Is the establishment already preparing to dump Hillary?

[NorthCarolina]

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Just watched an exchange between Andrea Mitchell-Greenspan and Ed Rendell regarding the increasing possibility of Hillary losing the first three primary contests to Bernie. Ed indicated that at that point the establishment would probably tap someone like a Biden to jump into the race in the hopes of taking Bernie down.

So clearly, the Democratic establishment has no intention of tolerating a Bernie candidacy under any circumstances. To me that seems completely undemocratic, to actively work against the wishes of the voters by trying to derail their choice.

I am curious as to how others would view this course of action.


Link to the video http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/debate-tone-contentious-over-issues-603806787787

The exchange on this topic between Andrea and Ed starts about 6 minutes in if you want to skip ahead.

[antigop]

1. where was this exchange? nt

[NorthCarolina]

36. Here's a link to the video

http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/debate-tone-contentious-over-issues-603806787787

The exchange starts after about 6 minutes in if you want to scroll ahead.

[antigop]

40. thanks. nt

[NorthCarolina]

46. Welcome

[antigop]

47. so who was the "prominent Democrat" that Andrea mentioned? nt

[Jack Rabbit]

108. Somebody who didn't want to be named

So, she's not telling us. That's part of her job.

What I don't thinks anyone wants to see is the Democratic establishment start playing fast an loose with the primaries. If Bernie wins enough delegates in the primaries to be the nominee and is still denied the nomination through subterfuge, then it will be my cue to re-register as an independent. I don't believe that the nomination will be worth very much under those circumstances and the reaction will be fierce and not very positive. Perhaps I will overcome a very bitter sense of betrayal and still vote for whatever bastard takes Bernie's rightful place on the ballot, but not every Sandernista will do that, especially the overwhelmlng majority of them who don't post on DU.

It would be a very good idea that any oligarchs' water boy in the DNC has any thoughts of engaging in that kind of intrigue that they just quietly forget about it and not mention it again. We'll pretend no one said anything and the less we hear in the future, the better.

[Robbins]

55. What's intresting

is mitchell ignores nevada and raises possibly of bernie winning SC after wins In Iowa and NH.

This race would go into shock by MSM and dem establishment if bernie were to pull off wins in Iowa,NH,Nevada,and SC.

If this sceniro happens Clinton is done for.losing first 4 contests and winning nomination lol

the establishment would be in for shock if they hedge their bets on Biden being able to stop Bernie.

[NorthCarolina]

65. Thats just it. For Andrea to even mention the subject means you can bet your bottom dollar

the establishment...like the guy she sleeps with every night...is going to have to shit or get off the pot before Super Tuesday if they think Hillary is a losing proposition. I feel sorry for her tried and true supporters, the folks with their feet on the street because they will be the ones truly let down. Just goes to show that allegiance to a candidate is for voters, not DC Power Brokers and financiers.

[Robbins]

71. this race is a lot different than anyone thought

Clinton was miss inevitable and they laughed at bernie.noone is laughing now

outside of CNN many pundits are doing something we never thought possable.admit Bernie had a good debate night.

Bernie winning both iowa and NH isn't a crazy idea anymore.Mitchell admited on tweety show last friday bernie could win nevada
because it's caucus state.remember most don't even talk about nevada.i find that very intresting.

James Clyburn though he supports clinton has said good things on bernie's organazation In SC and has said if Bernie could pull off 10 point win In Iowa then bernie winning SC is a possibilty.

The big tell on real state of race last night was Clinton trying to tie herself to obama.I called it trying to hide behind Obama.To me
that says she is actully In weaker postion than they want to admit.Clinton has been trying to run for ge acting like primarys are mere formality untill recently.If she was so strong in SC and bernie has no chance why try to connect herself so much to Obama.
She seems not to get it in between her private fund raiser obama touched on a lot of bernie's themes In SOTU apart from TPP.

They can trout out all the nationwide polls they want but CLinton's actions show this is real race,and Clinton could lose.

[Plucketeer]

75. " this race is a lot different than anyone thought"

Yes it is. But this country has yet to have experienced it's own "Arab Spring". Maybe that's what's developing here!

IF the DNC were to pull some rabbit out of their hat AND the RNC were to ignore Trump, what the HELL sorta De-mock-race would we get treated to???

