Bernie wants to do the job of president while Hillary wants the title of the 1st woman president

[awake]

Hillary is not presenting any new ideas, just keep the status quo of the 3rd term... Bernie wants to build on what Obama started and take the next step, Bernie knows it will take changing Congress to make the nessary changes but he is sharing a goal of were we can go. Bernie is also asking us to not just vote for him he is asking us to get involved and become the change and helping make it happen while I feel that Hillary just wants us to trust her and give her the power, Bernie wants the people to have the power.

[Agschmid]

1. Unrec. Totally bogus.

[reACTIONary]

2. - 10, down vote - HRC is a

.... dedicated public servent who has devoted her life to progressive chsnge. She has the experience , the ability, the wisdom and.... most important . .... the WILL to make a difference.

[pandr32]

15. I certainly agree! Anyone who is awake should.

She has the support of the overwhelming majority of Democrats in Congress to help her continue the progress we have started, and she has a good working relationship with many key foreign leaders and dignitaries, so she will not have to struggle to earn their trust and respect. Her experience, and her diplomatic skills are heralded.

[AlbertCat]

29. devoted her life to progressive chsnge.

Was that when she was a Young Republican?

"devoted her life to progressive change.".... where do you guys get these fantasies? Blind fans.... just like Teabaggers. "devoted her life"...pu-leez. Had she not been 1st Lady, no one would know who she is.

[AlbertCat]

43. she is an evil hostile enemy of the people.

Who said she was? Not I.

" all her life for progressive causes" In Kindergarten? When she was a Young Republican?


"understands how to actually make progress" She lost the 2008 primary....and then there's her health care plan she did for Bill.


When you look at the facts, you see the ridiculous hyperbole from goo-goo eyed fans.

[reACTIONary]

46. Indeed, You did not...

.... so I'm deleting my comment.

However, i will leave you with some interesting assessments from today's wapo concerning Hillary's ability to govern vs sander's .

Sanders’s all-purpose argument is to call for a “political revolution” that will vanquish the dark interests standing between the nation and his vision. His campaign is not about governing in the real world of trade-offs and constraints. Which is to say, it is not about governing at all. It is increasingly worrying that large numbers of Democrats appear to believe otherwise.

Bernie Sanders’s angry, unrealistic call for ‘revolution’ http://wapo.st/1SrBsg5

On issue after issue, Clinton proposes incremental solutions that take into account our political system as it is: sharply divided along ideological lines and warped by gerrymandering and virtually unfettered campaign contributions. Sanders proposes dramatic solutions that will only be possible when power is wrested from “big money” interests that refuse to do “what the American people want them to.”

Will Democrats choose evolution — or revolution? http://wapo.st/1P0LceT

Mostly, though, /Clinton is/ the classic one-eyed person in the land of the blind: Who else is there? Pray, not Bernie Sanders. If he played Capt. Renault in “Casablanca,” he would have said, “Break up the big banks” instead of “Round up the usual suspects.” To him, it’s the same thing.

Hillary Clinton, enough with your ‘plans’ already http://wapo.st/1SsFKE4

[livetohike]

3. I disagree. Saying that is like saying Bernie wants to be the oldest President to take office.

See how ridiculous that sounds? Hillary is the best qualified to be President, both in education and experience.

[tazkcmo]

6. I am Woman!

See how ridiculous your will full ignorance sounds? How many elections has she won? How many years in elected office has she served? How many times has she played the Gender Card? Answers: Yes, 2 (In Democratic strong hold NY) 8 (In Democratic strong hold NY), Every time she gives a speech.

Sec Clinton has logged more hours getting paid by Wall St, Big Pharma and out H1B King Tata than she has serving in elected office.

[livetohike]

21. Enough times to fully understand the job of President and be successful at it. She has a coalition

of endorsements and backers for a reason. She will get things accomplished as President. It appears, with the lack of Senate and House endorsements that Sanders has, that confidence in his ability to get anything accomplished is lacking.

[reACTIONary]

42. +10! And let's NOT underestimate the importance of...

Administrative / executive experience, including appointed positions, as opposed to legislative experience .

