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thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:59 AM Jan 2016

Sanders has paid staff in all 11 Super Tuesday states; HRC does not

from http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/us/politics/hillary-clinton-readies-for-a-long-slog-against-bernie-sanders.html

For all its institutional advantages, the Clinton campaign lags behind the Sanders operation in deploying paid staff members: For example, Mr. Sanders has campaign workers installed in all 11 of the states that vote on Super Tuesday. Mrs. Clinton does not, and is relying on union volunteers and members of supportive organizations such as Planned Parenthood to help her.


So much for the idea that Sanders has no ground game for anything past Iowa and New Hampshire.

I guess HRC feels those states are pretty much wrapped up?
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Sanders has paid staff in all 11 Super Tuesday states; HRC does not (Original Post) thesquanderer Jan 2016 OP
I don't believe shit when it comes to the NYT as far as a story about the Clintons bigdarryl Jan 2016 #1
MSNBC was reporting the same thing. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #10
Why have staff when it's going to be all over by then. Right? Right? nt thereismore Jan 2016 #2
From the piece you brought here. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #3
5 unions who VOTED for who they wanted to endorse all went to Bernie. 0 to Hillary. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #11
Claim that all you want. I'm good with it. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #14
About some of those you listed.... You really are looking desperate. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #16
PP and Union member volunteers already have jobs! thesquanderer Jan 2016 #20
You are correct that many of them have jobs. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #21
Leadership of Unions and Planned parenthood may endorse her Robbins Jan 2016 #4
And pays them very well central scrutinizer Jan 2016 #5
Of course she'll have union members who support sufrommich Jan 2016 #7
Not entirely true, but the MoveOn.org vote was ~ 80/20 Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #13
Move On is one organization. Clinton has massive support sufrommich Jan 2016 #15
No, she has support from union leaders, not from the members Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #17
Do you honestly think Clinton isn't going to have massive union sufrommich Jan 2016 #18
During the primary? Yes. I think most members support Bernie. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #19
That just demonstrates how experienced and well-qualified she is! jeff47 Jan 2016 #6
She's relying on her Super PACS. The NY times has NO credibility. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #8
the clinton campagin Robbins Jan 2016 #9
I heard that on MSNBC too. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #12
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
10. MSNBC was reporting the same thing.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe they were picking up on this story, but I am going to assume they verified it's accuracy.



They also mentioned how Hillary had lots of staff in Iowa and would need to reallocate some of those resources. Then they went into how many of her donors have already given the maximum and that she could run into money problems, like she did in 2008.

Deja Vu' all over again.


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. 5 unions who VOTED for who they wanted to endorse all went to Bernie. 0 to Hillary.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

I think the Union members on the ground advantage goes to Bernie.

The union leaders who support Hillary can get out there and go door to door in the dead of winter if they want to, but we know who the members support.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Claim that all you want. I'm good with it.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton Union Endorsements:

Labor unions[edit]

1.AFGE – American Federation of Government Employees, representing 301,992[444]
2.AFSCME – American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, representing 1.3 million[868]
3.AFT – American Federation of Teachers, representing 1.6 million[482]
4.AWIU – International Association of Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers, representing 30,000[869]
5.BAC – International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, representing 76,233[870]
6.IAM – International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, representing 570,423[441]
7.IATSE- International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, representing 125,000[871]
8.ILA – International Longshoremen's Association, representing 65,000[872]
9.IUOE – International Union of Operating Engineers, representing 374,521[873]
10.IUPAT – International Union of Painters and Allied Trades, representing 103,858[874]
11.IW – International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers, representing 123,906[875]
12.LIUNA – Laborers' International Union of North America, representing 557,999[465]
13.NABTU – North America's Building Trades, representing 3 million[876]
14.NEA – National Education Association, representing 3 million[877]
15.OPCMIA – Operative Plasterers' and Cement Masons' International Association, representing 39,000[878]
16.SEIU – Service Employees International Union, representing 1,893,775[451]
17.SIU - Seafarers International Union of North America, representing 35,498[879]
18.UA – United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the U.S. and Canada, representing 329,954[880]
19.UBC – The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, representing 520,000[461]
20.UFCW – United Food and Commercial Workers Union, representing 1,724,156[881]
21.UURWAW – United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers, representing 22,000[882]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Labor_unions

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
16. About some of those you listed.... You really are looking desperate.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/18/1451648/-SEIU-Members-Outraged-After-Hillary-Endorsement

^snip^



SEIU Members Outraged After Hillary Endorsement


But a good number of those 2-million members disagree.

