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(47,460 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:58 AM Jan 2016

Nate Silver: Who’s Winning Iowa And New Hampshire?

Nate silver's two different results as measured by two different methods.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whos-winning-iowa-and-new-hampshire/

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The first model, which we call polls-only, is based only on polls from one particular state. (Iowa polls in the case of Iowa, for example.) It’s basically an updated version of the model we used for the primaries four years ago.

The second model, polls-plus, also considers endorsements and national polls, in addition to state polls, and tries to consider the effect that Iowa and New Hampshire could have on subsequent state contests. (National polls aren’t necessarily a positive for a candidate in the polls-plus model; instead, it’s a bearish indicator when a candidate’s state polls trail his national numbers.)

Historically, polls-plus would have been somewhat more accurate, but it’s pretty close — so we think the models are most useful when looked at together. Indeed, they present different perspectives on the races this year, mostly because of that endorsements variable, which helps Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio but hurts Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. If you take a strictly empirical view of the primaries, accounting for the establishment’s historical tendency to win out in the end, you’ll probably prefer the polls-plus model. If you think “this time is different” — or you’re a Trump or a Bernie fan — you’ll probably like polls-only instead.

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Iowa: Because public opinion can shift rapidly in the primaries, our models put a lot of emphasis on the most recent polls. That’s good news for Sanders, who has been neck and neck with Clinton in Iowa polls published this month after trailing her for most of last year. In fact, the race is nearly a tossup: He now has a 45 percent chance of winning Iowa according to polls-only, although the polls-plus model, noting Clinton’s dominance in endorsements, is more skeptical of Sanders, giving him a 27 percent chance instead.

New Hampshire: Here, there’s a split between the models. Sanders is a 73 percent favorite according to polls-only, while polls-plus — noting Clinton’s advantage in endorsements and that she’s favored in Iowa — gives Clinton the slightest edge, with a 53 percent chance to Sanders’s 47 percent. Essentially, she’d be following the path that Al Gore took over Bill Bradley in 2000, when an Iowa victory propelled him to a narrow victory in the Granite State. But the polls-plus model is designed to lower the effect of the endorsements variable to zero by election day in each state. So if Clinton keeps falling in New Hampshire and Iowa polls instead of rising, the establishment may not be able to bail her out, and she’ll have to contemplate the possibility of being swept in both states.

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jfern

(5,204 posts)
7. As we get close to the election, even the pollsters and predictors that are in the Hillary camp
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jan 2016

Will be trying to unbias themselves for their final prediction if they don't want to lose all credibility. So predictable.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
4. Boy That Polls-Plus is Powerful stuff
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jan 2016

In New Hampshire it costs Bernie 26 points!!! You know-enough to give Hillary a small lead. I wonder why it only gives an 18 point penalty in Iowa???
Maybe it smells less when Nate pulls less out of his ass?

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
5. Remember when 538 said that Bernie's momentum had hit a wall?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:54 AM
Jan 2016

The natester's credibility has hit a wall.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
8. Not just that, 538 said Jim Webb would be the anti Hillary
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jan 2016

And that Trump would immediately crash and burn.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
6. When Mr. Silver is hedging his bets...the tide is really turning.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jan 2016

Camp Weather Vain must be in full meltdown mode.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
9. This is from a Nate Silver post of 12 Jan.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jan 2016

It's hardly "hedging" his bets. He explains the differences quite clearly.

- Polls only = all polls from one state only

- Polls plus = all polls + endorsements + other factors

Of course, they will give different results. It is more likely that the polls-plus prediction will be closer to the voting results.

But we'll only know that for sure on the respective caucus/election days.

In the meantime, people will see what they want to see and will believe what they want to believe. There's certainly nothing wrong with that.

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