Such doings would only reinforce Bernie's calling of a revolution. For that's what it would incite. And WOULD the ruling class be able to enforce their will on the masses.

[draa]

88. Our own "Arab Spring" is an interesting concept.

That's actually a brilliant observation and something that just clicked for me. The best part is, if Sanders wins and that's our Spring, then Clinton unwittingly pushed for her own undoing by stirring unrest.

Anyway, thanks for giving me some food for thought on the issue.

[Volaris]

107. Mrs. Greenspan is the quintessential Establishment (Third Way) Democrat.

VERY Progressive on Social Issues (because that's safe political ground now) and as much as a chickenhawk as she needs to be to keep her job, but when it comes to ecomonics and financial parity its
'I got mine, fuck yours.'
into the marrow of her bones.

For the record, I can't stand her. In this cycle, her unoffical 'job' is to protect the economic racket (im sorry, im sorry.. i meant LEGACY) that her husband set up at the Fed and on on Wall Street. Alan ADMITTED that his economic theroies were dead wrong and IN PRACTICE a dramatic failure, but as long as no one does anything to actually CHANGE POLICY, that admission won't cost them anything..and THATS what the Corporate State and it's sycophant media puppets need to have happen.

I think by the time South Carolina is done voting and were off to Super Tuesday, Senator Sanders had better agree to Secret Service protection BIGTIME.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. Hillary's done. Biden would be an improvement over her, though that's not sayin much.

Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Depaysement]

129. SC is key for Sanders

Assuming he wins NH and is close or wins in IA.

African-Americans are HRC's Maginot Line. That line breaks and she's done. A Sanders win in SC breaks that line.

No way the dem PTB allows Sanders to win. There's lot of money and power riding on an HRC win. A lot.

[closeupready]

58. lol they don't even TRY to hide their pro-corporate biases now.

These overpaid newsreaders are SO living in their own little bubble worlds ... I don't know, what can you say. It's utterly ridiculous.

"If it turns out that Bernie is more popular, than Hillary, THEN what are we going to do?!" "Well, Andrea, then we'll have to go to the scorched Earth plan." I mean, just

[KoKo]

133. ....! Thanks!

[scottie55]

96. Must Read OP On Andrea Mitchell Lying About Bernie's Plan / Smear Job

Another OP on this crap. Must Read.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511029757

They have to spin everything.

Right wingers.

[LexVegas]

2. Does the fact that Andrea Mitchell hasn't taken her husbands name offend certain men? nt

[UglyGreed]

3. Maybe she is ashamed

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27335454/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/greenspan-admits-mistake-helped-crisis/

[Empowerer]

5. Apparently, given how much it's remarked upon in these parts

[DisgustipatedinCA]

6. Not likely. Why?

[Bleacher Creature]

12. Seems like it.

I'm a guy. I find Andrea Mitchell to be pretty terrible. I find Alan Greenspan to be worse.

That said, she made a choice to keep her maiden name and to forge her own identity. She gets to make that choice, and I respect it 100%.

It's not that complicated and this garbage doesn't belong on a Democratic-supporting website.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. No, her comments regarding the financial crisis that her husband helped cause is offensive.

She should have not reported on it. She was biased but presented herself as if she wasn't.


http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_elephant_in_the_control_ro.php?page=all

^snip^


The Elephant in the Control Room

Should Andrea Mitchell be reporting on the economic meltdown?

By Megan Garber

SEPTEMBER 24, 2008

When Andrea Mitchell reports on the current financial crisis—or on anything that relates to the crisis, which is, these days, a lot—there is an excessively large elephant in the control room. Its name is Alan Greenspan.

That Greenspan is Mitchell’s husband doesn’t, under normal circumstances, warrant disclosure or special treatment. Mitchell is a career journalist who knows what conflict of interest is—and how to avoid not only its appearance, but also, one hopes, its effects. Under normal circumstances, it would be unfair to hold her husband against her.