New Hampshire’s local SEIU chapter (the state’s largest public labor union) has broken from national leadership to endorse Bernie Sanders, and members around the country are protesting the union’s support of a candidate running on a $12 minimum wage, when the SEIU has been leading the Fight for 15.

From the International Business Times,

“The service workers’ union has poured millions into the.. Fight for 15, a protest-driven campaign that has helped pass $15 hourly minimum wages in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles and shifted the national debate over what constitutes an adequate federal pay floor, currently $7.25 an hour.

But during the most recent Democratic debate, Clinton criticized a proposed $15 nationwide minimum, calling instead for $12. Both her opponents, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders, support $15 an hour.

Many SEIU members prefer Sanders, including Rand Wilson, a staffer for the union's Massachusetts-based Local 888 and founding member of the grassroots network Labor for Bernie…

‘It’s important to support the candidate who’s supportive of our objectives,’ he says. ‘It’ll be hard to continue to support a candidate who supports $12 an hour when there’s a viable one who supports $15...’

Wilson predicts the move will generate backlash against the leadership. Sanders is seen as a more passionate defender of the union’s broader agenda.

‘It’s going to divide the membership in the face of important campaigns — the fight to raise minimum wages, immigration reform, breaking up the banks, the need to overturn Citizens United,’ Wilson says. ‘This is the time we need to unite.’



http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-teachers-union-214190

^snip^

But the reaction is following a pattern that has played out in many major unions that have gone through the endorsement process this year -- anger and opposition from rank-and-file members who support Sanders and want their unions to hold off on any endorsement in the primary. Many teachers protested vigorously after the American Federation of Teachers endorsed Clinton in July.

Some NEA members supporting Sanders said they simply do not trust Clinton to fight for their interests -- and plan to fight back against any union endorsement. “Even if she says things that today sound supportive, she’s not going to be a steadfast friend of organized labor,” said Jamie Rinaldi, a teacher from Newton, Mass., and a union activist. “We don’t know she’s going to be the ally that’s going to stand with our legislative agenda.”




There are more examples. The 5-0 record of unions voting on who they want to endorse should be the canary in the coal mine for Clinton supporters. She just isn't the candidate you think she is.






thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
20. PP and Union member volunteers already have jobs!
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

They can't be spending 40 hours a week working for a campaign, like a paid staff can.

I think you get better efforts out of a paid staff that what you can get from asking busy people to help support you for free in their spare time.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. You are correct that many of them have jobs.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016

Five people at eight hours a week equals your one paid employee. That is how we do it and work at the same time. Something all Americans think about. How to move the system and work at the same time. Coalition building is the answer to that. I get not having a large coalition means one must go about other ways to do things.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
4. Leadership of Unions and Planned parenthood may endorse her
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jan 2016

that doesn't mean membership will go out for her.many rank and file members are pissed over endorsing her.

Bernie pays interns.Clinton doesn't.she wants you to work for free for her.

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
5. And pays them very well
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

The daughter of a friend is making $26/hour with great health insurance coverage.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
7. Of course she'll have union members who support
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

and work for her. This "only leadership supports her" isn't true just because Sanders supporters wish it were true.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
13. Not entirely true, but the MoveOn.org vote was ~ 80/20
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jan 2016

So the advantage is more likely around four to one in Bernie's favor.


sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
18. Do you honestly think Clinton isn't going to have massive union
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

support in terms of union people working for her campaign? The fact that some won't support her isn't "proof" that most wont,that's ridiculous wishful thinking.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
19. During the primary? Yes. I think most members support Bernie.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

5 unions have voted on who they want to endorse. All 5 voted for Bernie.

MoveOn is just one more example of an ongoing trend.


The leadership of unions and PP support Hillary but most members don't.


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. That just demonstrates how experienced and well-qualified she is!
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

....we'll just have to wait for the Clinton supporters to come up with some bullshit....er....reason why.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
9. the clinton campagin
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

mostly wants to run ads from her super pacs.and get those groups that endorse her to do all the leg work.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
12. I heard that on MSNBC too.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

So Sanders has his ground game going on in the Super Tuesday states.

That includes Texas!!! We're a Super Tuesday state.

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