2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAren't you tired of the character assassination against Bernie?
I understand this is a political campaign and candidates should hit hard, but these pathetic attempts at destroying Bernie's reputation and distorting his record to the point of becoming pure lies is getting to be a bit much.
I'm tired of hearing that Bernie wants to get rid of health insurance without mentioning that he wants to replace it with actual healthcare.
I'm tired of hearing that he's in the pocket of the NRA when he has a D- rating from them and has almost always voted contrary to their agenda.
I'm tired of hearing that he has never passed a bill when he holds the record for getting amendments passed in bills.
I'm tired of hearing that he's "fighting" Planned Parenthood and HRC when he has consistently supported them for decades.
And I'm mostly tired of the shills and low-class operatives who seem to magically pop up with the exact same memes at the exact same time each and every day based on what Hillary and her trained monkey, David Brock, decide to try and spin at the moment.
And that's why I despise Clinton so very much. She long ago decided she couldn't win an election by inspiring voters with a vision of a better America, so she tries to tear down anyone who stands in her way. It's callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious, and that's not what I want in a president.
I'm going to vote with my heart and my head because both tell me that Bernie has a vision that doesn't include tearing anyone down to build himself up.
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Its Hillary that got something done for the people of
Michigan.
Sanders did nothing!!! He just bah! bah!
scscholar
(2,902 posts)when the media refuses to cover him. Refuses to cover him.
Are you sure you're getting the correct information from the source?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,615 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)don't participate if you want to throw shade but not get hit back.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I expect more from our candidates. A lot more.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)as long as it's done to candidates to help Bernie it's okay? When did he stop being a politician? He like Hillary is for damn sure ain't MLK despite claims otherwise.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)You sound like the average Team Weathervane supporter.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)when did you start thinking politics as a gentlemans sport? Do you still think a fatman give your presents at Christmas too?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Some actually seem to revel in her lies and deceptions as though it was payback for all their imagined slights. Like teapartiers, they only care that their leader is strong and cruel. They don't give a fuck whether she's actually ever right. They don't care that she was happy to use racism in both 2008 and 2016 races. They don't care that she condemned marriage equality until it became politically untenable to continue her bigotry.
They just want a bully and Hillary fits the bill.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Bernie is not this thin skinned.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)the Republican won't go in on him in the General. Go with that.
Bernie Sanders According to Fox News
This will definately pass.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)OMFG, Fox News will say bad things about Bernie, so we better just elect Hillary based on what Fox News will say.
I will NEVER let Faux News choose MY candidate for me.
Of course, Faux News will also say Bad Things about Hillary too,
so this is another non-argument.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)the fact that Republicans hate Hillary is not news, Hell they hate Obama even more. You think they are going to treat you with love and respect if you get to the General? They are Republicans. At least you know what to expect. If you think its rough now, give it a few months.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Nobody has ever claimed the Fox News or Republicans will treat us with love and respect.
Like FDR, I welcome their hatred.
I am pointing out THE FACT that Faux News/Republicans will do this to Hillary too,
so it is a toss.
FUCK a Bunch of Fox News.
You say it is going to be rough? LOL.
I've NEVER run from something because it was going to be "rough".
In fact, I've always enjoyed the challenge of things that were NOT easy.
Easy is boring and mind numbing.
I can understand why you cower before them and The Big Bad Republicans, but I have never let Fox News or The Republicans choose MY candidate for me.
If you want to continue to let Fox News determine YOUR candidate,
well....that is your choice, a choice for which I have nothing but contempt.
Time to start ignoring Fox News, and their influence on the Democratic Party.
Again....Fuck a Bunch of Fox News.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)use a strawman argument. lol
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Please look it up before using it inappropriately.
YOU fabricated a FALSE statement, and used it to advance YOUR argument.
You said:
Please post a link to ANY Sanders post here that claims we expect the Right Wing (Republicans and Right Wing Democrats) " to treat you with love and respect".
You just made THAT one up.
I have a problem with people who fabricate lies to advance their agenda.
Now, after you have reviewed the info on what a Strawman is (Google if you need it),
please point our where I fabricated anything, or used a Strawman argument.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)understand why you cower before them".
Def:
"A sham argument set up to be defeated."
You need to write that down anywhere?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You're just here to distort, deride and disrupt.
/ignore list.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)NOT THE IGNORE LIST!
Do yourselves a favor, and tell Mikey not to co opt on a dead man's legacy to help another with his own.
navarth
(5,927 posts)that was Monday, not tuesday.
you can't tell the difference between Tuesday and Monday (Martin Luther King Day), I can't help you.
navarth
(5,927 posts)you can't help anybody.
can't read a calendar, probably not. And if you need help, I'm not licenced or have the patience for that.
You came to make trouble. Enjoy it while you can.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)This website is for people who support all three candidates, not just those who throw mud and call names on HRC.
Enjoy it while you can? Are you making threats? I hope not.
navarth
(5,927 posts)First of all, thanks for the lesson about what this website is for.
Secondly...making threats? Really.
What could I threaten it with? Am I going to hurt its feelings? Doubtful.
It came into this thread to annoy the bad Bernie supporters and it had it's fun; this thread won't be around forever.
So enjoy it 'while it's here' 'while it lasts' 'while you can'. If you want to make more of that....it's your energy and your keyboard. You do what you like with them.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)tell Hillary not to hitch herself to this guys bandwagon:
http://www.muckety.com/John-D-Podesta/8565.muckety
The legacy won't be pretty.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)If I want to hear that kind BS, I'll tune into Fox News.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Thanks for making the OP's point so abundantly clear.
Killer Mike said the Sanders has a consistent and congruent history in the 'vein' of MLK. No one has ever said he was King, that he acted like King, or that in any shape or form he should be venerated as King so rightly is.