[MisterP]

16. Honduras, Iraq, Libya, Syria--so inspiring!

[livetohike]

23. Looks like you have been watching FOX too long. n/t

[AlbertCat]

32. and experience.

Well, I guess she knows where everything is in the White House....

Other than that, not much there.

[tazkcmo]

4. And

Commander In Chief. That's what scares me the most though it's a close call.

[awake]

5. So that she can tell the Russians that they can not fly over Sierra

That's not going to turn out well

[NCTraveler]

7. Status Quo my ass.

College Compact: Costs Won’t Be a Barrier

Lifting incomes for everyday Americans is the defining economic challenge of our time. And to raise wages, there is no better investment we can make than in education. College graduates earn $570,000 more on average in their careers than high school graduates. Graduates of community college, career training, certificate programs, and coding boot camps also earn more.

Read her ideas to tackle the problem here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/08/10/college-compact-costs/

The Human Rights Campaign said it chose Clinton because she has presented the "most robust and ambitious LGBT plan any candidate for president has ever laid out."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-endorsement-lgbt-rights_us_569e2aa5e4b0cd99679b3e74

It’s not enough to condemn campus sexual assault. We need to end it.

“I want to send a message to every survivor of sexual assault: Don’t let anyone silence your voice. You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed, and we’re with you.” Hillary, September 14, 2015

An estimated one in five women report being sexually assaulted while in college. Hillary will fight to bring an end to sexual assault on America’s campuses—because every student deserves a safe environment where they can learn and thrive, not live in fear.

Thanks to the efforts of advocates and survivors, we are seeing the beginnings of good work around the country. President Obama’s administration has worked hard to shine a light on campus sexual assault.

Read more here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campus-sexual-assault/

And here: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-roll-out-plan-combat-sexual-assault-colleges-n427016

Our criminal justice system is out of balance.

“I will never stop working on issues of equality and opportunity, race, and justice. That is a promise. I’ve done it my entire adult life. I will always be in your corner.”
Hillary, JULY 31, 2015

Hillary believes our criminal justice system is out of balance. In her first major speech of the campaign, she said we have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in America and called for an end to the “era of mass incarceration.”

Read more here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

Affordable health care is a basic human right.

In 1979, Hillary chaired the Arkansas Rural Health Advisory Committee, which focused on expanding health care access to isolated rural areas of the state.

• As first lady, she refused to give up when Congress defeated health care reform. Instead, she worked with Republicans and Democrats to help create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which now provides health coverage to more than 8 million children. Senator Ted Kennedy said that if not for Hillary, the Children’s Health Insurance Program wouldn’t be in existence today.

• As senator, she introduced legislation to reduce the cost of health insurance expenses.

• Following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary pushed the Bush administration for $20 billion for recovery and to address health care needs of first responders who suffered lasting health effects from their time at Ground Zero.

Read more here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

We must preserve, protect, and strengthen these lifelines.

“Now, I will also defend Social Security and Medicare from the efforts of the Republicans to privatize both of them. When I was in the Senate, George Bush came up with a privatization plan. Some of you might remember that. It would have been a disaster. And we defeated it. As your president, I will defend it. I will not let anybody think that they can privatize it. But we're going to have to make sure that we shore it up so that it is there not just for those who are currently recipients but for generations to come.”
Hillary Clinton, OCTOBER 28, 2015

Throughout her career, Hillary has spoken out for seniors and stood up for Medicare and Social Security, and she is committed to preserving, protecting and strengthening these lifelines for today's seniors and for future generations. Seniors have paid into these programs for a lifetime, and they've earned those benefits when they retire.

Read more here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

I could go on. Fact is, it seems I am really proud to be part of a movement you define as the "status quo."

[angrychair]

44. I'll take one of your points

One that is important to me: college cost. I am drowning in it. I have been attempting to manage it most of my adult life and will until the day I die as I have no way to pay it off in my lifetime. I make "to much" to qualify for most payment programs and to little to actually make the payments they want without resorting to living on public assistance, which I likely wouldn't qualify to get either.



