Their Boss Stays on the Sideline, but Obama Aides Tilt to Clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

WASHINGTON — The two leading Democratic contenders for president are competing to wrap President Obama in a tight embrace. He is hugging only one of them back.

With Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont locked in an increasingly taut battle in the final days before the Iowa caucuses, both are laying claim to Mr. Obama’s mantle, and to the young voters he turned out in 2008 and 2012. Mr. Sanders is selling himself as an insurgent in the spirit of Mr. Obama; Mrs. Clinton as the custodian of his legacy.

So far, legacy is winning out.


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Mrs. Clinton’s eagerness to tie herself to her old boss — most conspicuously in last Sunday’s debate — has been gratifying to Mr. Obama’s aides, given the tangled history between the president and his onetime rival turned lieutenant. His aides still view Mrs. Clinton as more electable and better qualified to protect his record than Mr. Sanders, though they have been impressed by the senator’s recent performance and unsettled by hers.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/us/their-boss-stays-on-the-sideline-but-obama-aides-tilt-to-clinton.html

Hillary Clinton would be a fool to abandon Barack Obama's stellar legacy and Hugh and Dorothy Rodham didn't raise a fool.

[Motown_Johnny]

1. Members of the Democratic Establishment tilt toward Establishment Candidate!

Shocking!

[Empowerer]

5. Yes - the people who actually know something about running the government

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are just a bunch of Establishment tools.

Unless, of course, they endorse Sanders - then they're infallible and pure as the driven snow.

[Thinkingabout]

7. Establishment huh. Guess twenty five years in Congress doesn't measure

Up to eight years. Hillary is really powerful if she can become "establishment" in eight years and Sanders hasn't in twenty five years, what is the problem?

[Qutzupalotl]

9. Sanders never sold out.

ETA: I would consider Clinton's years as first lady of Arkansas and the U.S., as well as her term as SoS, as being part of the establishment, since she played active roles. How many decades is that?

[Thinkingabout]

10. Are you sure Sanders didn't sell out, he voted against

The Brady Bill five times. NRA donated $18,000 to help defeat his opponent when he was elected to the house, ergo a sell out.

[Qutzupalotl]

13. Yes, I am sure.

Sanders took no money from the NRA and does not vote their way on assault rifles or background checks.

There are other candidates who take tainted money and vote the way the donors want. That's selling out.

[Thinkingabout]

22. Did I say he took the money, no. I said the NRA donated money to defeat his

Opponent, he rewarded them with his votes, that spells sell out.

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Then why did he oppose them on assault weapons and background checks?

That's kind of the opposite of selling out.

[Thinkingabout]

24. Background checks which was in the Brady Bill, five times he voted

Against the Brady Bill, ask him why he voted against the Brady Bill five times. Now he is changing his stand on gun issues since he is running for president.

[Qutzupalotl]

26. I'll ask again: If he's an NRA sellout, why does he vote against their interests?

Wouldn't he stay "sold out"? You seem to be implying that the NRA influenced him to vote a certain way, but you have not provided any support that he did anything but vote his conscience and in the best interests of his constituents. Again, the OPPOSITE of selling out.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Since he brags on his D rating by the NRA maybe this is why

He voted against some of the gun bills.

[Qutzupalotl]

28. Which is the opposite of selling out.

When you vote your conscience and your constituents and not the special interests, that is the opposite of selling out.

I'm done here.

[Thinkingabout]

29. BTW, he voted five times against the Brady Bill shortly after

He was first elected into congress, other votes, he already had what he needed from the NRA, getting elected.

[Qutzupalotl]

30. Then he was voting his conscience

since, as you say, he didn't need anything. Which, AGAIN, is the OPPOSITE of selling out.

Shouldn't you stop digging?

[Thinkingabout]

31. Then if he was voting his conscience it lessens his ability

To be president. The amount of gun violence occurring in the US is not acceptable to me and most of American citizens.

[m-lekktor]

16. If he were establishment the Hillary people wouldn't be implying he's a commie. nt

[Thinkingabout]

19. Hum, don't see an exception of establishment and commie, don't

Think this reasoning has any merit. Establishment is the accusation against Hillary which is not going to stick either, more water off the ducks back.

[Iliyah]

2. K & R

[Metric System]

3. Happy to hear.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I am happy when you are happy.

[Metric System]

8. Aw...right back at ya DSB!

[JRLeft]

4. Corporatists will support the corporatist candidate.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Good read

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. How snowed in are you?

I haven't seen snow since I was a kid .

[BeyondGeography]

15. Looks like 20 inches

In an apartment, it's hard to tell. Classic nor'easter with an enormous amount of stamina. Nothing quiets this area down like a snowstorm; always love that aspect.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I lived In Forest Hills....

I forgot which huge snow storm it was. It was in the late 60s. My dad owned a candy store in Jamaica, Queen that was robbed during it.

[BeyondGeography]

20. I stay indoors because I know the services are stretched thin

If anything happens, I'm low priority on a day like today. Tough day to get mugged, e.g.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Somebody broke in through the bathroom window.

My dad worked from 6-6 on weekdays and 6-12 on Saturdays. In a cash business it's hard to hire anybody but family. I was working the counter at ten. My mom gave up her bookkeeper job to help him.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. So we're agreed that she's the "establishment" candidate or are we offended at that label this week?

You can't tout establishment endorsements and also simultaneously take umbrage at the conclusion that Clinton is the establishment candidate.

[marlakay]

18. I am positive that he promised her to get her voters in the general

that he would help her win when the time came.

[brentspeak]

21. What a shock... n/t