But if you were not trying to push smears and lies, you would have paid enough attention to what was truthfully said and what is just made up bullshit!
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)your decision to support Hi11ary is astonishing.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)for Hillary Clinton needs no justification to you anymore than your need to justify Bernie to me.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I don't WANT your justification! I can look at your posts and see for myself the disconnect. Good luck with supporting a deceitful, corporatist politician whose vitriol is as off-putting as her ungracious snub of Senator Sanders after the last debate.
Blech.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)like I said. I don't have to be defensive or defend anything. Or follow a cartoonish view of the world where everyone is eithera Dudley Do Rights and Snidely Whiplash.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)But thanks. I see grays in the world. I'm happy with my world view.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You have made the correct choice.
The two of you seen well-suited to each other.
No butterflies, kittens, and rainbows for me.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)you're not going to find it in a politician. And before you throw stones, former members of Bernie's staff where he was the Captain of the ship say hi.
It's like I told people Santa aint real.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Dogs rule.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Ever heard of a police cat ?
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)You take that back!!!!
they... snif... mans best friend!
Besides.... Cats are divas.
TM99
(8,352 posts)There are plenty of indications that he might have identified that way had he not been strictly non-partisan in his organization.
I think you proved my point and not your own.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)we don't use the man's legacy as an opportunity to promote any candidate. I didn't like it when they did it for Obama, I hate it now. Obama is no MLK, he's the world's first Barack Obama. Bernie can't stand on his own two feet?
Its a little ghoulish and it amounts to trying to rob the grave.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)not it they use it to describe themselves as the 2nd coming.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Cornell West seems to be really pushing this.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)West is saying that Sanders is promoting ideas that are in the tradition of MLK, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)did that, not Bernie. Why are you holding Bernie responsible?
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Obvious to me, or is this rhetorical?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)promoting a candidate.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)avatars are only used to promote a candidate? Why didn't anyone tell me signing up here?!? What rule on this site do I find that by the way?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)in support of a candidate who was a Goldwater Girl at the time that Bernie was getting arrested for supporting desegregation
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)No problem!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)and how he is 180 degrees different from the rest.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I may be tired, but I won't mind if they keep up
with their delusional red-baiting,
and attacking single payer insurance,
and blaming Bernie for pro-Wall Street laws
which Hillary's HUSBAND SIGNED INTO LAW...
They are making a huge mistake,
and Hillary is starting to look like an idiot,
as well as an opportunist with no hard principles...
I think they are going to pay dearly for this,
in Iowa and New Hampshire,
and BEYOND.
I think you can also see some of the pushback already,
in the latest New Hampshire poll that was 60-33 for Bernie.
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)take away your heathcare? Ridiculous!
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)i will vote for whichever nominee is the winner. i will vote for her or him.
if bernie wants to dump "obamacare" ..... the insurance that paid for my 3 hospital day stay because i had CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE --- well then i won't be very happy with him. that hospital stay cost over $100,000 and my bill was covered. now i have medicare
I already pissed because of what he said about planned parenthood today
we need to build on the aca..... not dump it and start over.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I'm not really equipped to answer that concern, though I have a hard time believing a single payer system wouldn't cover that from what I have heard of other single payer systems. It is an important question for people pushing single payer to answer though. Quelling fears of people who have already benefited from the ACA is an important step.
A big reason I support single payer is that such systems have been the most successful around the world compared to any other type of system when it comes to cost, quality, and coverage for the majority of people. The ACA has increased coverage and eliminated some of the most vile practices in the health insurance industry, but costs still continue to increase at an unsustainable rate.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Why fear loss of ACA while the change is occurring?
Bernie Sanders is not running on removing your health care. Hillary Clinton has scared you it seems.
Bernie has released his universal Health Care Plan. Why is it worse that Hillarycare?
Wait a minute: Where is Hillary's changy, costly upgrade, Plan, to We the People? Where is the 2017 Hillarycare Plan?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)as long as you are covered no one else matters. You of course know that- that is a typical right wing attitude?
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)I want MEDICAL INSURANCE FOR EVERYONE.
We can NOT dismantle the ACA and start over. I have said that 3 times. ARE YOU HARD OF HEARING???
You know good and well the MAJORITY OF THE USA CITIZENS want to keep and BUILD on what we have now. They don't want to LOSE the ACA.
You are LYING because I didn't say SCREW EVERYONE. Get the hate outta your heart kiddo.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I'm not the one screaming at you in anger.
Karma13612
(4,527 posts)Pretty straight forward.
All the staff currently working for private insurance companies would be trained on administering Medicare instead.
Sorted
Karma13612
(4,527 posts)You are happy to keep pushing for the ACA which is not Medicare, but is a for-profit insurance company scam.
Not everyone on the ACA is getting everything covered at 100%, you were very lucky.
Why don't you think all Americans should be able to enjoy Medicare for all?
Tell me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Democrats that used to be against Citizens United are now silent about it because it's helping their candidate. As I see it there is nothing that Big Money won't do to ensure their candidate H. Clinton will win. We haven't seen the worse.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)via email? What kind of idiots does Clinton Incorporated take the voters for?
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)A presidential election is not a sport, sport. Quite literally, peoples lives are at stake. A prime example would be FDR enacting Social Security. His opponent would not have done that. Peoples lives are at stake. This is not a fucking sport.
Slander and lies are ALWAYS immoral and wrong.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)so many, that he is going to win and win big.
the days of dirty politics are over.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)when that proves to be a false hope. politics is dirty, period.