My bigger point I'm making is I wouldn't be in this position if we had done what almost every other nation (all first world nations) on Earth have done: free or near free university system through a progressive tax burden shared by its citizens. What HRC proposes is this:

"Provide grants to states that commit to ensuring that no student should borrow for tuition and improved affordability for other costs at 4-year public colleges and universities."
This is a sham proposal. Majority of states have teapublican governors and legislatures and requiring and getting their buy-in will never happen. If they are willing to refuse Medicare money, they will refuse to do this.

Not to mention that her proposal will have an additional burden on the poor and middle class by this:

"Families will be expected to make a realistic and simplified family contribution. Students will contribute based on wages from ten hours per week of work."
Requiring them to work and go to school, carrying a full load of classes and working 10 hours a week is very difficult for many, if not impossible, while being a successful student at the same time. Sure, people do it but it sure as hell isn't the ideal and no other 1st world nation makes they type of requirement of its students.

To make this short and sweet, I'll make it simple:
Sanders ask me, as middle-class, to pay a little more in taxes, in return we get paid family leave, free college tuition and universal healthcare. In return, I get to stay at home with my sick spouse without using all my leave or going into debt or both.
Send my kids to college without them or me burdened with crushing debt I can't pay.
No longer having thousands of dollars taken out of my check and paid by my employer to have comprehensive and nationwide health coverage. No more overloaded emergency rooms or medical debt bankruptcy (which, as an aside, contributed to riding healthcare cost).

Lastly, what, they (every other 1st world nation) can do it but we can not? Are they more competent? Capable? Committed? Is it because we are a bunch of special flowers? ("We're so special" and "we're so different&quot . It can work everywhere else, just not here. So special, we currently do it in a way that puts more money in only a few pockets and continues to burden low and middle-class families with a lifetime of debt?

STOP THE LIES

[Dem2]

8. Oh good, insult our f****** intelligence

That's the way to get people to your side. Trashing this piece of garbage thread.

[Mike Nelson]

9. Both candidates have won office and...

...worked. Neither just sat there and enjoyed the title. Both would welcome being "firsts" too!

[FlatBaroque]

10. You are sadly mistaken: Hillary has a radical agenda that is far worse than "status quo"

Remember she is a timeshare politician and she has a LOT of owners. See: 1) role of Lanny Davis in the illegal actions in Honduras, 2) role of Sidney Blumenthal in the destruction of Libya. She has to pay back many investors and she will destroy the planet to accommodate them.

[A Simple Game]

11. I see the "Bernie Busters" are out in full force. Must be some bad poll numbers coming soon. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Dear sir or madame, can you please disabuse me of the notion your premise has sexist overtones?

Thank you in advance.








Respectfully,
DSB

[awake]

13. The reason that I hear most from HRC is her need to break the last glass ceiling

And now she is saying that she wants to be Obama's third term where I hear Bernie giving us a goal to reach for of single payer health care and breaking up the big banks he is also asking us to get involved in a movement to change how we elect or gov. not to just except thing as they are Hillary say we can not change the system so she has sold out to it where Bernie is asking us to make the change happen knowing he will need a lot of support to inact the changes that our country still needs

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. She has a B.A. From Wellseley, a JD from Yale.

She has a B.A. From Wellseley, a J.D. from Yale law School, and is a two term senator from a large and heterogeneous state, as well as being a former Secretary of State. She has as least as much necessary experience for the job, if not more so, than any candidate in the field, and would be qualified for the job if her name was Harold Clinton.

[awake]

24. This is not about her sex! "Harold Clinton" wtf

It is who will move this country forward on top of the changes Obama started. Yes Hillary is better than any of the GOP candidates but that is not saying very much Bernie wants to empower us while I get the sense that Hillery is more interested in herself and her backers

[AlbertCat]

33. a large and heterogeneous state

Oh look... GOP talking points. "VT is a small state"

[el_bryanto]

14. While I support Bernie that's an overly harsh analysis. nt

[awake]

19. Yes it does seem harsh

But I have yet to get any real hart felt reason to vote for Hillary from her, it seems like she is sponsored by very powerful interests who want to stay in control be they from Wallstreet or the head of a union.

