2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Hillary Clinton is one of the most ethical and most lied-about political leaders in America"
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-is-one-of-the-most-ethical-and-most-lied-about-political-leaders-in-america/Hillary Clinton is one of the most ethical and most lied-about political leaders in America
By Peter Daou
Karl Rove, the Koch brothers, and billionaire conservative moneymen like Paul Singer have spent inordinate sums to paint a malignant picture of Hillary, using sophisticated propaganda techniques to render her toxic to the American electorate. Sadly, many on the left imbibe and regurgitate these fabricated narratives, spewing falsehoods and filth at Hillary with gleeful abandon. They are joined by mainstream media operatives with personal vendettas like Maureen Dowd and the Morning Joe crew, whose venomous words reveal more about their own failings than about Hillary.
But the fact is this: no one has ever produced an iota of evidence that Hillary has behaved improperly because of a campaign contribution. No one has produced a scintilla of proof that there is a quid pro quo when it comes to her speaking fees. From Whitewater to Benghazi to her emails, nobody can point to a single instance of corruption or purposeful wrongdoing on Hillary Clintons part.
None. Zero. Ever.
The most they have are votes they disagree with. And even there, the false frames are tossed around with no regard for facts . . .
I agree with most of Bernie Sanders platform which is very similar to Hillarys but contrary to the assertions of his supporters, Bernie is not some outsider untouched by the messy complexities of politics. He is a seasoned politician who has spent a quarter century in Congress; he sided with the NRA when it was politically expedient; his top adviser is a consummate DC insider who has worked for candidates who are anathema to the left; he has hired pollsters to hone his message after saying he didnt need pollsters; and he has shown a willingness to take swipes at the likes of Planned Parenthood and HRC when it serves his political goals.
My point is this: the notion that somehow Bernie is pure good and Hillary is pure evil is hogwash. They are both politicians who make judgments and adopt positions, some of which we agree with, others we dont.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)k/r for 45!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)She voted FOR the IWR and is currently advocating boots on the ground in Syria. Hillary promotes fracking.
Bernie had the intelligence to vote against the IWR, and has worked FOR we, the people his entire career.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)None. Zero. Ever.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)By Bob Johnson
Friday Jan 22, 2016 · 2:47 PM EST
As has been well documented, Hillary and Bill Clinton have become wealthy by giving speeches to deep pocket corporate interests over the years, especially to the Wall Street behemoths.
Yesterday, The New York Times reported on how Hillarys paid speech-making has given Bernie Sanders an effective line of attack on the campaign trail, highlighting her close ties to an industry she claims she will regulate with a heavy hand. All of this in a year when voters are expressing anger at our lopsided economy:
Hillary Clintons Paid Speeches to Wall Street Animate Her Opponents
...For a fee of $275,000, she had agreed to appear before the clients of GoldenTree Asset Management, the capstone of a lucrative speechmaking sprint through Wall Street that earned her more than $2 million in less than seven months.
The Clintons have, indeed, made themselves very, very wealthy on the high-end rubber chicken circuit:
Together, Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have earned in excess of $125 million in speech income since leaving the White House in 2001, one-fifth of it in the last two years.
Goldman Sachs alone paid Mrs. Clinton $675,000 for three speeches in three different states, a fact Mr. Sanders has highlighted repeatedly.
How effective have Sanders observations on Clintons speaking fees been on the campaign trail?
In Iowa on Wednesday, Mr. Sanders went even further, seeming to mock her sizable speaking fees as borderline bribes from a powerful industry. You got to be really, really, really good to get $250,000 for a speech, he said.
The attacks have become one of Mr. Sanderss biggest applause lines in Iowa, where the median household earns about $52,229 a year.
Even Clinton allies admit the big numbers she has collected present a problem...
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/22/1473688/-How-to-explain-away-collecting-675-000-for-giving-three-speeches-to-Goldman-Sachs
Worth reading to the end,
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Collecting compensation for speaking?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)stop being so precious .
kristopher
(29,798 posts)If you like, I will - at your request - go to the objective academic literature on ethics involving conflict of interest. I will be able to demonstrate that the "norm" established by society is that this situation presents a clear conflict of interest.
That is "ethics", not law.
Would that information be helpful to you in understanding the perception created in the eyes of most members of society?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)the banking system -- they hate it.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)Warren will work with Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee and President.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/elizabeth-warren-shows-support-for-hillary-clintons-wall-street-plan/?_r=0
On Monday, Ms. Warren stopped short of endorsing Mrs. Clinton, but her message of support for the candidates Wall Street plan could do much to ease concerns that Mrs. Clintons deep donor base of financial executives would make her reluctant to install tough regulations.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/in-secret-letter-senate-democratic-women-rally-behind-hillary-clinton/
'All of the female Democratic senators signed a secret letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton early this year encouraging her to run for president in 2016 - a letter that includes the signature of Sen. Elizabeth Warren"
riversedge
(69,721 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)I want to know what things were actually said at these speeches before I condemn anybody.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)arms are all simply coincidence?
