When you trash a union endorsement and call their members stupid, you know they can see you, right?

[Empowerer]

A union endorsement, whether you agree with it or not, is not a primary vote - it's a recommendation that the members can follow or not follow. Many union memebrs agree with the endorsement and will vote for the union-endorsed candidate, many disagree with it and will vote for someone else - but many of union members are still on the fence, deciding which way to go.

I can only imagine what the third group of union members must think when they see supporters of a candidate who didn't get the endorsement not only trash the endorsed candidate, but also their union and often them as individuals, calling them stupid, ignorant, tools, etc. And even if they don't always agree with their union leadership on every issue, that's THEIR union, which they often see as family and they surely feel more loyalty to it than they do to any political campaign. So, watching a bunch of angry, self-satisfied campaign supporters demean their union and their co-workers certainly doesnn't endear them to that candidate.

This attitude is the same attitude I've pointed out earlier - the sense among certain (but not all or, I hope, and ven most) Sanders supporters that they are the cool kids and everyone else is an idiot. While it may feel good in a "you can't come into our treehouse unless you say the magic words (YES, YES! I feel the BERN!) way, it's hardly an effective tactic for persuading undecided voters to support Sanders.

Of course, I have no doubt that the usual suspects will do everything they can to slime this thread with taunts, off-topic red herrings, and diatribes about why Hillary Clinton is so awful, but I hope that the more reasonable and thoughtful supporters who don't say much but do take the time to read, listen and think will consider this carefully.

[Iliyah]

1. Really, they are calling Union members stupid, geez whiz

[Ferd Berfel]

24. What a dumbass ploy. None of Bernies people have called Union Members Stupid

The problem is that most if not all of the union 'endorsements' that Hillary had gotten are done by the officers and without the input to the rank-and-file. THe Rank -and-file are with Bernie

[2pooped2pop]

32. The Hillary clan seem to have learned her art of misinformation, spinning, manipulation

As well as attempting to bury with bullshit. Makes you wonder but I guess this is what happens when it's really hard to find anything negative on Bernie.

[Ferd Berfel]

35. You'd almost think they were in a boiler room op

Hortensis #2

coordinating this B.S.

[roguevalley]

40. I've belonged to five unions and served as a state and local officer the whole time. Nothing in

my experience pisses off the membership than endorsing someone without their consent. Every endorsement she has in that kind. It won't put votes in her pocket but its a great lie to tell that everyone who sees what a fix this was and says something is 'trashing' unions. Nice try.

[Ferd Berfel]

42. HAve you seen this one?

Union Endorsements: When Members Decide - It's Bernie; When Leaders Decide - It's Clinton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511053512

[synergie]

43. That link kinda shows when the "members decide" via online poll, it's Bernie, when humans decide,

even with member input, polling etc. not so much. The online poll and the habit of Bernie supporters (be they real ones or just visiting CONs who like to meddle) is proven by the comparisons of the "who won" polls conducted online and the ones conducted in a more scientific manner.

[roguevalley]

58. No. Thank you. :D Still love your name. :D

[MissDeeds]

44. Exactly

But let's not let facts get in the way of yet another poo flinging by camp desperate.

[Hortensis]

2. Very good point. NOT exactly good for Bernie.

[99th_Monkey]

3. You offer no evidence or link to support your claims about Bernie supporters 'trashing' unions.

So it's difficult to take your post very seriously without even knowing for sure what it is that
you find so offensive.

Was this omission deliberate, or do you even have any such evidence?

[Sheepshank]

10. Not hard to find on any Hillary endorsement thread

...it's the Union take on Stockholm Syndrome. You've heard of that thread...right!

[99th_Monkey]

31. If I go hunting around carefully, I find a few molehills & tempests

in a teapot ... some criticism of some unions' leadership, when they disregard and over-ride
their own 100% rating for Bernie and/or their own memberships' clear preference for Bernie
Sanders, only to endorse NAFTA/TPP-loving Clinton.

Yes, I see those. So what?