[KentuckyWoman]

17. I disagree with you in the strongest terms.

You are entitled to your opinion but I think you are just wrong.

I plan to vote Bernie in primaries, but to say Hillary is in it only for ego is ridiculous. Hillary and Bernie both have proven they'll roll their sleeves up and do the heavy lifting. We've all seen the pics posted by RW haters of her at Senate meetings with her hair pulled back in a pony tail and no makeup. The woman is not afraid to work.

Give Hillary her due.

[INdemo]

20. Obama at his worst has been

A better President than Hillary could ever hope to be.

[Duval]

22. Excellent OP, awake.

That is how I see it unfolding. Hillary is the "stern Mother" who thinks she knows it all and we must fall in line and trust her. Bernie
is firing up the people to become actively engaged as a way for their voices and ideas to be heard. This is just my opinion, of course.

[awake]

25. I agree and whith out that strong engagement Wallstreet will stay incharge

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Sir or madame, you introduced gender into our discussion.

Bernie wants to do the job of president while Hillary wants the title of the 1st woman president.

-awake

This is not about her sex! "Harold Clinton" wtf

-awake

Let me repeat myself. By dint of experience, accomplishments, and temperament Hillary Clinton is eminently qualified to be president and her gender is of no moment, regardless of how much some people want to make it so.

She would be eminently qualified if her name was Henry Clinton.




Respectfully,
DSB

[awake]

28. Yes it si not about gender

It is about judgment and I will take Bernie's judgment about getting into a war with Iraq over Hillary's experience any day of the week.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Sir or madame, if it wasn't about gender

Sir or madame, if it wasn't about gender why did you make Secretary Clinton's gender the topic of your seminal post that began this thread, ergo:

"Bernie wants to do the job of president while Hillary wants the title of the 1st woman president...'

-awake

I can only speak for myself but I would be supporting Secretary if she was a Martian, though I suspect she wouldn't be a naturalized American, and thus her eligibility for the presidency would be in dispute.


Always respectfully,
DSB

[awake]

38. This post is about what I an hearing from each candidate

About why they want to win and I have heard Hillary's desire to "Breake the last glass celiling" as a reason one should vote for her most of what I hear from Bernie is about what "We" can do to make change happen. I have no issue of HRCs gender, I would vote for Elizabeth Waren in a hart beat over Bernie.

[WIProgressive88]

27. I am not a Hillary supporter, but I don't think that this is fair.

I happen to disagree with her on a number of policies, but she has been a dedicated public servant, and I have no doubt she wants to be president because she wants to do what she sees as best for this country. There's plenty to criticize in terms of her policy positions without questioning her character or making unfair statements regarding gender.

[Nitram]

30. Wake up. They are both excellent candidates. Clinton is not the anti-christ.

Enough with the sliming already.

[BlueMTexpat]

37. I could not agree more.

Thanks for saying what I think!

[Rider3]

34. Well put.

[hedgehog]

35. Yes!

[Ino]

36. Hillary thinks this is a prize to be won

She's playing a game for the title. She adjusts her tactics, works on her "authenticity," changes her positions, misleads... does whatever she needs to do to win. She does not operate from a base of integrity. She has no core beliefs she won't compromise. She parses everything she says. Her opinions are the result of poll testing. She pretends to care -- uses events/people -- to score points.

[BlueMTexpat]

39. What an absolute crock!

ALL THREE Democratic candidates want to do the job of President. Why else put themselves through the long torture of the primary season? We are very fortunate to have such good candidates. All three are putting their ideas out there and we will all be the better for having heard them.

Shame on you and everyone else on DU who has to make every post a Hillary-trashing one!

[Paladin]

40. You members of the Bernie Purity Police give me a large pain.

This thread is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Hillary remains my first choice for President. If she fails to secure the Democratic nomination, then, and only then, will Sanders will get my vote. Those of you who don't like it---tough.

[pinebox]

45. And just why do you support a candidate

who can't even get behind a living wage, free college and universal health care?
Honest question.

Why are you supporting this? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record

Think about it.