WHILE HRC was Sec of State...
dsc
(52,130 posts)and that every single, solitary one of them also bought weapons from us under other Presidents going back to FDR.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)dsc
(52,130 posts)or do you believe that women need money to do things?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Hillary has the appearance of an ethics prob, brought on by her acceptance of huge speaking fees the same year she was deciding to runfor president of the US.
She has accepted ridiculously large fees from wallstreet and health care companies. She also granted weapons contracts to countries who donated lavishly to the Clinton Foundation WHILE she was Sec Of State.
She is compromised, or bought.
dsc
(52,130 posts)and yes, of all the people involved you are saying the rest (who were men) decided on the merits while she didn't.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts).
dsc
(52,130 posts)but the only woman was corrupt.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)THAT is in fact ... "The Quid Pro Quo!" Maintain the status quo... Which don't work for the 99%!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)She invested 1000 bucks in cattle futures and made 100,000 on the deal.
And you say that is none, zero evidence?
Can you point to anyone who made that kind of money ever on trading catle futures?
But it is not "proof".
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It certainly gives the appearance of quid pro quo.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Ethical my arse.....
Kall
(615 posts)Go.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)you're quicker'n me.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)enid602
(8,524 posts)"Sadly, many on the left imbibe and regurgitate these fabricated narratives, spewing falsehoods and filth at Hillary with gleeful abandon."
peacebird
(14,195 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Ethics is not something usually talked about, unless it's trying to convince a reader
..lol
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)time waster
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)This is just the latest snail trail laid down by lowlife uber slimester David Brock, who helped give us Clarence Thomas. He has apparently found a way to Hoover up ginormous piles of Clinton cash by publishing fawning puff pieces on Hillary while he does hatchet jobs on Sen Sanders.
This is nothing more than an attempt to drag Sanders' public perception down to the whale shit level enjoyed by his employer. Read it if you want but remember its all bullshit.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Brock's American Spectator article on Hill appeared in 1992, a year after Thomas had already been confirmed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/27/us/book-author-says-he-lied-his-attacks-anita-hill-bid-aid-justice-thomas.html
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)"Consciously." "Consciously lied." Slimy company Hill's keeping.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Which speaks volumes about the Clintons for embracing him.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I think that shows a certain moral courage.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)who rebuked him on Twitter last week. The point I'm making is simply that he didn't have a hand in Thomas' confirmation that I'm aware of.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)"Rebuke." Just a great word.
Karma13612
(4,527 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)There are at least 57 million stupid voters in America, the number of people who voted for an ole white dude and the dumbest woman ever to run for on a presidential ticket. Bernie is just a left wing version of McCain.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)could that be the woman who continuously blows 30 point leads and the coddling of the corporate media to lose whenever she runs?
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)not well read which explains why u are supporting the bs.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)He is just not easily bought , hence his support of BS
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Response to underthematrix (Reply #18)
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Odin2005
(53,521 posts)We should just obey out masters and be good little corporate drones while Hillary's masters on Wall Street get ever richer and we get ever poorer! HAIL QUEEN HILLARY!!!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)The title by itself is preposterous enough that I don't care to even click the link to find out. It's either satire or just totally delusional.
Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)True Blue Media, a newly formed company incorporated by Brock, has acquired progressive news website Blue Nation Review. BNR's previous owner, MOKO Social Media Limited, will retain a 20 percent stake in the new entity while Brock will hold the remaining 80 percent equity balance. The sale was finalized Monday night.
Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Think he may be the recipient of a big ass grant from the Clinton Foundation? Somebody needs to follow the money.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/12/03/behind-the-clinton-campaign-dark-money-allies/
The Clinton campaign itself is Correct the Records single biggest contributor, giving more than $275,000 to the super PAC.
I'm sure there is more ...
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Why would a campaign gift to a superPAC? What is that superPAC able to do which the campaign is not?
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)We found the same sources.
smiley
(1,432 posts)I still don't trust her and loathe the idea that she may be the nominee.
napi21
(45,806 posts)Obama or most other Dems are. She takes $$$ from them because it's legal (thanks to the SCOTUS)!
With all that $$ sloshing around in Politics, it's extremely difficult to remain competitive without accepting it. Yea, I know Bernie doesn't, and I really admire that. I just HOPE he can maintain his competitive position throughout the General. That worries me, and I set up a monthly contribution to him. My little donation can't possibly keep his campaign going unless there are THOUSANDS of people who are and continue to do so to.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Meanwhile Clinton continues those high $$$ fundraisers raking in the dough and maxing them out in one false swoop. Then they can send all the money they want to her PAC. *wink, wink, nudge*
morningfog
(18,115 posts)no more banksters
(395 posts)Don't make me laugh ...
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)For cripes sake, people - try a little harder here!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-brock-blue-nation-review_us_564f0f3de4b0879a5b0a7bc5
snip -
Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is acquiring a media outlet, sources involved in the negotiation and sale of the site tell The Huffington Post.
