #62
Oh, so you're psychic. Sorry, I didn't realize that. n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #63
Hillary Clinton was very very strong tonigh Gothmog Jan 2016 #19
You actually believe Clinton will appoint justices that will overturn Citizens United? tularetom Jan 2016 #30
Clinton was the target of Citizens Untied. baldguy Jan 2016 #56
Guy, HER OWN HUSBAND put on the Supreme Court... Herman4747 Jan 2016 #57
Clinton has promised to use this as a litmus test Gothmog Jan 2016 #66
Refusing money in hopes that small potatoes donors can oasis Jan 2016 #37
Not simply very, but very very? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #60
Bullshit! Got to put my hip waders on because the shit is KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #22
Might want to go full scuba - it berns when it gets in your eyes. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #35
I respectfully disagree. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #23
I thought the moderators spent most of their time...... DFW Jan 2016 #25
That is the best summary of the event murielm99 Jan 2016 #49
A bald-face liar won? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #26
She appeared to be a very angry mean person n /t doc03 Jan 2016 #27
...and Bernie was a vision of sweetness and light. oasis Jan 2016 #34
To be honest not really. What do we have like 350 doc03 Jan 2016 #65
HRC was mediocre at best in the debate Larkspur Jan 2016 #29
Re. the pathetic attempt........... pablo_marmol Jan 2016 #48
Another story from your source. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #31
Yup, pretty spot on huh? Agschmid Jan 2016 #32
Just ask any Hillary supporter. n/t Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #33
She did. She fired her big guns early on -- NRA, BLM, ACA, police violence -- ucrdem Jan 2016 #36
I think Sanders "won" the debate and I really like him. I still believe Clinton wins the GE. Hoyt Jan 2016 #39
Clinton will NEVER be president. If she wins the nomination say hello to president trump bowens43 Jan 2016 #53
I feel the same way about Sanders, who will be another McGovern or Dukakis. Hoyt Jan 2016 #54
With a strong defense of President Obama.... workinclasszero Jan 2016 #40
The implication being that Bernie attacked President Obama..... navarth Jan 2016 #43
Of course she did. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #41
It's not even dawn and the media already at it. Matariki Jan 2016 #44
Who Won the Democratic Debate? Viewers Lean Toward Bernie Sanders Matariki Jan 2016 #45
Only the next polls will say for sure. Zen Democrat Jan 2016 #46
Americans' Trust in Media Remains at Historical Low coyote Jan 2016 #50
LOL! merrily Jan 2016 #51
Sincerity???? OMG!! You have got to be kidding bowens43 Jan 2016 #52
Exactly! marew Jan 2016 #55
One thing that really turned me off was how she continued in the vein that Bernie wanted to Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #58
"with a sincerity" marmar Jan 2016 #59
I've been looking at comments all over the Internet this morning and that's not my take. Vinca Jan 2016 #61
 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
2. The American people say
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jan 2016

Otherwise.

I was a little surprised the the Fox conservative viewers opinion on the winner.

Fox's conservative viewers
Bernie Sanders 91.31%
Hillary Clinton 6.73%
Martin O'Malley 1.96%

Heavy.com poll
Bernie Sanders 89.98%
Hillary Clinton 8.01%
Martin O'Malley 2.01%

Time.com
Bernie Sanders 88.00%
Hillary Clinton 9.00%
Martin O'Malley 3.00%

Slate's poll
Bernie Sanders 86.00%
Hillary Clinton 10.00%
Martin O'Malley 2.00%

politicususa.com
Bernie Sanders 1
Hillary Clinton 2
Martin O'Malley 3

Political People Blog
Bernie Sanders 93.84
Hillary Clinton 4.95
Martin O'Malley 1.21

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
5. That won't prevent the media from telling us she won though.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jan 2016

I told everyone before the debate, the media would attempt to convince us who won.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
10. And btw Slate was the source of the OP
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:24 AM
Jan 2016
Slate's poll
Bernie Sanders 86.00%
Hillary Clinton 10.00%
Martin O'Malley 2.00%

We can all have our opinions about who "won". But the whole country is becoming aware of Bernie Sanders and what his candidacy means to our choices.
:large

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
21. That was never stated. It's true that as a whole, "the whole country", is becoming aware of him
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jan 2016

and that's exactly why his poll numbers are constantly rising.

Polls are always a sampling to indicate the trend of the whole.