Hillary vs. Bernie is the cleanest and most polite a contest has every been in the history of this country.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i am trying to be prepared.
the one thing that will push me over the edge is if there is a deal and supers at the convention steal the nom (if bernie has the votes).
logic says that would be the stupidest thing ever, but it will drive me away from politics forever.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)this week has been uncommitted.
drm604
(16,230 posts)"Oh no! We can't run Bernie! Republicans want to run against him! They'll call him a communist and run ads with a hammer and a sickle! He'll hurt the down ticket candidates!"
Give the American people some credit. They'll see any Republican attacks for what they are.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)The establishment is catching on to the fact that the people are starting to see around the edges of the blindfolds that they put there.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It will get really, really dirty and vicious... We haven't seen anything yet.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I am reminded of what Zappa said:
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
Well, now...We, the VAST Hoi Polloi, have seen the brick wall at the back of the theater, and we're going at it with sledge hammers. The corporate oligarchs had best be aware.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you for saying it.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)She's not so nice when she's cornered.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)ever since she said she didn't come to the White House to bake cookies.
I'm sick and tired of the character assassination against Hillary here .
murielm99
(30,656 posts)Bernie prides himself on not having a super pac. He doesn't need one, with the pack of mud throwers he has on social media.
I have been through more than one primary here, and I have never seen such hate as that displayed by the Bernistas.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Disingenuous much?
All this "hate" baloney. Pointing out Hillary's past and present bad decisions and attitudes is not "hate".
murielm99
(30,656 posts)And yes, hate. That is what it is. Hate.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And no, it's not hate.
I don't even know Hillary.
I merely disagree with her attitudes and methods and would rather have Sanders as the nominee. And that is all.
Otherwise, I don't even think about Hillary.
Your definition of "hate" is a bit too general.... too GOP and fundigelical. Disagreeing is not "hate". Hate requires much more involvement than I will ever have with Hillary.
You seem to think that because I don't just love love love her, I hate her. Sophomoric!
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)imaginary crown and scepter with which she dreams of ruling the servant masses and her billions.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)get out of the political kitchen.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)who has a tantrum anytime someone opposes her. so yes, she should get out of the kitchen if she isn't going to bake cookies.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)"crown and scepter", "tantrum". your hyperbole is unwarranted but unsurprising.
elsewhere on DU I've seen wholesale posting of Richard Mellon Scaife VRWC talking points as if they're accepted facts, and consideration of Benghazi bullshit as if it is a rational reason to vote against her. at this point, I'm expecting to see Sanders supporters resurrect the Vince Foster murder charges.
Hillary Clinton is nowhere near the monster DU is making her out to be, and neither is Bill Clinton. its like you all forgot the shit she got put through 20 years ago.
frankly, the vituperation is turning me into a Clinton supporter when I'm far closer to Sanders politically. its going to be difficult to pull this place together (if and) when she beats Sanders.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)then you weren't really much of a Sanders supporter in the first place.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)my #1 goal is to NOT have a Republican anywhere near the nuclear codes.
frankly, neither Sanders or Clinton are my preference. they're both too old, and IDGAF if I'm called an Ageist.
but if our choices boil down to a 75 year old man or a 69 year old woman (their ages in November), a woman is the more biologically viable choice - at those ages. women last longer.
well, except for those that don't.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)all of that "indignation" is arrogant hillary pomp.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)she wanted to do more than bake cookies.
Suddenly, Rethugs were making wild accusations about her job at the Rose Hill law firm, her relationship with Vince Foster, etc.
If she hadn't gotten too uppity they might have left her alone -- as they had every other First Lady in history.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And so........
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Since Bill stepped into office, when they started going after her.
If Bernie isn't prepared for that he shouldn't be running for President. What they did to John Kerry will seem like nothing compared to what they'll do with Bernie.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I am not worried.
What I do not like is Hillary's character assassination by inference, distortion and by proxy.
Having been the victim of that for so long I would have hoped she would be above that.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That seems to be a speciality of many Bernie supporters. He doesn't attack Hillary, but they've been doing it from the beginning.
Just today, I saw here on DU another post about Whitewater . . .
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You know what I mean.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, SHE wasn't elected to the White House, her husband was. So she could do what she wanted when she followed him to the White House. Bill Clinton didn't win because of Hillary.
The only elections she's actually won were for the same carpetbagger Senate seat...to buck up her 2008 run...which she lost.
The 1st Lady and SoS gigs were handed to her.... just like she thought this nomination would be.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)nothing is beneath them. nothing.
they play to win, and they have deep pockets.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I mean, who the fuck isnt laughing at this? Theyre going to throw hearts and flowers at anyone else right?
give me fucking break.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Clinton supporter Senator McCaskill said today,
if Bernie is nominated, the GOP will depict him with the communist "hammer and sickle".
No need to wait for the GOP when the Clinton campaign can do it now?
randome
(34,845 posts)...then the Sanders supporters on DU have much to answer for.
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dlwickham
(3,316 posts)maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)and they will. >50% of America couldn't define Socialism if you put a gun to their head. so the GOP will define it for them.
on Real Time, Ralph Reed was licking his chops at the prospect of a Sanders nomination. its a 100% valid concern.
outside of DU, this is a reactionary and misinformed country, and scared old white people vote - every election. look at the congress.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)No. She just got it out there in everyone's mind, didn't she?
Nixonian dirty tricks, Clinton style.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)2000, here we come again.
I can see why you consider the mention of it a "Nixonian" dirty trick, but frankly, I consider his standing as a Socialist a valid concern. However, I'm a cynic that thinks the average American is as dumb as my relatives.
I'll vote for whoever gets the nomination, but I don't relish explaining over and over why Sanders isn't Stalin.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Can you explain why you say Bernie is a "Socialist" rather than a "Democratic Socialist"?
Moreover, why is "his standing as a Socialist a valid concern"?
