2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders has paid staff in all 11 Super Tuesday states; HRC does not
So much for the idea that Sanders has no ground game for anything past Iowa and New Hampshire.
I guess HRC feels those states are pretty much wrapped up?
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Maybe they were picking up on this story, but I am going to assume they verified it's accuracy.
They also mentioned how Hillary had lots of staff in Iowa and would need to reallocate some of those resources. Then they went into how many of her donors have already given the maximum and that she could run into money problems, like she did in 2008.
Deja Vu' all over again.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Paid staff member vs PP.
Paid staff member vs Unions.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I think the Union members on the ground advantage goes to Bernie.
The union leaders who support Hillary can get out there and go door to door in the dead of winter if they want to, but we know who the members support.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton Union Endorsements:
Labor unions[edit]
1.AFGE American Federation of Government Employees, representing 301,992[444]
2.AFSCME American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, representing 1.3 million[868]
3.AFT American Federation of Teachers, representing 1.6 million[482]
4.AWIU International Association of Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers, representing 30,000[869]
5.BAC International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, representing 76,233[870]
6.IAM International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, representing 570,423[441]
7.IATSE- International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, representing 125,000[871]
8.ILA International Longshoremen's Association, representing 65,000[872]
9.IUOE International Union of Operating Engineers, representing 374,521[873]
10.IUPAT International Union of Painters and Allied Trades, representing 103,858[874]
11.IW International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers, representing 123,906[875]
12.LIUNA Laborers' International Union of North America, representing 557,999[465]
13.NABTU North America's Building Trades, representing 3 million[876]
14.NEA National Education Association, representing 3 million[877]
15.OPCMIA Operative Plasterers' and Cement Masons' International Association, representing 39,000[878]
16.SEIU Service Employees International Union, representing 1,893,775[451]
17.SIU - Seafarers International Union of North America, representing 35,498[879]
18.UA United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the U.S. and Canada, representing 329,954[880]
19.UBC The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, representing 520,000[461]
20.UFCW United Food and Commercial Workers Union, representing 1,724,156[881]
21.UURWAW United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers, representing 22,000[882]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Labor_unions
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/18/1451648/-SEIU-Members-Outraged-After-Hillary-Endorsement
^snip^
SEIU Members Outraged After Hillary Endorsement
But a good number of those 2-million members disagree.
New Hampshires local SEIU chapter (the states largest public labor union) has broken from national leadership to endorse Bernie Sanders, and members around the country are protesting the unions support of a candidate running on a $12 minimum wage, when the SEIU has been leading the Fight for 15.
From the International Business Times,
The service workers union has poured millions into the.. Fight for 15, a protest-driven campaign that has helped pass $15 hourly minimum wages in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles and shifted the national debate over what constitutes an adequate federal pay floor, currently $7.25 an hour.
But during the most recent Democratic debate, Clinton criticized a proposed $15 nationwide minimum, calling instead for $12. Both her opponents, Martin OMalley and Bernie Sanders, support $15 an hour.
Many SEIU members prefer Sanders, including Rand Wilson, a staffer for the union's Massachusetts-based Local 888 and founding member of the grassroots network Labor for Bernie
Its important to support the candidate whos supportive of our objectives, he says. Itll be hard to continue to support a candidate who supports $12 an hour when theres a viable one who supports $15...
Wilson predicts the move will generate backlash against the leadership. Sanders is seen as a more passionate defender of the unions broader agenda.
Its going to divide the membership in the face of important campaigns the fight to raise minimum wages, immigration reform, breaking up the banks, the need to overturn Citizens United, Wilson says. This is the time we need to unite.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-teachers-union-214190
^snip^
But the reaction is following a pattern that has played out in many major unions that have gone through the endorsement process this year -- anger and opposition from rank-and-file members who support Sanders and want their unions to hold off on any endorsement in the primary. Many teachers protested vigorously after the American Federation of Teachers endorsed Clinton in July.
Some NEA members supporting Sanders said they simply do not trust Clinton to fight for their interests -- and plan to fight back against any union endorsement. Even if she says things that today sound supportive, shes not going to be a steadfast friend of organized labor, said Jamie Rinaldi, a teacher from Newton, Mass., and a union activist. We dont know shes going to be the ally thats going to stand with our legislative agenda.
There are more examples. The 5-0 record of unions voting on who they want to endorse should be the canary in the coal mine for Clinton supporters. She just isn't the candidate you think she is.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)They can't be spending 40 hours a week working for a campaign, like a paid staff can.
I think you get better efforts out of a paid staff that what you can get from asking busy people to help support you for free in their spare time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Five people at eight hours a week equals your one paid employee. That is how we do it and work at the same time. Something all Americans think about. How to move the system and work at the same time. Coalition building is the answer to that. I get not having a large coalition means one must go about other ways to do things.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)that doesn't mean membership will go out for her.many rank and file members are pissed over endorsing her.
Bernie pays interns.Clinton doesn't.she wants you to work for free for her.
central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)The daughter of a friend is making $26/hour with great health insurance coverage.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and work for her. This "only leadership supports her" isn't true just because Sanders supporters wish it were true.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)So the advantage is more likely around four to one in Bernie's favor.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)from unions much,much larger than Move On.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Please see post #16.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)support in terms of union people working for her campaign? The fact that some won't support her isn't "proof" that most wont,that's ridiculous wishful thinking.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)5 unions have voted on who they want to endorse. All 5 voted for Bernie.
MoveOn is just one more example of an ongoing trend.
The leadership of unions and PP support Hillary but most members don't.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)....we'll just have to wait for the Clinton supporters to come up with some bullshit....er....reason why.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)mostly wants to run ads from her super pacs.and get those groups that endorse her to do all the leg work.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)So Sanders has his ground game going on in the Super Tuesday states.
That includes Texas!!! We're a Super Tuesday state.