[jkbRN]

39. In all fairness, Bernie supporters

Criticize the methodology used in a lot of union endorsements--whereby the union asks BOARD members and not their actual unionized members.

Don't make it personal when it's not, it comes off as childish.

[Sheepshank]

48. What's childish is ignoring the criticisms or pretending the critisms don't exist

Either way, I expect a little more honesty and a little less insulting if there is to be any actual discussion or debate.

[KittyWampus]

4. Sanders supporters will do to Sanders what Dean supporters did to Dean>

MANY voters complained about the over-zealous Dean supporters swarming them.

It was one (probably small) factor in why Dean lost.

[Armstead]

8. People also complained about Obama's zealous "cultists" too

[KittyWampus]

9. No, there weren't any "Obamaiacs" running around with special little hats in Iowa.

[Armstead]

14. I don't know what you atre referring to "special little hats"

But there sure as hell were a lot of complaints about the awful "Cult of Obama" in 2008....and coincidentally, from the same supporters of the same candidate.

[Autumn]

33. emulatorloo cleared this up about the special little hats

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:40 PM - Edit history (1)

[emulatorloo]

47. You're incorrect. Google "Orange hats" "The Perfect Storm" "Howard Dean" "Iowa 2004"

[Autumn]

49. When I Google "Orange hats", a shiload of orange hats come up, when I Google

"The Perfect Storm" , it looks like a cool movie, add a hat I get this
https://www.google.com/search?q=perfect+storm+hats&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=809&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiesIH5jcHKAhWBUCYKHeocB58QsAQIRA&dpr=1#imgrc=9itXoqbkDRgLdM%3A
When I Google Iowa 2004 I see a lot of nice Iowa 2004 hats, when I Google Howard Dean, Howard Dean comes up if I add hats to it I get this http://www.cafepress.com/+howard_dean_democrat_baseball_hat,9760058?utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=9760058--c-9029017&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=174922210&utm_content=13737576250


Why don't you link to it since you seem to be be coming up with those "special little hats".

[emulatorloo]

50. I apologize, I was not clear that one needs to search >all< those terms in a >single< Google search

The reason I suggested you Google because you seemed to like using Google to find that great article about tea-bagger hats.

A couple articles from a search with all the terms:

The Curse of the Orange Hats from Salon
http://www.salon.com/2004/01/20/orangehats/

The Perfect Storm left whistling in the wind.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1452229/The-Perfect-Storm-left-whistling-in-the-wind.html

Dean's Dizzing Descent, "reprint" from Salon
http://www.uvm.edu/~dguber/POLS125/articles/schaller.htm

"Worse, the abundant orange hats in Iowa created the impression that the Dean campaign was less concerned with the issues that mattered to Iowa's Democrats than the enthusiasm of the non-Iowa political tourists. The campaign wasn't oriented in the local, native way that best resonates with actual caucus-goers. In an obvious change of tone, Dean's New Hampshire state director, Karen Hicks, made plain to the media that the only orange hats in her state arrived on the heads of people who came from Iowa."

[Autumn]

51. The orange hats have nothing to do with Bernie. I think the "Dean Scream"

was what did him in.

[KittyWampus]

53. No, Autumn, the Deniaces wore orange hats. WTF you link to Tea Party crap, Ihave no idea.

http://www.salon.com/2004/01/20/orangehats/

[Autumn]

57. emulatorloo cleared that up with links.

I have edited my post.

[emulatorloo]

46. Salon: The Curse of The Orange Hats

http://www.salon.com/2004/01/20/orangehats/

[Autumn]

17. Do you have a link? I would like to see if "Bernieacs" are running around with special little hats

in Iowa.

[Empowerer]

41. I remember those hats. They scared the s#it out of some Iowans who ran when they saw them coming

[2pooped2pop]

36. Really really digging for that one

Don't cha think?

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. I have seen the accusation that a Clinton endorsement is a conspiracy

By those on her payroll, or the elite.

It is rediculous, but that is the excuse.