Capitalists have long vilified socialism because it threatens their preferred economic paradigm. You know, the one where the "most successful" capitalists amass all the wealth?
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)Sure, I'm an Elitist and a Cynic. But the "Democratic" part is an adjective, "Socialist" is the noun. That gets lost when your "Undecided Voter" has the attention span of a gnat and a political education that stopped in 11th grade, if they even paid attention then.
I'm as Democratic Socialist as anyone on DU, but I'm realistic about what the perception of any kind of Socialism is in this country. You said it yourself, it's been long-vilified - >100 years of well-funded propaganda, half the time from the Government itself.
Propaganda works - just look at who controls Congress and >50% of State Legislatures.
It should be part of the calculus that Registered Democrats use when choosing their party's nominee. It doesn't help to stick your head in the sand.
BuddhaGirl
(3,586 posts)I saw Real Time too, and the GOP is giddy over the idea of running against Sanders.
I like Sanders but unfortunately I don't believe he is electable at this time. Not a huge fan of Hillary but I think she could beat any republican nominee.
"Socialism" is still a dirty word in the US, and if Bernie somehow wins the nomination, I'm very afraid our next president will be a republican.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)You deny that Claire's little bon mot has painted that picture far in advance of the Republicans using it in attack ads?
SMDH...
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)do you know what country you live in?
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I haven't heard since I refused to vote for St. Ronnie Raygun.
"Move to Russia, if you don't like it here!"
I was born in Texas, and I currently reside in the beautiful Ozarks, and I don't need you or anyone else to question my allegiance to the United States.
Welcome to my IL.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)In no way did I suggest you Love It or Leave It.
I'm asking you to be realistic about the political makeup of this nation. The GOP is.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)We're going to have to fight back AND HARD on social media.
We can't let them sabotage this opportunity, but they sure as hell are going to try their best.
TryLogic
(1,721 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, last1standing.
navarth
(5,927 posts)in my opinion.
Honest criticism, fine. Snark doesn't change minds.
TryLogic
(1,721 posts)When it comes to conservatives, facts seldom change minds either. Independents are the ones who will often give honest consideration to useful info.
And, why are there so many Independents? Because both parties are pretty well screwed up, being owned and manipulated by big money, and in the case of Dems, manipulated by certain big money gamers whose name I will not mention. Oh, what the hell. I am talking about the quid pro quo Clintons.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)vote for either Dem if they win. My preference is Bernie, but I will vote for Hillary if she wins.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)for some time and while some "stuff" is inventive and slings a lot of mud, I wonder how much will stick in the end. I'm amazed that so early they've been triangulating everything he says, almost everything he's done into a miasma of negativity.
And yes, you're correct in saying it's callous, cruel, deceitful and malicious and I too can't respect anyone who's willing to run a campaign like this. Is she selling her soul? I KNOW that sounds terrible, but my feelings about her now are at the lowest level ever. I KNOW what I have to do if she's the nominee, but I may have to have to use my left hand to steady my right hand to mark the X on the ballot.
Problem is, I know people who won't fall on their sword and vote for her. Explaining to them what's at stake doesn't seem to matter. One said that if The people in power are willing to swing 3 bats over Bernie's head just to win... WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET!
I'm a Democrat, always have been one and I don't like any of what I'm seeing. Should Hillary win and become POTUS I'm sure I'll have to check out. How ALL this money has screwed our country and will do more damage should she win, I will find it hard to support this stuff anymore!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)That makes me quite happy indeed. The American people have awoken and they're saying
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...... whining about Bernie's "character assassination" on a thread that is dominated by character assassination....... of Hillary Clinton.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Hillary is making up lies about Bernie. This shows poor character and has ticked off a lot of people. I am disappointed in her. I will vote for her if she wins because the alternative is unacceptable.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... you missed the point of my post. As with every thread with Hillary Clinton's name in it this one too has degenerated into a childish, whining diatribe against Clinton. The adults have left the room.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)You don't deserve to make it to the Finals without hard battles along the way, to test your will and build your character.
This is of course the exact problem of the HRC/DWS/DNC approach. They want a token preseason that they can skate right past and into the finals, with minimal effort.
And you know how ugly it's gonna get then. All the taboo subjects (classified emails, Foundation quid pro quo) are going to be 24/7 from and center.
Let them throw whatever they've got at Bernie. Let them see how he deals with it face on. I don't see him being afraid of being swiftboated, or that any topics (real or imagined) are taboo.
Just don't try to waste his time on Gossip Pages baloney.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Excellent post.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I don't like character assassination of Sanders, of Clinton, of O'Malley or of anyone really. I've seen more of it here at DU aimed at Clinton, like what you're doing in your post.
Honestly, I don't know where people get these kinds of impressions unless they're drinking some pretty strong kool-aid or only listening to one source for 'news.' If you read a lot of other threads here besides just pro-Bernie stuff, I think you'll see the some of the crap that's been thrown out against President Obama, against Hillary Clinton, against pretty much any democrat who isn't Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or in the progressive caucus, can be characterized as shrill and pretty far from the truth of the matter of where they stand on actual issues.
For example, Sanders has pretty much voted straight democratic party on nearly every issue during his time in the Senate. So, by that token it's not correct when fervent Clinton supporters call him some socialist as though it's an evil thing. By the same token, it's absurd when fervent Sanders supporters attack Clinton as some oligarchy supporting corporate sellout, when 98% of the things that Sanders supports Clinton also supports.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)So far, all the ones I've seen from media sources or even directly from Camp Weathervane have been too ridiculous to take seriously. I usually forget about them faster than I read them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious,"
And you are tired of character assassination?
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Just as insidious as the that of the Right.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)seems to have traits x, y and z is hardly character assassination.
