POLITIFACT splits pubic hairs.

[Uncle Joe]

(snip)

However, as negotiations were in their final stage, Sanders successfully pushed for the inclusion of $11 billion in funding for community health centers, especially in rural areas. The insertion of this funding helped bring together both Democratic lawmakers on the left and Democrats representing more conservative, rural areas.

"There was no one who played a more important role than Sen. Sanders" in securing that funding, Daniel Hawkins, vice president of the National Association of Community Health Centers, told the Intercept last year. (Sanders’ camp forwarded PolitiFact the Intercept article as evidence for his statement.)

So there’s a good case to be made that Sanders made an important contribution to the final legislation.

(snip)

Sanders’ statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. That meets our definition of Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/18/bernie-s/fact-checking-bernie-sanders-claim-he-helped-write/

Without Bernie's inclusion of 11 billion dollars in funding community health centers bringing together those Democratic Lawmakers on the left and Democrats representing conservative rural areas, the ACA wouldn't have passed, it had no Republican support.

Thus, my finding is that POLITIFACT is mostly full of shit.

[DJ13]

1. Ever since the rising use of poitical "fact" sites I've wondered who they serve

There are times (increasingly so in recent years) when it seems they mostly serve the status quo instead of strictly the truth.

[Downwinder]

2. Who do they credit for the Act?

Romney, The Heritage Foundation, or Insurance Cos?

[merrily]

3. Not the first time that Polifact has twisted itself into a pretzel in order to avoid saying

Sanders was right.

[Uncle Joe]

4. This was a prime example of how Bernie fostered to seal a rift within the Democratic Party, help

people around the nation with increased funding in community health centers and ultimately aided President Obama with his signature health care policy.

[merrily]

5. Yep. Perfect example of the adage that "No good deed goes unpunished."

[Segami]

19. Send Politifact this gif....

[Uncle Joe]

20. How's that?

[Segami]

21. No,....no....not you...Politifact!

[Uncle Joe]

22. Cool, thanks for the image.

Peace to you, Segami.

[NCTraveler]

6. "Bernie Sanders exaggerates with claim that he helped write Obamacare"

Bit more than a little exaggeration. As they said, Sanders was "mostly false" on this one.

If you want me to quote directly from the article:

"Mostly False"

lol

[Uncle Joe]

7. Perhaps you didn't read the OP again, I posted their contradictory conclusion to the the body of

their own article, along with my own finding that they're full of shit.


lol

[NCTraveler]

8. I will take their findings over yours. Their findings are Sanders is "Mostly False"

in this instance. I agree with them.

[Uncle Joe]

9. Their findings are that water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit but it doesn't become ice.

Good luck with that kind of logic.

[NCTraveler]

10. Their findings are at the link in your op. "Mostly False"

You are arguing for the same case they made. It's the reason it didn't get a "completely false" from them. They were pretty kind in giving it a "mostly false." Seems it was very close to a "false." Ticking in the opposite direction from where you are going. I do like that they have been kind to Sanders here. Not always the case with democrats.

[Uncle Joe]

11. Bernie stated that he helped write it, which in fact is true, Bernie's inclusion per POLITIFACT'S

own article states this brought together "Democratic Lawmakers on the left and those representing the more conservative rural areas" if they hadn't come together, the ACA may never have passed.

However, as negotiations were in their final stage, Sanders successfully pushed for the inclusion of $11 billion in funding for community health centers, especially in rural areas. The insertion of this funding helped bring together both Democratic lawmakers on the left and Democrats representing more conservative, rural areas.

The inclusion is helping to write, there is no logical basis to deny this.

[senz]

13. I hope you realize that some will not argue facts.

If countering them helps to get facts out there, fine -- but otherwise it's useless. Some want to argue intelligently, some want only to score political points.

[Uncle Joe]

16. I don't do it for them, but for the readers out there that believe in using reason and logic.

Peace to you, senz.

[senz]

17. Good tactic. I never know how to deal with it.

To me, it's a kind of open, unabashed depravity. It embarrasses me.

[Uncle Joe]

18. You just have to find and stay in your inner peace

[senz]

23. Aww...

that is so cute and true. I used to practice something called Centering Prayer aka Contemplative Prayer but these days only do it in brief moments, kind of like checking in. It is always a place of peace. Maybe I'll take it up again, because the bad vibes/bad faith/bad intentions on DU can be nauseating. I have a cousin who is a Buddhist and has meditated every morning for decades. I think I'll send him the photo; he'll like it.

Thanks, Uncle Joe!

[Uncle Joe]

24. There were times when

I meditated or used self-hypnosis that I felt a sense of euphoria with the sensation of floating through the ceiling, it can be a most powerful and awakening experience.

I used to have some CDs that would aid in this endeavor but they were lost in a move, I need to get some more, but I will never forget that feeling and even though this was a while back, it's comforting because I can always go back and revisit, not to mention it never totally goes away.

Peace to you, senz.

[senz]

25. I know exactly what you mean.

I've had the same type of experiences, mostly when younger, but found them unnerving and usually put on the brakes to stay grounded. But I think I could handle it now. I did a lot of investigating into eastern religions, which eventually led to quite a bit of guided meditation, and was very amenable to it, especially visual meditations. It comes naturally. In fact, I often have a sublayer of really nice imagery running through the back of my mind -- things like palm trees waving in the breeze, light sparkling off water or weaving through leaves, water gurgling along a stream, walking paths through woods, vistas of what look like rolling English countrysides from a hilltop, the sides of redrock canyons, vast expanses ocean from a cliff -- and hundreds of others. I'm not sure if it's "normal" and have never inquired, but it is enjoyable. It often happens as I drift off to sleep. But this, of course, is not the still mind of meditation. I can only do that via Centering Prayer, I think because it is deeply relational; there is something to hold on to.

Huh. Wandered far from politics there. Let's visualize Bernie winning and America coming together for the good of all. Let's visualize something good coming our way, something lifting. Couldn't hurt, could it?

[Uncle Joe]

26. That sounds like a great visualization to me, senz.

[senz]

12. Bernie made an important contribution to the ACA that helped get it passed.

Bernie's contribution also made the ACA a life-saver for poor people living in rural areas.

However, as negotiations were in their final stage, Sanders successfully pushed for the inclusion of $11 billion in funding for community health centers, especially in rural areas. The insertion of this funding helped bring together both Democratic lawmakers on the left and Democrats representing more conservative, rural areas.

No one can deny that. Bernie didn't say he wrote the ACA; he said he helped write it. He did, and he was a big help.

POLITIFACT should have said TRUE or at the very least, PARTLY TRUE.

[Uncle Joe]

14. I agree, their logic makes no sense. Bernie's inclusion was a critical aspect bringing together the

two wings of the Democratic Party, which was desperately needed to pass the ACA unless someone out there believes the Republicans would've picked up the slack.

[Prism]

15. Bernie's contributions were a big deal on DU until Clinton needed them not to be

Yet another case where helping the poor needs to be diminished in order to serve Clintonian interest.

Boring.

[pansypoo53219]

27. i ALWAYS queztion politifacts READING. they tend to be blind + skewed.