Under normal circumstances. But the credit crisis—and the current meltdown we’re facing, whose effects, assuming we can find a way to stanch them in the short term, will likely be with us for generations to come—is not normal circumstances. Greenspan, by virtue of his nearly-nineteen-year chairmanship of the Federal Reserve Board, is, to some extent, culpable in the crisis we’re facing. Critics have accused the Greenspan-led Fed of inflating the housing bubble by keeping loan rates too low for too long, encouraging reckless lending and borrowing. Greenspan himself has admitted as much, telling CBS last year, “While I was aware a lot of these practices were going on, I had no notion of how significant they had become until very late. I really didn’t get it until very late in 2005 and 2006.” And as The New York Times put it in a December 2007 article headlined “Fed Shrugged as Subprime Crisis Spread” (emphasis mine),

Until the boom in subprime mortgages turned into a national nightmare this summer, the few people who tried to warn federal banking officials might as well have been talking to themselves.

Edward M. Gramlich, a Federal Reserve governor who died in September, warned nearly seven years ago that a fast-growing new breed of lenders was luring many people into risky mortgages they could not afford.

But when Mr. Gramlich privately urged Fed examiners to investigate mortgage lenders affiliated with national banks, he was rebuffed by Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman.

[elleng]

17. Seems to 'offend' lots of people around here.

[JonLeibowitz]

20. Maybe it isn't about "taking her husband's name"? Maybe it is about identifying biases

I'm not sure. In any case, I'll defer to a Hillary supporter because I've heard that they would not be misogynistic and sexist towards a successful woman like Andrea Mitchell.

[beltanefauve]

89. Where did you get those from?

[JonLeibowitz]

90. From Here:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4418&start=225#p40724

[roguevalley]

98. I was just on a jury by someone being pissed that other places are being

discussed and it was overwhelmingly allowed to stand. Just in case someone gets offended.

[NorthCarolina]

23. Doesn't offend me at all, but I think it is fine

and warranted for folks to know the association, just in case they are possibly unaware. That's why I posted her name that way, no other reason I can assure you.

[floriduck]

25. It's not the name that's the issue.

It's her ideology.

[kenfrequed]

27. No

I am offended by Alan Greenspan. Period.

I think it is odd that a journalist married to a man that Bernie has repeatedly castigated before congress ended up being one of the moderators.

[catnhatnh]

35. Way to hijack a thread....

Why don't you go start (another) your own?

[passiveporcupine]

79. Very silly question, and rude

Not everyone knows she's married to Greenspan. Showing his name is indicating why she might be biased in this conversation.

But then you already knew that.

[Jack Rabbit]

110. Who cares? I don't.

That's her business. Moreover, she had a well-known professional identity long before she married Alan Greenspan. It's not something we need to ponder. As a matter of importance, I rank it along below Paris Hilton's driving record and above Bill Clinton's sex life.

[TIME TO PANIC]

4. I Dare them!

The shit would hit the fan.

[ViseGrip]

11. Media whores don't surprise me, but Biden would get trampled. Is he not establishment enough?

Running him would not be a great way for Joe to go out....

[NorthCarolina]

34. I don't believe Joe would do it actually.

I've heard him talk about Bernie and so I think ,albeit reservedly, that there may be too much respect between them for him to do so.

[Robbins]

63. I agree

I don't think he would do it.

He has given praise to Bernie.Kind of hard to do that and then run against him.If he tries to run saying i agree with bernie on many things but i support TPP that's not a winning stagedy.

[roguevalley]

99. I think he's smarter than trying to foist himself into the void but if he

ever did he would be ruined forever

[Samantha]

112. I wouldn't have thought so either, NorthCarolina, but Rendell said Biden is available

They have already talked to him about it, should Hillary lose the first 3, the Democratic party would look for someone to jump in, and Biden will make himself available. Perhaps that is why he said the other day he regrets his decision not to run every single day. Biden must be playing us.

I really like him, but if the Democratic party pulls a stunt like this, I think the outrage against the party will be horrendous.

Who do they think they are? Never mind, I know. They are acting like Republicans....

Sam

PS listen to that video!

[mmonk]

8. Exactly as you. Like I said, I've learned quite

a bit since this primary started.

[Motown_Johnny]

9. Nobody else can jump in.

Anyone who tries would be seen as illegitimate. It would be the end of that person's reputation.


Our choices are clear, the Lesser Evil or the Greater Good.


P.S. Was this on her show? I would love to see a video of that discussion.