[PowerToThePeople]

6. Shrug

My union endorsed Hillary, yet I know of not one single supporter at my location. I know MANY Bernie supporters though.



I think it was a bad call.

[Thinkingabout]

27. My union endorsed Sanders and other members I speak with ARE NOT

Supporting Sanders.

[Iliyah]

37. Yea and You and others who does not support BS didn't act like the

world was ending huh - LOL

Big difference.

[cali]

7. Not one person has done that.

Criticizing union bigwigs who make top down endorsements, is fucking not criticizing rank and file.

It is less than honest to frame it as you did. But you know that.

[JRLeft]

13. Hillary supporters lie like their leader.

[Ferd Berfel]

25. NO SHit

See my reply #24

[m-lekktor]

38. They have to lie otherwise they would have nothing to complain about

so they misprepresent every situation. They must think people are stupid!

[Kentonio]

16. Yep.

Anyone attacking rank and file union members would get nothing but contempt from any of the Sanders supporters I know.

[beam me up scottie]

19. I haven't seen anyone call them stupid either. Must be the op projecting.

I hate it when that happens.

[OilemFirchen]

45. How about insisting that members are campaigning for Clinton only because they are "forced to"?

Does that count?

[Bobbie Jo]

55. Take a look at this thread

Still on page 1-from today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511051108

Many examples of the condescending attitude toward these men and women.

Gross.

[OilemFirchen]

56. Yep.

This companion thread is replete with even more of that rank-and-file love:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1046156

[Starry Messenger]

59. It's totally disgusting.

[Armstead]

11. Oh Merde on a Shingle....

"Sanders supporters that they are the cool kids and everyone else is an idiot. While it may feel good in a "you can't come into our treehouse unless you say the magic words"


First of all,. whether or not you think they are misguided, Sanders supporters want as many people as possible in the "treehouse."


Second of all, the same can be said about the "cool kids" who support Clinton.

[cali]

15. Garbage and not honest.

[onecaliberal]

12. You've got that exactly backward. Not surprised.

[Faux pas]

18. Kickin'

[libdem4life]

20. Looking for my Fainting Hanky and Pearls...I know they're around here somewhere.

I feel bashed. I've been called a "usual suspect". Sliming? Oh and the list goes on. Good lawd.

[beam me up scottie]

22. Here you might need this too:

[libdem4life]

26. Yeah, what good is the fainting hanky without a soft place to land. Thanks for that.

[beam me up scottie]

29. You're welcome!

I always keep it handy in GDP, so much drama.

[Voice for Peace]

21. She is dishonest, my perception is based on her own

words & actions as a presidential candidate. I saw it in '08 and it turned me off. Even so I was almost feeling enthusiastic about supporting her this time, until it all began again.

She lacks the kind of integrity many of us are hungry for. My opinion.

There are lunatics and assholes supporting every candidate but your broad brush description of Sanders' supporters is not accurate. Most have sound reasons for supporting Bernie as well as opposing Hilary. And mature reasons!

[farleftlib]

23. Why so upset?

If Sanders' supporters are as abrasive as you claim, that translates into more votes for your candidate, which should make you happy.

Yet all I'm hearing is a scolding from someone sitting on their high horse.

[Autumn]

28. "Trashing", as you put it Union leaders who endorse without a vote from the rank and file

is not "trashing" Union Members. Show me a link to Bernie supporters trashing Union members.

[cheapdate]

30. Fluffy pancakes! Striped pajamas! Curds and whey!

arrgle garrgle blargle!!

(edit: not directed at the OP or anyone in particular. just my honest opinion.)

[Thinkingabout]

34. Throwing any of the unions or groups under the bus is not

What Democrats need to do. Accusing a union or group of "establishment" because they did not endorse a candidate like "establishment" is a dirty word is not the finest moment.

[reddread]

52. NAFTA CHINESE MFN HIB WORKERS

I think Hillary is driving that bus

[KelleyD]

54. I am neutral so far. I voted Obama twice.

What I have seen on DU from SOME Bernie supporters is turning me off...just sayin'.