Character assassination is like when Clinton said during the debate, "Bernie has always been a regular vote for the NRA."
THAT is character assassination, as well as being a lie.
And when Chelsea says, the Hillary doubles down, that a single payer system would end Medicare and the CHIP program, that is just a plain old lie.
I dislike Clinton as a candidate because I don't think she will represent me, or even cares about people like me. I don't see that as a character assassination - it is merely my opinion. I am for Bernie because he better represents me on issues I care about. I don't see that as a character assassination, either. I do honestly believe the Clintons are corrupt, and that HRC has some very serious negative baggage, a likability problem, a trust problem and a problem with being too far right on some key progressive issues. I don't think she's electable.
But none of what I said is character assassination. And now this hammer and sickle thing? What a bunch of crap.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is an attack on her character.
"callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious" is an attack on her character.
Regardless of whether you think those attacks are justified or not.
HRC is trying to find ways to distinguish herself positively from Bernie in the eyes of the Democratic base. There have been some votes on gun control that she feels demonstrate such a difference. She has pointed to that difference - but has done so in an exaggerated politically tinged way, which is what generally happens in an election.
She has never called him callous, cruel, deceitful, or malicious, and has, in fact, praised him repeatedly. In debates, she often says that she agrees with Bernie on many issues and that she and her fellow Democrats are light years ahead of the Republicans on everything. Bernie has similarly praised Hillary and expressed agreement with her as well on many topics.
Hillary's argument with respect to health care is that Bernie wants to start over and try to get a medicare-for-all type plan, while she believes that the ACA was a hard-fought battle and is the best compromise that they will ever be able to get with the Republicans. I think that both candidates have legitimate points on this topic.
I can totally see why someone would be for Bernie and not for Hillary. I can also see why one would believe that the Clintons are corrupt and that HRC has negative baggage, a likability problem, etc.
That being said, I think it is critical that we defeat the Republicans this year. They are truly comprised of some of the most vile individuals in recent memory who are proposing policies that are antithetical to everything we believe in as Democrats and progressives.
While there are some differences among the Democrats, they pale in comparison to the differences between our candidates and the Republican ones. Time and time again you must have noticed Bernie saying "I agree with Secretary Clinton on this" throughout the debates.
I hope that we can all unite behind whichever candidate gets the nomination in the end and work in concert to defeat Cruz, Trump, Rubio, or whatever lunatic they select.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)She has shown the whole world what her true character is and it ain't pretty.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As do all people.
I think it's best to focus on policy differences in attempting to promote one candidate over another.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)But since he attacked the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood I am starting to think the attacks are accurate.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Bernie did no such thing and he has always supported planned parenthood. Hillary is playing dirty pool. The debates should be over policy, etc. not deciding to swiftboat your opposition. I am happy to see that Bernie does not choose to swiftboat, etc. I will vote for Hillary if she wins but I am very disappointed in her for choosing to swiftboat her opposition.
trof
(54,255 posts)FSogol
(45,357 posts)a candidate without ripping other Democratic candidates?
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)i would happily cast my ballot for HILLARY, BERNIE OR MARTIN.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)I will vote for the Dem who wins, regardless.
navarth
(5,927 posts)Again, if it's not Bernie, we're back to the 'lesser of evils'. That being MOM or HRC.
Anybody we got is better than what they have. I just hope the murkan people will see that.
riversedge
(69,720 posts)disgusting for him to make those comments.
"I'm tired of hearing that he's "fighting" Planned Parenthood and HRC when he has consistently supported them for decades."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)establishment, mainstream, not so much bold as big branch of LGBT politics. You might not know that because that is not your community, it's just a community you want to exploit today.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Was that a Freudian Slip?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Some people have been running full tilt against "Sanders Supporters" for the past 6 months. You would think that "Sanders Supporters" were on the primary ballot, given the number of hand-flappy, breathless threads started about the new awful outrageously outragree-eeee outrage perpetrated (on social media, no less!) by "Sanders Supporters"
Damn you, "Sanders Supporters!"
Kall
(615 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)The only character that keeps getting assassinated here is Hillary's. DU might as well be "Sanders Underground". It appears that some of you think that you can say anything, not just political but at the personal level too, against Hillary and no one is going to fight back?
If you can dish it in spades, expect to be hit back.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Some people are upset with Hillary's attempt to swiftboat. It is dirty pool. I will vote for Hillary if she wins, but I am disappointed in her because she is playing dirty pool. Bernie is not trying to swiftboat Hillary. Bernie is making his points by addressing policy, etc.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Your credibility. For anyone who doesn't understand the reference see down thread.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)you don't like it...but it is the truth.
Duval
(4,280 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)She has sunk to a level of blatant hypocrisy
which I had previously only associated
with the followers of the Republican party...
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)wrong. which she is of course by taking swiftboat actions trying to kill off her competition.
Deception is wrong and that is what she is doing.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Hillary is saying that Bernie wants to take away your healthcare, etc. That is a lie. I am guessing that Hillary has been the victim of such attacks for such a long time, she has chosen to do the same thing to her current opponent. I will vote for her if she wins, but I am very disappointed that she chose to swiftboat.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...it does mean he's being taken seriously. He's certainly not alone in the club of character assassination targets... and it's going to get much worse.
Paka
(2,760 posts)It is refreshing to use both my heart and my head when voting. They actually work well together and they both tell me that Bernie is the real deal.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Just noise. She's attacking he isn't. I wish I had his patience. Dad always taught me to fight back. Didn't realize it until it was way too late that to be proper Christian ethic is to ignore such attacks. I've actually had at least one conversation with a former bully on Facebook because of it. Think Hillary spent tooooooo much time with Dick Cheney at some point. But whatever. I see a headline saying Liberals no longer amused at Bernie Sanders. Um actually they love him. However Conservadems no. and he's hardly a socialist. I'm not a big fan of Socialism but the media has hammered it so much the word means zip. Don't think voting for John Kerry again will help. Not everyone is meant for something big (me) no matter how hard they want to be.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)literally any group or person who dares not support Sanders.