[Samantha]

113. The link is above

6 minutes in, Ed Rendell says if Hillary loses the first 3 contests, the party will look for someone else to jump. They have already talked to Biden, and he will make himself available. Listen to it! You won't believe they would openly say something like this. They are not even going to try to hide it!

Sam

[brooklynite]

10. Idle pundit speculation

It's too late to get a new candidate organized and funded. That said, if a new candidate did come in, they'd have to get people to vote for them, in which case they wouldn't be working "against the wishes of the voters".

[karynnj]

87. not to mention- it's too late to get on some primary ballots even if they could get petitions in now

so, if they want a non Sanders alternative to HRC --- I think their only choice is to somehow make OMalley a superstar.

[NCTraveler]

13. "Andrea Mitchell-Greenspan"

Transparent.

[UglyGreed]

19. This such BS

I don't give a damn if a woman takes a man's last name or man takes a woman last name. Makes no difference at all SMH. Tell me why did Hillary drop Rodham this time around??? She should be proud to continue on carrying her maiden name unless is just more politics instead of substance..........

[NCTraveler]

22. Transparency to a new level. Thanks. nt.

[UglyGreed]

31. More deflection

and perhaps slander. It's getting very old.

[NCTraveler]

33. Where is the "slander?"

You can't be serious?

[UglyGreed]

37. Saying everything

is related to sexism when it clearly is not. I did not mean your post per say but this strategy some seem to have.

[NCTraveler]

42. "More deflection and perhaps slander."

Thank you for backing down from that. It was clearly directed at me and clearly wrong. I appreciate you backing down from sending that in my direction.

[UglyGreed]

43. Well it seems that

you were indulging in that tactic but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

[NCTraveler]

45. No clue what doubt I'm being given the benefit from.

Thanks for backing down from your initial wild accusation about me. Slander. lol. I got a big smile out of that.

[UglyGreed]

48. Slander as in falsely

accusing Sanders supports and even Bernie Sanders himself as a sexist.....

slan·der
ˈslandər/Submit
nounLAW
1.
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
"he is suing the TV network for slander"
verb
1.
make false and damaging statements about (someone).
"they were accused of slandering the head of state"
synonyms: defame (someone's character), blacken someone's name, tell lies about, speak ill/evil of, sully someone's reputation, libel, smear, cast aspersions on, spread scandal about, besmirch, tarnish, taint..........

[NCTraveler]

51. Glad you took the time to look it up. I'm assuming that finding that is why you backed off your....

initial claim. Good day all the way around.

[UglyGreed]

61. I'm not really

backing off just trying to avoid a hide which I feel at times some here shoot for

[NCTraveler]

66. Ohhhh. You didn't mean this? "I did not mean your post"

Interesting. I can't stop laughing.

[retrowire]

72. You're rude. nt

[Major Nikon]

117. Results...

On Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

This such BS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1026297

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Sexist shit like this does not belong here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:32 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing wrong with the post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You are stretching.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn, another frivolous HRC fan alert. Last one just today went 0-7.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Empty alert. Where's the "sexism" part?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[UglyGreed]

131. I thought

it would happen....... thanks for posting. Really sad.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. So Hillary supporters are allowed to call her Mrs. Greenspan but Sanders supporters aren't?

[retrowire]

73. eeexactly! We're all sexists remember!? nt

[one_voice]

93. I call her an asshole because I can't stand her.

[roguevalley]

100. sit by me, one_voice. I do too. :D

[kenfrequed]

30. No one cares

It is about her ideology and her sympathy to the banks.

[NorthCarolina]

57. I responded to this "comment" in post #23 above.

Truth should always be "transparent", never obscured.

[NCTraveler]

60. Agree. While I don't like seeing the direction of the op,....

I do appreciate it's transparency.

[NorthCarolina]

67. I have to be honest with you, were I a Hillary supporter

I think I would like to know more about their intention before I spend any more time and effort, or money, on my candidate. If Andrea brings up the subject, and Ed Rendell responds without flinching as is the case here, it's a safe bet this subject is being/has been discussed in backrooms someplace and they both know about it.

It's a special kind of Democracy we have I guess.

[NCTraveler]

69. Hillary is the most vetted candidate on either side. That is extremely well known.

Knowing what I know is why I support Clinton.