True Blue Media, a newly formed company incorporated by Brock, has acquired progressive news website Blue Nation Review. BNR's previous owner, MOKO Social Media Limited, will retain a 20 percent stake in the new entity while Brock will hold the remaining 80 percent equity balance. The sale was finalized Monday night.
Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Well, wish granted. Incidentally Brock issued a memo in October 2010 recommending impeachment for Clarence Thomas:
By NICK GASS 08/31/15 10:09 PM EDT Updated 09/01/15 06:05 PM EDT
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-thomas-213205
So if nothing else at least he's got his alliances straightened out.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Or for e-bay Pierre.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)by her pac guy and her 2008 digital media strategist.
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They do not want you to know who is behind this but just look at the headlines
http://bluenationreview.com/
"Stupid is as stupid does"
Hi Hillary's Campaign? How are you? !!!
Another little Clinton scam
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The guy who's floating stories like "Sanders loves communism" and "Sanders is in terrible health" on behalf of the Clinton campaign.
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)that low to be president?
I knew Hillary lied in 2008 and before. Fresh start, handily in the lead, I didn't think she'd have folks get dirty like this this time. She would have learned from her past behavior.
What's really offensive to me is they're doing it to maybe the most honest politician of my lifetime.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I don't think the word means what you think it means.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)If taking millions of dollars from Goldman Sachs makes you ethical.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Didn't Peter Daou post here at one time?
Edit: just remembered. He was PeteNYC.
Sid
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)as a member of the executive branch when it came to email correspondance. Oh wait.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)were broke. Check when and then connect the dots...it's not that hard.
cali
(114,904 posts)Propaganda from Brock and Daou.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)who turned over control of ebay to Meg Whitman:
http://www.forbes.com/profile/pierre-omidyar/
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Has been one of Hillary's advisors.
He also founded Hillary Men.
He's just doing what he always does: promotes Hillary Clinton.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)They tried so hard to come up with just a better headline. Not to mention a funnier article. They are still working on it though. Good luck to them those plucky lads and lasses.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And bulldogs can fly.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)that they use against climate change, extra points for recycling.
Perogie
(687 posts)America rejected her once already. She's a slow learner.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)And truly believe this is absolutely frightening. We make fun of the insane rumblings from the other side, but this is pretty close. Even when I supported her I did not believe this to be even close to true.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)But I doubt that too.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Oh, wait a minute . . .
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)She has such a pattern of lies that they got away with the ridiculous Bengazi hearings. IOW Her pattern of telling not just lies, really stupid lies and distortions that come across as lies has provided cover for whatever republicans have up their sleeves to throw at her in the GE.
arendt
(5,078 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Mind boggling. People will lie to themselves to no end to avoid facing the truth.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Punx
(446 posts)Look at the deeds.
That will tell you what you need to know.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)Really, the HRC campaign has not one shred of integrity. Buy you own media through your house mud-slinger to broadcast vanity pieces? What nerve.
Splinter Cell
(703 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)David Brock!
Enough said right there!
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)underpants
(182,274 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)the writer is a liar of knows nothing about ethics
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Karma13612
(4,527 posts)FYI regarding where this piece links to (what is blue nation review):
Taking this diary with a grain of salt.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Here is an example of her ethics.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)She is not honest. Bernie is.
Yuge difference there.
Let us read her speeches; it would.be.a kindly reassuarance, tp primary voters, that she doesn't do like Mitt.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)Neither is he the Saint of Liberalism and neither is she the Devil of Capitalism.
The over the top, and sometimes outright lies about Hillary, only serve to divide Democrats.
840high
(17,196 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)it is hilarious.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)For the record, I think Bernie Sanders is great and a smart guy and masterful campaigner.
It's truly sad that some of his supporters - SOME!!! - think promoting right wing lies about Ms. Clinton is a smart strategy.
Chezboo
(230 posts)And the author of the article, Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign, is CEO of True Blue Media.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../david-brock-blue-nation... Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.
cali
(114,904 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)but it is kind of insulting to our intelligence for Brock to say that there is none at all. She is a politician who makes judgments, after all.
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)are perpetrated by some on DU.
I have already trashed 20+ threads today - and I'm just getting started.
cali
(114,904 posts)riversedge
(69,721 posts)riversedge
(69,721 posts)ICYMI
Elizabeth Warren Shows Support for Hillary Clintons Wall Street Plan
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/elizabeth-warren-shows-support-for-hillary-clintons-wall-street-plan/?_r=0
On Monday, Ms. Warren stopped short of endorsing Mrs. Clinton, but her message of support for the candidates Wall Street plan could do much to ease concerns that Mrs. Clintons deep donor base of financial executives would make her reluctant to install tough regulations.
polly7
(20,582 posts)during the lying Libya fiasco she pushed so hard for even after it was proven to be false?
Just one of many.
cali
(114,904 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Funny story bro.
Tell us another.