Notes from the trenches: Examples why Romney will lose.

[democrat_patriot]

I've noticed a few things here that lead me to believe Obama will win a 2nd term.

1. WORK: The VP's here who always loudly talk GOP 'news' have gone silent. Not a peep. No mention of the convention, or politics in general. My cube mates who listen to Rush on their phones every day (and giggle) have completely gone silent on the election. Normally they talk every morning for 30 minutes about why Obama hates America. Nothing.

I like to put political cartoons showing Romney/GOP as idiots in the break room. Normally they are in the trash within 10 minutes. Today there are 3 on the table, and 1 pinned to the corkboard.

2. FAMILY: My sister is severely pro-life. It's the only reason she votes GOP. Yesterday she said she does not care for Romney, as he seems out of touch. I ran through a list of items; from the environment to equal pay. At the end I pronounced "You are a liberal" - she AGREED. I also told her Obama has done more to stop abortions than any GOP'er - via help and assistance to pregnant women. "Want to stop abortion - make it easier to have a child" - she agreed again.

My father: Still thinks Obama is a muslim, and probably owns Rush Limbaugh underwear. He's 86 with Alzheimer's and probably won't vote anyway.

My mother: A lifelong Republican. Is voting for Obama. I didn't pry into it, just said "you make me proud mom"

The tide is turning, at least from where I sit.

[djean111]

1. It is the actual counting of the votes that is a danger, now.

I just got a robo-call about voting by mail. I no longer trust much of anything I get by mail; I will need to check the address something goes to, after reading about ballots being sent to GOP headquarters in some state. Better to vote in person, methinks.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Ballots themselves should never go to or from any political party

Most likely illegal.

Forms requesting to vote absentee by mail likely can be mailed to voters by organizations and received by them. But the actual ballots need to be mailed directly by them and completed ballots received directly from the voters by mail or in person.

If you do receive an application request find out where and how it can be sent to your local election board. Where I am I can fax my app to the board. At least one state allows the request by email.

[Eric J in MN]

2. sister

RE "My sister is severely pro-choice. It's the only reason she votes GOP."

Pro-life?

[democrat_patriot]

3. Pro-life!! Sorry!

I'll edit.

[sobenji]

4. I refuse to use that term anymore.

None of them are pro-life, they are ALL just pro-birth.

[n2doc]

7. I call them Fetus worshipers

They don't care about anything else. And when you get down to it, they don't care about the fetus either since they won't support neonatal care and programs that help support pregnant women. It is all about punishing fornicators.

[nichomachus]

9. I call them "anti-choice"

They don't give a rat's ass about life or about fetuses. If they did, they wouldn't be gung ho in favor of war and they would be bending over backward to make sure pregnant women got top-notch medical care. They just don't want people to have control over their own bodies. That's it.

[cr8tvlde]

14. Anti-Choice it is ... Goes along with their One Way meme. My way or the highway.

It's really starting to further the Party of No. Get these prurient men out of both the lady parts and man parts they so thrill to conjure up in their vicarious minds to wage their War on Sin and Sex and Sensibility.

[Th1onein]

11. That is not true.

It's a broad brush to paint us pro-lifers with. I'm probably one of the few pro-life Democrats here. I'm against the death penalty and I'm against war of any kind. There is a consistency to those beliefs, and it is the very essense of being pro-life.

[cr8tvlde]

15. And because you are on here, most of us respect your right to have those opinions.

But even a Democrat, even an anti-war/anti-death penalty Democrat crosses the line when they preach to another human being. There is absolutely no congruency between supporting a political policy and meddling and judging another family's personal life.

The soldier made a choice to go into the military. (usually) The convict made a choice to commit an egregious crime. (hopefully it is not a set-up) A woman just accidentally got pregnant...or is unprepared to support it...or criminally got pregnant...or is not healthy enough to carry to term. An unwanted vaginal wand inserted as a kind of Premier Showing for all to see is a bit more personal than holding up an anti-war sign.

JMHO.

[Th1onein]

16. That's what society is about.

Making laws, setting limits. We do that to protect ourselves and each other.

We both believe that we have no right to take another's life. Pro-lifers simply believe that life begins at conception. To them, that is a life. To you, it is simply an embryo.

[Th1onein]

18. First of all, I don't appreciate you implying that I am a liar.

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Far from being a "Pro-Life-American Babies" person, as I said in my post further upthread, I am anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-abortion. All for the same reason.

What this means is that I don't think that we should be killing anyone, not in war, not against people of other countries, not in cases of crimes (even very egregious crimes), not in utero, not ever, except in very clear cut cases of self-defense.

Second, I'm not religious at all. In terms of the continuum from atheist to theist, I am agnostic. Third, far from being ethnocentric, I have a mixed race grandchild, because I introduced my daughter to the baby's father hoping they would hook up and I'd get a grandchild out of it.

Fourth, it's really beyond the pale to accuse someone you know only one fact about--that they are anti-abortion--of being a "cultural and bigoted PHONY." It does nothing to further your argument and makes others who favor your cause look really bad, by example.

Finally, if you cannot reason, then the answer is not to attack; it is, instead, to maintain a respectful silence while you wait for someone who DOES have that ability.

[smorkingapple]

5. Republican enthusiasm is waning which is a great thing...

If they don't think Romney has a chance, which he doesn't, they won't show up which also has bad implications for down ballot races.

[freshwest]

6. Great news, make sure Mom & Sis are registered. You gave the best answer on the issue of abortion:

"Want to stop abortion - make it easier to have a child"

That is so much easier ror more people to grasp than the social safety net!

I will explain as you did, Obama has done more to stop abortions than any GOP'er - via help and assistance to pregnant women.

Thanks, I will use that!

[n2doc]

8. cartoon for your break room

[tk2kewl]

10. make sure you tell your sister about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021389848

[savalez]

13. Wow what a life!

You certainly are a Patriot. Good work.