[roguevalley]

101. we don't even know the depth of the shit going on here. No one is

vetted when they're ready to toss her out and run with a total outsider/Insider like biden. They're all shit heads and jail isn't enough to appease this assault on our country.

[NCTraveler]

123. I truly have no idea what you are talking about.

Who in the world is going with Biden? And I really don't think any of Sanders campaign staffers are going to jail for Data Gate. It's just not going to happen.

[in_cog_ni_to]

119. It is being discussed in backrooms. Joe Scarborough and Harold Ford Jr. were discussing the same

thing last week. Scarborough talked with people in-the-know and they told him the same thing - Biden or John Kerry would get in the race to stop Bernie. And, FYI, it was the very next day when Biden publicly complemented Bernie and soon thereafter the corrupt Corporate owned MSM actually started covering Bernie and acknowledging he exists. Out of the blue those two things happen simultaneously - for no reason?

Now Mrs. Greenspan repeats what Scarborough said and Rendell concurs? Something sinister is going on and Biden is a part of it. His praise of Bernie was schmooze, not sincere, IMCPO.

This movement is too huge for the establishment to stop. Biden or Kerry can't stop it, so then what?

I hope Bernie stays off small airplanes.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[onehandle]

14. Seeing that it is a near certainty that she will win our nomination...

...no.

[NCTraveler]

16. "So clearly"

One of these days I will figure out how Sanders supporters "so clearly" come to their thoughts.

[libdem4life]

50. Not likely in this lifetime.

[NCTraveler]

52. From your lips to Gods ears. nt.

[libdem4life]

56. Yes. We finally agree.

[roguevalley]

102. after the first of february, you will know. Given the fumbling of her campaign

I am happy you feel so confident. I do remember a totally purple map after the debate ...

[Loudestlib]

97. You post garbage

n/t

[sufrommich]

18. What do you mean he "indicated" ? Did he say that

or not?

[NorthCarolina]

26. Said he agreed

with Andrea that it is not "likely to happen" but that "Is certainly one possibility out there".

Here's the link: http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/debate-tone-contentious-over-issues-603806787787

Starts at about 6:30 into the interview.

Enjoy!

[Robbins]

24. what could happen

Bernie takes iowa,NH,and nevada,a state which MSM for some reason doesn't talk about,and Clinton pulls off win In SC but not
as high a win as some thought.

Then panick steps in with establishment that their mis inevitable has lost 3 states to a fringe canadiate.

Then they might try to draft someone into race before super tuesday.they throw support to this person instead of Clinton.and pray this personc an beat Bernie in primarys that remain.

I don't think Biden or Elizabeth Warren would do it however.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. That wouldn't work at all

if Clinton is arrested they might try to pull something like that. I hope she isn't.

[JVS]

28. Aren't there ballot deadlines or logistical factors that would make such an intervention impossible?

Or at least impractical?

[stevenleser]

125. Yes. That is why this discussion is one of the dumbest things I've seen on DU ever

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

Scroll down to election dates and filing deadlines. It's already too late to qualify for the primaries/caucuses of a significant number of states let alone mount a campaign in them.

If Ed Rendell said anything resembling this he was completely ignorant of the facts and made stuff up regarding "the establishment" talking about this because anyone "in the establishment" would know without checking that it is way too late.

[FloridaBlues]

29. Hillary isn't going anywhere she will both early states .

I think sanders realized his chances just dropped during last nights debate.

[angrychair]

62. Really?

With all due respect, you are out of step with the vast majority of professional debate watchers and common people alike. As that is not the opinion of debate watching instant polls conducted by the networks, Goggle, Twitter and dozen or more online polls, Washington Post, NBC News, NY Times and the Huffington Post, just to name a couple sources off the top of my head.

It is valid to state that an online poll or two, once or twice, has been flooded with supporters from one side or the other but every poll, Google and Twitter, after every debate is absurd as it sounds. That is some serious tinfoil hat shit right there.

[roguevalley]

103. Google's purple map showed who won that debate. I don't recall another color

anywhere on it but Bernie's purple. Even Chuck Todd nearly swallowed his tongue.

