2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHRC thinks we are a weak nation
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We can't manage to do what every other 1st world nations has done? Her proposals hinge on our inability to do what others already have done. In her eyes we are weak. Otherwise, it is hard to explain the proposals and her stance in the debate about college and definitely universal healthcare.
I'll take one of her proposals that is important to me: paying for college.
I am drowning in it. I have been attempting to manage it most of my adult life and will until the day I die as I have no way to pay it off in my lifetime. I make "to much" to qualify for most payment programs and to little to actually make the payments they want without resorting to living on public assistance, which I likely wouldn't qualify to get either.
My bigger point I'm making is I wouldn't be in this position if we had done what almost every other nation (all 1st world nations) on Earth have done: free or near free university system through a progressive tax burden shared by its citizens. What HRC proposes is this:
"Provide grants to states that commit to ensuring that no student should borrow for tuition and improved affordability for other costs at 4-year public colleges and universities."
This is a sham proposal. Majority of states have teapublican governors and legislatures and requiring and getting their buy-in will never happen. If they are willing to refuse Medicare money, they will refuse to do this.
Not to mention that her proposal will have an additional burden on the poor and middle class by this:
"Families will be expected to make a realistic and simplified family contribution. Students will contribute based on wages from ten hours per week of work."
Requiring them to work and go to school, carrying a full load of classes and working 10 hours a week is very difficult for many, if not impossible, while being a successful student at the same time. Sure, people do it but it sure as hell isn't the ideal and no other 1st world nation makes this type of requirement of its students.
To make this short and sweet, I'll make it simple:
Sanders ask me, as middle-class, to pay a little more in taxes, in return we get paid family leave, free college tuition and universal healthcare. In return, I get to stay at home with my sick spouse without using all my leave or going into debt or both.
Send my kids to college without them or me burdened with crushing debt I can't pay.
No longer having thousands of dollars taken out of my check and paid by my employer to have comprehensive and nationwide health coverage. No more overloaded emergency rooms or medical debt bankruptcy (which, as an aside, contributed to riding healthcare cost).
The cost saving are far, far greater than the cost to society.
Lastly, what, they (every other 1st world nation) can do it but we can not? Are they more competent? Capable? Committed? Is it because we are a bunch of special flowers? ("We're so special" and "we're so different" . So special, we currently do it in a way that puts more money in only a few pockets and continues to burden low and middle-class families with a lifetime of debt. That way doesn't work for me. There is a better way.
STOP THE LIES
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If somebody is poor, well, that must be their own fault, because this is America and if you work hard you will succeed. The fucking Clintons are still pushing this republican meme after twenty years.
I'll bet anything she didn't work ten hours a week to put herself through college.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)John Poet
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The 'party of no' controlling Congress,
and the presidential candidate of 'no we can't'
would probably be a good match...
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)marmar
(77,066 posts)...... they are her biggest benefactors.
dsc
(52,155 posts)sorry but it just plain isn't. I know of no one who wasn't wealthy enough not to need financial aid who didn't have to work at least that many hours as work study.
angrychair
(8,685 posts)"Sure, people do it but it sure as hell isn't the ideal and no other 1st world nation makes this type of requirement of its students."
Secondly, some people do it for college credit, as a teacher's aid but the issue here is that this will impact poor and middle-class kids and adult learners more than their wealthier counterparts.
I would rather set our nation's college students up for success, not create more barriers and struggles to be successful.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)angrychair
(8,685 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)angrychair
(8,685 posts)Under Sanders plan, after his tax is figured in, me and my employer, combined, will save $13,412...not a small amount.
Find out for you:
http://valadian.github.io/SandersHealthcareCalculator/
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I'm going to use this later! Spread it around too!
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)A baseless accusation with no examples to back it up?
The last lies I remember hearing Sunday night came out of Hillary's mouth. It was something about Medicare-for-All would dismantle Obamacare. Please tell your candidate to stop confusing Bernie Sanders with Mitch McConnell.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It's a tactic of misinformation agents.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)by the status quo for years, any longer.
We are America, and we have the worlds greatest democracy, and if we truly believe that, then we'll vote and we'll win.
angrychair
(8,685 posts)From Rude Pundit today:
"You have said that, for the foreseeable future, the primary purposes of a Democratic president will be to nominate decent judges, to have a reasonably sane foreign policy, and to prevent Republicans from screwing over the nation to appease their insane, devolved base. You have given up on dreams, at least in your lifetime, of making the giant leaps forward, the kind of eyes-open optimism that has always driven the left to fight for its causes."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511032149
Sadly, very true.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I contribute money directly to Bernie's campaign. And just so you know, I've given some to Mr. Canova. I have no money for your DNC.
It's our party. Not yours and not Mr. Cowan's. We're taking it back. We, The People, can run it better than you.
You're fired.