Billsmile
(404 posts)Because, as a Sanders supporter, I've been called a Bernie bro, a Bernie-bot, misogynist, GOP enabler, delusional, politically naive, and the list goes on. What bugs me most of all is that I'm considered to be a Hillary basher simply for being a Sanders supporter.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I concur, and I appreciate the way you expressed this.
The thinly veiled condescension directed at Bernie's supporters seems to strengthen our resolve, and I think it says more about those expressing such condescension than it says about us.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Doesn't it warm you up inside to read the vitriol against another Democratic candidate?
Reading the endless nonsense posted on this board is more entertaining than watching TV. You can't pay for it.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)You're going to need way thicker skin to make it through to the general.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Heck, it is funny.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Hillary is trying to swiftboat. I will vote for her if she wins, but I am disappointed that she chose the devil.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)He's no less of a politician than Hillary. He took some swings at her during the last debate. That was to be expected, after all, they are fighting for the nomination. What I find amusing is the over the top OP. Personally attacking Hillary is not making a point, it's only proving the dissonance between those who complain about the Hillary campaign while making far worse statements about her than anything said against Sanders. People can't have it both ways.
"And that's why I despise Clinton so very much. She long ago decided she couldn't win an election by inspiring voters with a vision of a better America, so she tries to tear down anyone who stands in her way. It's callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious, and that's not what I want in a president."
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)is not ok.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I wonder how some will be able to do that, given the ugly attacks on one or the other candidate. It's depressing.
senz
(11,945 posts)Needed to be said.
And will be needed for the remainder of primary season.
Stryder
(450 posts)Way soon to be tired.
It's gonna be a long and bumpy ride.
Bernie's not part of the flow.This can not be allowed to happen.
Forces will be brought to bear. I mean I'm all in
and as great as recent events and trends have
been... Let's take just a moment and truly appreciate
what it is we're talking about here. It is nothing
short of a Revolution. (Capital R) The infrastructure,
resources and incentive to maintain the status quo are...
Daunting? That said, I am more than convinced that
This. Is. It. Last best only fucking chance that I had all
but given up on.
Anyway I give a little something
through Pay Pal each month til this thing is done. And I'm thinking it's
pretty cool when Bernie is attacked and his donations spike!
That's sending a message. So I've got another couple bucks going out tonight.
I do believe more numerous contributions have a greater effect than
fewer, larger. Number of dollars win elections when numbers of voters
say what's the use. Let's show them what "The Use" is.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I understand this is a political campaign and candidates should hit hard, but these pathetic attempts at destroying Hillary's reputation and distorting her record to the point of becoming pure lies is getting to be a bit much.
I'm tired of hearing that Hillary wants to get rid of health insurance without mentioning that she wants to replace it with actual healthcare.
I'm tired of hearing that she's in the pocket of the NRA when she has a D- rating from them and has almost always voted contrary to their agenda.
I'm tired of hearing that she has never passed a bill when she holds the record for getting amendments passed in bills.
I'm tired of hearing that she's "fighting" Planned Parenthood and BS when she has consistently supported them for decades.
And I'm mostly tired of the shills and low-class operatives who seem to magically pop up with the exact same memes at the exact same time each and every day based on what Bernie and his trained monkey, Larry David, decide to try and spin at the moment.
And that's why I despise Sanders so very much. He long ago decided he couldn't win an election by inspiring voters with a vision of a better America, so he tries to tear down anyone who stands in his way. It's callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious, and that's not what I want in a president.
I'm going to vote with my heart and my head because both tell me that Hillary has a vision that doesn't include tearing anyone down to build herself up.
Somebody call a whambulance. I'm a Clinton supporter who likes Sanders, but geez, some of his supporters, not all of them, are real crybabies. Talk about constantly lying surrogates.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)enough said
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)enough said.
Nothing but hate and character assassination. If you think posting shitty stuff about your candidate's opponent on DU is campaigning, I've got more than four decades of experience that says otherwise. Get out, walk some precincts, register some voters and get your guy elected. Until then, your whining is as incessant as in Napa Valley.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Bernie said about Hillary (I have news for you....none). Hillary is playing the swiftboat game against Bernie and the lies are going to bite her in the butt.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I neither know nor care if Sen. Sanders lies about Hillary Clinton. What I object to is your constant whining instead of helping your guy.
I'm pretty sure that Sen. Sanders knows what is at stake in this election. You will observe that he refrains from any of the immature, whiny and petulant attacks you are making on Sec. Clinton. There is a reason for that. He understands that there is a larger than zero possibility of him not being the nominee. Just as I understand that about Sec. Clinton.
Sen. Sanders and Sec. Clinton are both potential nominees. Gov. O'Malley is not. Both have the maturity to know that the country would be far more damaged by a Republican winning the White House than by their Democratic opponent. You seem to be missing that point.
Sen. Sanders is a far better man than his supporters that have restricted their support to whining like babies reaching for toys in the supermarket. That's what you and some of your friends come off looking like. Not all, but you are the ones that attract all the attention.
You want Sanders to win? Get out there and register voters to vote for him in November. If you don't do that, he will lose. I'm doing that for Sec. Clinton, and if she doesn't get the nomination, then I'm happy that I've done that for Sen. Sanders. But I do register anyone who wants to vote, including Republicans. The law requires that I not turn anyone away.