[Kalidurga]

32. That would be the stupidest thing they could do.

Even in the event the FBI charges Hillary with something which I doubt will ever happen. But, if they did. It would still be stupid as hell. It would be better for them to throw their support to Martin O'Malley who is in the race and hasn't given up.

[leftofcool]

38. No, they want her to win and she will

[NorthCarolina]

44. It's obvious the establishment wants her to win.

Nobody is arguing that. However, in the video I am referencing, Andrea Mitchell and Ed Rendell are discussing that Bernie stands a good chance of winning NH and IA, and that he is making strides in SC, and that if Hillary looses the first three contests to what the establishment considers a "fringe" candidate, or if she loses the first two contests and then just squeeks by in the third, that the establishment would take pause and look toward some alternative candidate.

http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/debate-tone-contentious-over-issues-603806787787

Starts about 6 mins in.

[Kentonio]

94. It amuses me when they talk about Iowa, NH and SC being the first 3

Because they actually are in the Republican primaries. Such a telling mistake.

[MisterP]

39. Biden definitely regrets not running and just "looks" presidential--but it'd be seen as a Hail Mary

pass after three losses in a row by a party elite determined to lock the voters out of power--nor will Clinton go quietly

[wilsonbooks]

41. Bring them on. Bernie will beat them all.

[1monster]

49. Great idea if your idea is to hand Donald Trump the keys to the White House.

I love Joe Biden, but I'm supporting Bernie.

[libdem4life]

53. It would be an Oops Establishment Candidate. The thought of it brings an almost indecent amount

of glee. Hey American people, if you didn't like her...let's try on another one? (Wonder how many chances they get?)

[valerief]

54. Time to reform the Democratic establishment, I think. nt

[kenn3d]

70. This is precisely Bernie's intent from the start...

valerief: "Time to reform the Democratic establishment, I think."

...A fundamental Reformation in the Democratic Party. To oust the oligarchic neoconservative establishment which has usurped the party since the Clintons took power, and return it to the will of its still progressive base.

If successful, this will save the party from itself and perhaps even restore some semblance of democracy to our 2 party system.

[senz]

59. It's the people vs. money. Democracy vs. plutocracy (aka oligarchy)

The big players are taking their masks off. We're finally getting down to the nitty gritty.

[ancianita]

64. If they reject him, I see a massive floor fight against DWS and for Bernie, taken to the streets.

[roguevalley]

104. I will be there too. I don't want to die in a fascist country, youngin's. Be

there too.

[HassleCat]

68. Hillary Clinton is the estabishment

They're not thinking of dumping her. They're just working on a contingency plan in case Sanders wins primaries.

[Sienna86]

74. They're probably also considering the FBI investigation.

Funny they think someone would have to jump in and run against Bernie. He represents the Demoscratic values I grew up with and still appreciate.

[roguevalley]

105. consider how incestuous everyone is. Someone knows something and they're

working out how to keep it in the family. (Mob)

[Fast Walker 52]

76. it's just dumb pundit bullshit

Both Mitchell and Rendell suck

[NorthCarolina]

77. Regardless, you can't deny that both Andrea and Ed have connections

to establishment power brokers....hell, Andrea is married to one. I hardly think they just pulled this from their ass, so there's far more to it than "dumb pundit bullshit". Let me guess, you didn't watch the video.

[Fast Walker 52]

80. No, I did not watch it. Mitchell and Rendell are both annoying as hell.

I'm sure those two are voicing what they've heard others say, but it's still elitist bullshit.

[antigop]

91. Harold Ford, Jr. also mentioned something similar on Morning Joe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128095489

[Schema Thing]

92. And what they are doing is trying to poison the well, wrt Bernie.

I doubt they have any plan, they just want to get the idea out there that Bernie is WILDLY FRINGE!!!! RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!

[cannabis_flower]

78. I have always voted for the Democrat but...

If Hillary loses and they try to force us to take someone besides Bernie that could be a problem for a lot of people. I will vote for Hillary or Bernie if they win. I'm not sure I couldchoiceh to the next in line establishment choice.

[Marty McGraw]

82. I doubt at this stage

Biden would suddenly lose any sense of moral integrity and take that tap.

I certainly have misjudged before though...

[NorthCarolina]

83. That was my initial thought too

seeing that Biden had some nice things to say about Bernie recently, I think he would refrain out of respect.

