MSNBC: Rise of Bernie Sanders Could Lead to Financial Woes for Hillary Clinton

[pinebox]

Interesting..........
Not really sure what to make of this......thoughts?
I'm not 100% in the bag with this considering who Hillary has for donors but it is certainly a different take.

[daleanime]

1. K&R.....

[Ron Green]

2. Interesting; I didn't realize that Bernie has organizations in

all the early primary states, and Hillary does not.

[JonLeibowitz]

3. The reporter is referring to this NYT reporting

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/us/politics/hillary-clinton-readies-for-a-long-slog-against-bernie-sanders.html

Should be an interesting race.

[Jarqui]

4. This is hard to comprehend:

“Bernie Sanders already has staff in all 11 of the Super Tuesday states. Those are the states that vote on March 1. Hillary Clinton does not,” Seitz-Wald said. “They have disproportionately put their resources in Iowa, even at the expense, a little bit, of New Hampshire.”

She had the money.

I saw Bernie had 11 offices in Nevada.
https://berniesanders.com/nevada/
Could only find seven for Clinton as of Jan 11th

Bernie's Busy Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/NevadaForBernie/

Sanders cracks Clinton's Nevada firewall
Hillary Clinton has been vigilant but the state that was supposed to stop Bernie Sanders' momentum might be in pla
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-nevada-217432#ixzz3xrRYqCmc

I think that state will become very competitive. Bernie could go 3 - 0 to start

[JonLeibowitz]

5. She has a much more expensive staff

Lots of pollsters, advisors, handlers, operating costs, etc. Their burn rate is enormous. It's why outraising Bernie isn't even enough, because it's really about the resources you're able to pour directly into the ground game.

It is amusing to me that Sanders prioritized Nevada over NH. There's a new poll coming out tomorrow morning which has Bernie up big in NH (not the CNN/WMUR one). Looks like it was a wise strategy in retrospect.

[safeinOhio]

7. My advice

Fly coach.

[John Poet]

9. Amazing, isn't it?

I took it for granted that Hillary would have built a little infrastructure and had some paid staff on the ground through the March 1st states (Super Tuesday) at least...

I guess they were just too confident about being able to "end it early" due to their strong polling early last year...

[Wilms]

13. They fell for the inevitable argument they made up. n/t

[Jarqui]

14. After what happened last time with Obama, to let history happen again ...

I don't think anyone would describe a candidate who does that as shrewd and ready to be president. Have to face facts: to be in this situation a second time, she really hasn't learned from her mistakes.

The lying and deception she's jumped to the minute she's come under pressure, I'm beginning to wonder if she has some psychological issues. Maybe it's as simple as "I saw my husband do it so why can't I" but she's not as sharp as her husband nor as good a liar because she gets caught much more frequently - often on silly or needless stuff. The email mess as another example, seriously poor lying in her first press conference helped to give that scandal real legs in the media. She gets caught there and folks think there's a reason for the lying -> trying to cover something up. So the media sharks smell blood in the water and thrash around looking for what the candidate is hiding. She didn't play it smart and brought a bunch of that crap on herself.

There is an air about her. Kind of like she's a self anointed queen of American political aristocracy who was about to take her self perceived place in the coronation she felt was inevitable. What seems to be happening ... the campaign kind of falling apart ... is almost a real live Shakespearean tragedy playing out on live tv. And they're adding to it as they scurry and scramble, making pea brained management decisions to lie and deceive that everybody sees through except themselves, desperately trying to salvage their sinking ship. That to me is kind of amazing and entertaining.

When I step back from it though, I kind of see it as a blessing. Though the lying is bad, I don't think she's a completely terrible person but this woman is proving to everyone else except herself (because she can't see it) that she's not going to be a very good president. She's simply not that able. Even if she wins, she's shown again in a tight spot, she can't rise above it to calmly see the issues, develop a vision to move forward and manage the problem at a high level. All she can do is panic and mindlessly react with simplistic poor and desperate lying and deception.

When that happens, I sigh with some relief that the campaign was a good enough test to expose it and in spite of all the campaign money, I get some assurance that some parts of the democracy continue to work.

[Uncle Joe]

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

[Cassiopeia]

8. FL primary is Mar 15th

I'm going to meetup this Saturday to mobilize here.

the vote!

[Fuddnik]

10. Which reminds me. Send more money to Bernie.

I'm already a founding Super Pack member, but I always send in a little extra every now and then.

[PADemD]

11. Thoughts

Assuming that there were be no competition, she spent too much money on advisers, polling, haircuts, clothes, and private jet travel to big ticket fund raisers to adequately fund offices in the states leading up to Super Tuesday.

She assumed that, by securing so many union endorsements, the union members, who were not polled for their candidate preference, would GOTV in the primary states. The enthusiasm and numbers are just not there.

Endorsements and support by the wealthy is not enough to win. IMO, her support by the little people is a mile wide and an inch deep.

[Art_from_Ark]

12. Maybe not even a mile wide

[thereismore]

15. She can always use some of her $40M personal wealth for the good of the country...

It wasn't earned anyway.