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Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
64. Winner: Bernie Sanders
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016
Bernie is now posting his best poll numbers of the campaign to date, as he excitedly pointed out in a moment that echoed Donald Trump's matter-of-fact citation of polling at Thursday's Republican debate. He's only four points behind in Iowa and gaining, solidly ahead in New Hampshire, and has momentum nationally too. There's a very real possibility that he wins the first two primary contests and leaves Clinton scrambling to recover in South Carolina.


http://www.vox.com/2016/1/18/10784810/democratic-debate-winners-losers-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
4. Interesting - author executive editor for The New Republic
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jan 2016

Isaac Chotiner

"The magazine's outlook is associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and "New Democrats" such as former US President Bill Clinton and Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman, who received the magazine's endorsement in the 2004 Democratic primary; so did Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008.[11] While defending federal programs, like Medicare and the EPA, it has advocated some policies that, while seeking to achieve the ends of traditional social welfare programs, often use market solutions as their means, and so are often called "business-friendly."

I am not surprised at the author's analysis based on this info.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
13. As O'Malley explained, her defense of Obama was a cop out, a smokescreen.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jan 2016

He even called her out on using 9/11 in a previous debate for the same reasons.

I can't even believe anyone would use the word "sincerity" to describe her unless it is in terms of how she "sincerely" wants to be president. She lied all week long trying to batter Sanders before the debate. She's dishonest, calculated and ruthless.

Oh, and she didn't win the debate according to most people.

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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
16. She was not in charge.......
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jan 2016

The people's revolution are speaking loud and clear. Bernie Sanders was in charge and clear and concise.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
20. There isn't any people's revolution going on,
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jan 2016

and there won't be one. This is called a primary, and Hillary will win it.

Clear and concise? He was a one-note debater. He wanted to bring everything back to Wall Street, no matter what the question was.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
24. You sound like you are against democracy.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jan 2016

You realize a primary is when "people" vote, right?

Hillary doesn't just get to declare herself the winner. And nor do you.

.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
62. I know what a primary is.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jan 2016

I pointed out to you that we are having a primary, not a revolution.

"People" will be voting for Hillary in larger numbers than Sanders. That is democracy. But I can't wait to see how you bernistas spin his defeat. It will somehow be unfair and soooo undemocratic.

Gothmog

(145,140 posts)
19. Hillary Clinton was very very strong tonigh
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders had one issue that will not be solved unless the Democrats win in 2016. The only practical way to eliminate Citizens United is to win in 2016 and for a Democrat to appoint SCOTUS justices to vote to overturn Citizens United Sanders' plan is not a smart way to win a general election. Refusing to take super pac money only means that will be at a disadvantage in the general election

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
30. You actually believe Clinton will appoint justices that will overturn Citizens United?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:10 AM
Jan 2016


Her owners would never let her appoint those kind of justices. They loooove them some Citizens United. Thats how they get to buy politicians like her.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
56. Clinton was the target of Citizens Untied.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jan 2016

If you don't think she'd take steps to overturn it, you're delusional.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
57. Guy, HER OWN HUSBAND put on the Supreme Court...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jan 2016

Breyer and Ginsburg, who both voted against Citizens United.

Gothmog

(145,140 posts)
66. Clinton has promised to use this as a litmus test
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

President Obama was against Citizens United but had to use a super pac in 2012 to keep the contest close. Hillary Clinton is against Citizens United and has committed to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn this decision https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/14/hillary-clintons-litmus-test-for-supreme-court-nominees-a-pledge-to-overturn-citizens-united/

Hillary Clinton told a group of her top fundraisers Thursday that if she is elected president, her nominees to the Supreme Court will have to share her belief that the court's 2010 Citizens United decision must be overturned, according to people who heard her remarks.

Clinton's emphatic opposition to the ruling, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums on independent political activity, garnered the strongest applause of the afternoon from the more than 200 party financiers gathered in Brooklyn for a closed-door briefing from the Democratic candidate and her senior aides, according to some of those present.

"She got major applause when she said would not name anybody to the Supreme Court unless she has assurances that they would overturn" the decision, said one attendee, who, like others, requested anonymity to describe the private session.

If the make-up of the court does not change by 2017, four of the justices will be 78 years of age or older by the time the next president is inaugurated.

This is the only practical way to undo the damage done by Citizen United in that it will be impossible to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the states to undo this decision. That means that if you want to get rid of Citizens United, then one must support a candidate who can win in 2016 and support the most viable general election candidate.

oasis

(49,378 posts)
37. Refusing money in hopes that small potatoes donors can
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:36 AM
Jan 2016

match the unlimited funds of Sheldon Adelman and the Koch Brothers.

Get real.