[Samantha]

115. Rendell says clearly in the video they have talked to him about it

and he will make himself available. They are not even trying to hide it. They have no shame.

Sam

[Chef Eric]

84. Ed Rendell has become the prototypical DINO.

For several years, he has worked actively with Alan Simpson (R) to cut Social Security in order to "fix the debt."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fix_the_Debt's_Leadership

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-valania/ed-rendell-fix-the-debt_b_2728295.html

Ed Rendell is a vile man.

[DFW]

106. And Greenspan is a Republican

If they are making efforts to talk down Hillary, it's because Republicans see her as their most likely opponent, nt because they think the opposite. Whether they are right or wrong is another matter entirely, but this is NOT Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell you're talking about here.

[SmittynMo]

85. It's MSM.

It's all about sensationalism and ratings with them. Don't believe anything from them.

Nobody is going to replace anyone. It's not going to happen. Nobody can match Bernie and his outlook for Americans. No One. Replacing the messenger will be just as disastrous, if not worse. It would change nothing. People are fed up. It's time to actually change something.

[IllinoisBrenel]

86. State Ballots!

By the time of the primary in South Carolina, how many state ballot deadlines would have passed? Maybe 10 or more? This doesn't seem feasible?

[Babel_17]

95. In this scenario, Clinton delegates would go to Biden

So they have a bit of time. Clinton may get enough of a vindication from the FBI that all this ends up as nothing. Is Mitchell just milking more air time out of some vague rumors? Or is there real chatter from people with a better sense of what is brewing than us?

We'll soon see. One thing most everybody seems to agree on is that the FBI is adamantly/institutionally opposed to releasing any kind of late surprises into this election cycle. So between now and the end of March, by my reckoning, we'll have a much better sense about this. Though it could still be up in the air. But in that case it would at least be semi-officially up in the air.

Imo, and just my 2 cents.

[Lil Missy]

109. if the establishment were going to dump somebody, it would be Bernie Sanders.

[Live and Learn]

111. Bernie is not theirs to dump. Sorry to disappoint you. nt

[underthematrix]

114. In a sense you're right. Bernie is not a Democrat

[in_cog_ni_to]

120. That's a lie. Bernie is a REGISTERD DEMOCRAT.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[underthematrix]

121. Bernie explained why he registered as a Democrat in 2015.

He needed the Democrat machine, it's infrastructure. He said it was a pragmatic choice, a compromise. I will never understand though why he just didn't run as an independent. That would have made more sense.

[in_cog_ni_to]

122. He's a registered Democrat.. n/t

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[underthematrix]

132. If he were a voter, I would say congrats! vote blue but

he's running to be head of a party he doesn't like and just sued in federal court.

[UCmeNdc]

124. Because he would have lost, and ultimately elect a Republican

This way he will most likely win if he gets the Democratic nomination. If he does not get the nomination then he is better off at any rate by exposing his concept to a much larger audience than running as an independent.

[Live and Learn]

130. And you are back to square one. nt

[JTFrog]

116. No. n/t

[EdwardBernays]

126. Breaking News!

Party politics are not about democracy.

[Hoyt]

127. Not quite the same thing, but FDR was first nominated at a brokered convention where

a lot of horse-trading goes on.

[stevenleser]

134. If no one captures the necessary delegates outright then all bets are off. Heck we could see Al Gore

nominated at that point, or John Kerry or Biden or whomever.

Problem with that is, then those folks would have to build a 50 state campaign infrastructure in time to mount a serious campaign within days. You only have around 10 weeks from the conventions to election day.

And yes, I am sure both Hillary and Sanders' supporters would be very upset if a brokered convention passed both of them over.

[1939]

128. Unless there was an incument, most conventions used to be brokered

No candidate would come in with a majority. A lot of state delegations would come in pledged to a "favorite son" (usually a governor ro senator from that state). Based on the deals offered, the favorite son would release his delegation to a candidate after ther second or third ballot.

The situation looks a little like 1972 after Muskie face planted. To try and stop McGovern, who the establishment thought would not do well in the general, the PTB tried to build up Humphrey for a second run, but McGovern had too much momentum built up and a host of enthusiastic supporters.