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Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:28 PM Jan 2016

The biggest net successes of the ACA are basically...

The expansion of the eligibility of medicaid, elimination of denials of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, and guaranteed free appropriate screening tests.

In other words, stuff that resembles a common sense single payer system.

The other parts of the ACA, such as the subsidizing of the for-profit insurance industry and the exchange system plans with massive deductibles which are the only plans that people can actually afford is a mixed bag and often just a crappy deal.

And that the ACA has done very little (??? anything ???) to reign in crazy drug prices is a huge failure.

Yes it is an improvement but mainly in the areas that resemble a single payer system.

So anyone trying to preserve the ACA over a single payer system is just selling the average American short.

Anyone who believes a single payer system would be better but wants to "give up" the fight is either a coward or a quitter.

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Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
2. Bernie said he wants to compliment the ACA with new programs, but not eliminate it.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jan 2016

That was in a talk with Cornell West, if I recall. I don't know what he meant, but I guessed it was like saying it is a process.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
4. Unless...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jan 2016

We're talking significant improvements to the ACA, stuff that would really change it quite a bit. ACA is a good first step, but a small first step.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. I think it's done much more
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016

In my mind, the ACA stands for the principle that the government has a role to play in making sure that all people have access to health insurance.

It doesn't fully accomplish that goal of course, but it sets a course toward universal coverage.

Clayguy61

(31 posts)
7. More than little Success
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

While I favor Medicare for all over Obamacare, I cannot seeing Medicare for All being passed and voted on. It would require a landslide election with Democrats taking both the House and Senate for single payer to be a reality. Even with landslide elections it will be hard to add a public option-which we should try. The ACA has added 11.2 million people purchasing health insurance then there are about 13.50 additions with Medicare expansion. This law has also kept about 3 million young adults on their parents policy. The ACA is a big deal and it is working-not the best. Trust me with our 5 different health care systems we are not efficient. To say Obamacare has done very little is not true.

http://www.acasignups.com/

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
8. The ACA
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

Has done a lot for previously uninsurable people but has not done very little to help control health care costs... Gave a lot of money to insurance companies and hospitals but in real figures has not lowered health care costs much if at all stil can go bankrupt and lose everything if you get seriously ill...

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
9. A lot, ? most, of the millions getting health care is actually them getting a medicaid plan.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

That's what I see. It is basic "single payer" for poor people... which actually works.

If you get medicaid it is actually awesome insurance and better than what most people pay for.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
10. The ACA is an important first step. We should build on it & improve one it.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jan 2016

We shouldn't be campaigning to give the GOP a victory & throw it away.

When Social Security started, it only paid benefits to the elderly, widows and orphans. It was slowly expanded over decades to eventually cover everyone. It would have been incredibly foolish to try and start from scratch whenever we wanted to expand the program. Doing so would have given Social Security's enemies the opportunity to eliminate it several times over.

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