I will say, that Sen. Sanders is a much of a class act as Sec. Clinton. If he was like his more annoying supporters, I'd just be disgusted. Which is what I am with the whining brigade that is dragging him down. Nobody can win with that kind of whining.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)The screed to which I'm responding is NOT whining, but anything posted in support of Senator Sanders IS. Have I got that right?
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)That's the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle.
Your whining is whining. It's not Sen. Sanders, its you.
Sen. Sanders is (for a politician) a great guy who I will be proud to vote for if he gets the nomination. Which he won't if you don't get out there, smile, register voters, and give them a reason to vote for your candidate, not against someone you don't like.
You want people to not bash Sanders. Okay. That's what you want. This is politics. What you want isn't going to happen. Not in a campaign, and not when he is President. When he is President, he will never stop being bashed. Whaddya gonna do then? Turn less pleasant?
Try emulating Sanders. He's a positive fellow who isn't always whining while promoting his candidacy.
He's your number one guy, and he's my second choice after Clinton. Like Obama was my second choice. You don't want people to "lie" about him. Well, your definition of "lie" is, from the outside perspective, really frickin broad, to the point of saying anything critical. Offer the facts, not whining, in response. You make Sanders (who may be our nominee) look like he has a bunch of teenagers as his supporters. He doesn't need that.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)(You know nothing about me, and I'd like to keep it that way.)
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)to agree with the rest of the sentiment.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)is beneath you?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Despicable.
doc03
(35,148 posts)DaveT
(687 posts)The critical commentary against Sanders so far has been very lame and fairly tame -- more like distortions than whoppers.
But the whoppers will be coming -- no matter what comes from Hillary, Sanders will be facing the biggest gale of bullshit in the history of the Republic, thanks to Citizens United. Because a lot of friends and adversaries alike tend to be literal minded, I am going to switch to italics with the following example of Karl Rove style lies:
Imagine an ad, paid for by a SuperPAC with secret donors. We meet a 40 year old African American woman named Alice. She looks into the camera and says, "Bernie Sanders is my father. He refuses to acknowledge me and he treated my mother like she was a dog. Don't be fooled by all his Socialist politics -- he abandoned my mother and he abandoned me. He is a disgraceful human being."
[Anybody remember, "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House ha ha ha."?]
Next, you meet Rabbi David Jerome, retired, formerly of Montpelier. "Yes, Bernie Sanders attended our temple when he was the mayor. He was active. We all thought it was odd how he was always volunteering for committees and always involved in Temple activities. But then one day, our bank account was emptied and that horrible man embezzled every penny we had. We tried to get the local authorities to prosecute -- but he is a clever man, that Bernie, and he was able to use his political influence to kill the investigation into his own crime."
[Anybody remember the Swift Boat story? A Lieutenant in the Navy conned the Pentagon into giving him some medals.]
Why anybody would be proud of this kind of politics is behind my comprehension, but us Sanders supporters need to get emotionally ready for a lot more of it and it will not be pleasant.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)candy corn at Halloween giving, EAGLES FANS!
So obviously we must support Hillary Clinton.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)against anyone who supports Hillary or who criticizes Bernie or even protests Bernie, like BLM:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504529 - "
Is the Hillary campaign using BLM to take down Bernie?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303 - "
"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251502198 - "BlackLivesMatter was given million$ by Soros after Ferguson. soros=Hillary Benefactor.
Begs the question: are BLM only targetting Bernie to swiftboat him for hillary?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505858 - "
Holy, are there people here seriously defending BLM Seattle's actions!?? What's wrong with you?"
and note many very virulently anti-BLM comments by Sanders supporters under those OPs.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Hi, Steven.....
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Hi Bea -
Bravenak and I will not let folks forget what Sanders supporters here did to BLM. Never.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Shame on you.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)"If you quote and link us, you're lying"?
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Your side lying by saying that Bernie is trying to take your healthcare away from you is a lie. Got it!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)people make.
This OP is complaining about attacks on Sanders. The biggest personal attack made by anyone early on in the campaign were the attacks by Sanders supporters on Black Lives Matter.
That's the beginning of the nastiness in this campaign.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Lies to carry your support. So sad for you. Seriously, you want to lie to get ahead?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To post them again? You want more than the four? Let me know.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Swiftboating lies like Bernie is trying to take away everyone's healthcare.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And this thread is about his supporters hypocrisy.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Response to stevenleser (Reply #137)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
Autumn
(44,754 posts)I'm voting for Bernie with everything I am.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)and Hillary "callous, cruel, deceitful, and malicious."
And you wonder why some Sanders supporters are accused of being hypocritical whiners.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)to be irritated by Hillary's swiftboating efforts.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Got it.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)you are trying to say.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And uh a right-winger, but also too far left.
These attacks are pathetic.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)it is truly the silly season. I will vote for either Dem. We need to stop the circular firing squad.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I think it starts with each of us individually. Welcome here. Have fun.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I have seen both sides slinging mud and making untrue statements.
Just recently the Sanders campaign said that Clinton didn't support maternity leave, when they support proposals that are the same other than funding mechanism. I remember seeing a lot of people here screaming that Clinton doesn't support maternity leave which was patently false.
Pretending that you don't see your side doing it, just makes you look really silly and biased.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Politics is a dirty business sometimes. That's life. Thick skin.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)that Clinton's stategy to cause harm to Bernie is ok...by lying?
TDale313
(7,820 posts)On the bright side, it only makes me more committed.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)This cannot be reality, where the hell are all the grown ups
synergie
(1,901 posts)assassination seem to be Bernie supporters, as the rather nasty and vile things in this thread seem to support. Sliming pretty much anyone who is not Bernie is the favorite sport here, and we're all tired of the vileness, and the character assassination and the projection.