DFW

(54,365 posts)
25. I thought the moderators spent most of their time......
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

....asking Bernie questions and then letting Hillary rebut them, while throwing O'Malley the occasional bone. I wasn't impressed with how it was conducted, and therefore can't really say that any of them really "won," seeing as how I thought it was not evenly conducted. O'Malley gave a brilliant short interview after the debate, and got to say a lot that he should have been allowed to say during the debate. The moderators' concentration on trying to get Bernie and Hillary to bite each other in the leg, while somewhat successful, could have been done far more professionally, I thought.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
65. To be honest not really. What do we have like 350
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

million people in this country and those three are all we could come up with? Hillary is angry and mean spirited. Bernie is like
Rudy Giuliani and the noun and verb and 911 with his millionaires and billionaires. O'Malley has all the charisma of Jeb Bush.
The only people even worse than these three are the clowns on the Republican side.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
29. HRC was mediocre at best in the debate
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jan 2016

her clingingness to Obama was a pathetic attempt at pandering for the AA vote.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
48. Re. the pathetic attempt...........
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:39 AM
Jan 2016

I'm fairly certain that it was at this point in the broadcast where I was forced to retire to the kitchen to crush up a couple of Excedrin tablets and wash them down with vodka.
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
31. Another story from your source.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jan 2016

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/17/debbie_wasserman_schultz_says_debate_schedule_maximizes_exposure.html

^snip^


The Head of the Democratic Party Is Either a Failure or a Liar


Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz said today that the Democrats' 2016 presidential debates were scheduled to reach the largest audience possible.

I did my best to make sure, along with my staff and along with our debate partners, to come up with a schedule that we felt was going to allow for the—to maximize the opportunity for voters to see our candidates.

Here's when the Democratic debates have been held:

8:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 13
9 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 14
9 p.m. on Saturday, Dec. 19
9 p.m. tonight, on Sunday of a long weekend
The Dems' second debate was the "was the lowest-rated primary debate this campaign season from either party" until the third debate, which "got the lowest TV ratings of any debate this cycle." Or, in visual form:















ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
36. She did. She fired her big guns early on -- NRA, BLM, ACA, police violence --
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jan 2016

and kept her head above the scrum in the second half. Bernie on the other hand looked about to blow a gasket half the time and kept coming back to campaign finance reform, but Hillary had already knocked the wind out of that sail by bringing up American Crossroads, a Wall-Street funded PAC run by Karl Rove that has launched ads against her in Iowa:


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. I think Sanders "won" the debate and I really like him. I still believe Clinton wins the GE.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:43 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders does not win the GE. Love the guy, but that's enough to know he can't win the GE. And that is what's the greatest importance.

I wish he'd tell his staff to let his hair grow a little wilder. It's been too neatly groomed lately.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
54. I feel the same way about Sanders, who will be another McGovern or Dukakis.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jan 2016

If the stakes weren't so high, would love to see him run against GOPers.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
41. Of course she did.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jan 2016

She has won everything so far.

She's won the corporate support.
She's won the MSM support.
She's won the 1%er support.

In 2 short weeks we'll find out what the people that vote actually think. I imagine you'll be surprised.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
44. It's not even dawn and the media already at it.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:05 AM
Jan 2016

Telling us that she 'won' the debate in spite of the focus groups and polling heavily favoring Sanders. Again. Same as the last three times.

Whatever. It's expected.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
52. Sincerity???? OMG!! You have got to be kidding
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jan 2016

there is nothing she won't lie about and no pandering that is too low....

marew

(1,588 posts)
55. Exactly!
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jan 2016

And then she sent her new attack dog Chelsea out to lie about Bernie! I can barely even look at Hillary anymore and will NEVER vote for her! NEVER! She and Wasserman Shultz are GOP lite!
Remember when Hillary said she was "dead broke"? Clueless, insensitive, greedy...

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
58. One thing that really turned me off was how she continued in the vein that Bernie wanted to
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jan 2016

take away the ACA, i.e. take away healthcare coverage. I haven't seen much comment about it, but I thought it was sad. Sanders was so much more convincing and strong on healthcare than Hillary was, who didn't even try to offer any fix for the ACA's issues.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
61. I've been looking at comments all over the Internet this morning and that's not my take.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jan 2016

I'm getting the impression people think Hillary is Republican light and trying to convince people she's better than far right Republicans. Another comment I've seen quite a bit is that she's gone into "full political" mode and attacking Bernie as if he's so far ahead she hasn't got a prayer. The fabrications don't help either.

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