I'm tired of hearing all the negative attacks and how they are not negative because hyper-biased Bernie supporters claim that any lie, any attack of his opponents or those who are not worshipful enough is justified.
I'm tried of the abuse and the name calling and the lies and the right wing talking points and the accusations. If you truly hate this behavior, then take a good long look at this post and how very hypocritical it truly is. You're tearing down everyone else, instead of building up your candidate. Where is the inspiration, or the supposed better America, or even the rejection of negativity? Callou, cruel, deceitful, malicious and dishonest, this is what makes up the "visionary" candidate's campaign and his supporters.
If you abhor the tearing down and the negativity, why do so may of you guys spend so much time doing the very thing you say is so despicable?
betsuni
(25,127 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)I've been mostly lurking for awhile, but it's pretty clear most of the nastiness on this site lately has come from Sanders supporters. Hillary's been attacked in ways that they wouldn't even dare attack Republicans (just wait for the "but she is a Republican" nonsense...). Seeing Planned Parenthood and Human Rights Campaign getting smeared by Sanders and his supporters because they dared to endorse a better candidate was especially disgusting. This behavior is going to alienate all the progressive non-Sanders supporters to the point that if he does end up winning the nomination, there's going to be absolutely no enthusiasm to support him.
But if you dare point any of this out, of course you're just some paid establishment shill or something like that.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Politicub
(12,163 posts)When the general comes, the GOP will line up to vote for him. He's magical and dreamy. He showers all with his golden light.
It doesn't matter how our political system works. Pshaw on getting legislation passed. Rhetoric is where its at.
Poor, poor Bernie.
Sanders supporters believe an endorsement from an organization like Planned Parenthood is somehow an act of character assassination. Ludicrous.
TBF
(31,921 posts)you expect this and a whole lot more. They are just getting started. Hold on.
laureloak
(2,055 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)What a completely empty vessel she is. I just want her to go away. The pain and suffering her and her kind have heaped upon this world are unforgivable.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)I know that his lack of perfection is shocking heresy to many of his supporters.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)By Bernie supporters rather than the GOP!
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)Saying that Hillary lies through the use of a trained monkey isn't exactly an endorsement of her integrity. Meanwhile, the OP lists Sanders' policies while oddly claiming that disagreement goes after Bernie's core character.
Ironic post in that the poster is tired of people who "tear down" instead of build up, then calls Ms Clinton a liar in a most insulting way.
Loki
(3,825 posts)it's time we all looked in the mirror, I thought as Democrats we were better than this. We have three amazing candidates, but you won't win anyone's support by bashing and demeaning any of them. The Republican's are going to lie and cheat and steal their way to anything, that's been their MO since Nixon. Are we going to turn out just like them? This is DU for shits sake, and we have been through hell and back with the *selection and we won't win anything if we are divided. So think about what you are saying before you speak, and if you don't have anything good or constructive to say, then as my mother told me, "Shut the fuck up Lee". Just kidding, she would never say shut up and she's 97 going on 98 and going to vote this year.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We do indeed have three amazing candidates.
However those candidates have 250,000 half-witted, myopic, thoughtless, and foolish supporters; making the candidates they support (ironically) look rather dull-witted in the process of their melodrama and stagecraft.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)ancianita
(35,812 posts)This all or nothing standard, the shady implications, are all high school mentality.
Any candidate whose campaign is founded on compassion is America's candidate.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Especially after the remarks he made about Bernie earlier
kjones
(1,053 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)...then list attacks on his policies.
Character assassination is going after him for moral deficiencies like theft, sexual deviance, or his integrity.... like saying Hillary lies through use of a "trained monkey".
It's been a trend here that if someone disagrees with Sanders on anything his supporters come out guns-a-blazin' claiming it a personal attack against the man himself. It's one thing to form a rampart around the candidate, but very few people who criticize Sanders' policies dislike the man or thinks he lacks in character.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Thom Hartmann said today that Bernie's Ad brought him to tears. It is beautiful and inspiring. I so hope Bernie gets the nomination.
And, yes, I'm tired of all the crap you mentioned, last1standing. Thanks!
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Take a look around and see the character assassination on Hillary by Bernie supporters on this site.
shireen
(8,333 posts)Not so much on DU ... the many crazies on both sides make DU a great internet comedy channel.
But the MSM is driving me nuts. I don't know how Bernie and his family handles it. I'd be a wreck.
klook
(12,134 posts)It's a sign we're on the right track.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's the depth of analyses in response to your OP that fills me with confidence in regards to the members here. I can't help but notice how almost everyone's additions are rational reasoning and dissection of platform policy. How almost every responsive post has a nuanced and objective diagnosis of reasonable criticism. Verification, cited sources and unemotional investigations are the meat of this discussion, with every indictment or denunciation backed up by peer-reviewed evidence.
Throw-away mudslinging, petulant name-calling, slander and smears are dramatically absent. Gone are the half-witted appellations such as "deceitful", "desperate", "swift-boating" and a dozen other meaningless bits of drivel favored by the sub-literate and uneducated whose minds are far too small to entertain skill and accuracy in what we may safely presume to be their second language.
Truly... a thread with sincere merit, honest dignity, marveled worth and esteemed value-- as like most of the threads in GDP. Commendable. Truly commendable.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Assassinating the character of every progressive and progressive group in this country.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bernie is the real deal. He stays on message and goes out of his way to not speak ill of others. I'm not so sure he has to go out of his way as it seems that that is what Berne is, one hell of a good person and he will be good for our country, the world even. He's a leader and I can hardly wait to cast my votes for him.
Bernie will be our next President, I'm convinced of that. About this time in '08 I was feeling the same way about Obama and I was right then as I'm positive I am now.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)On any level.
Any contact with them is taking a risk of being harmed in some way.