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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:59 PM Jan 2016

Wow, things sure have changed since I was gone.

With the solidification of Bernie Sanders as a real threat to Hillary Clinton, the Hillary Camp and her supporters have predictably revived the old memes of not caring about black people, being a socialist/communist, and even go so far as to preposterously suggest that he doesn't know how the Supreme Court works.

Meanwhile, we see that Hillary's support in Iowa is dropping precipitously to the point where even a free concert by Demi Lovato draws more mockery than it does people.

In fact, if her campaign was the movie "Spinal Tap", Iowa would be the part where the band receives the billing "Puppet Show and Spinal Tap", and her supporter's comforting words to themselves that Iowa means nothing reminds me of nothing so much as the band manager saying "Don't worry about Boston. It's not a big college town."




http://www.dailyiowanepi.com/2016/01/21/sanders-supporters-out-in-droves-at-clintons-iowa-city-rally/

"UI student Jackson Skiles, 19, showed up at 5 p.m. for the rally because a famous face was stopping by.

“I just figured there’s someone famous here, why not go see them,” said Skiles, who is from Cedar Falls. Surrounded by a group of friends who said they, like him, will caucus for Sanders, Skiles said Clinton “no longer speaks to our generation.”


Yes, things sure have changed and although the odds are still against us, they have never been better. It seems that Hillary's support can only be moving in one direction, and that is down. But then again, so many people had said this before. As well known as she was, she had nowhere to go but down. Sanders, on the other hand, seems to pick up more and more momentum as people get to know him. It is indeed a real race now and things are not looking very good for Hillary at all.

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Wow, things sure have changed since I was gone. (Original Post) Bonobo Jan 2016 OP
Yes you have summed up the state of the DU quite nicely indeed Purveyor Jan 2016 #1
Nice to have you back. K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #2
Thanks, L&L! nt Bonobo Jan 2016 #43
Hillary has never & I believe will never fight for me. I'm w the guy who to me is telling the truth highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #3
Me 2 840high Jan 2016 #26
Hi Bonobo!!! NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
Hello, NCTraveler. Bonobo Jan 2016 #44
You know how to sum up DU like Bonobos know how to have sex. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #5
Welcome back, Bonobo. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #6
My that is a beautiful target you painted there. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #7
I try to avoid here awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #8
Thanks for saying hi! Bonobo Jan 2016 #45
Welcome back, Bonobo. bvf Jan 2016 #9
Do you proudly stand with Fred Willard and Hillary Clinton? morningfog Jan 2016 #11
I PROUDLY stand with Fred Willard and... bvf Jan 2016 #14
! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #28
OK scottie55 Jan 2016 #32
For as long as we've waited for this, I'm savoring every moment. Gregorian Jan 2016 #10
Watch out, she's about to turn it up to 11. morningfog Jan 2016 #12
"Puppet Show and Spinal Tap" SoapBox Jan 2016 #13
The bad part was Bill told them to focus on the first 4 states. draa Jan 2016 #16
That does not portend well for her campaign. At all. nt Bonobo Jan 2016 #46
She's in deep shit really. Can she turn it around? Some people don't think she can. draa Jan 2016 #53
Yes, I watched it. She is really thought of unfavorably in all ways. Bonobo Jan 2016 #54
People must be listening to you then. draa Jan 2016 #56
K+R!!! draa Jan 2016 #15
We had a rally for Bernie at one of KC's famous fountains today, in 28 degree cold..... LongTomH Jan 2016 #17
K&R - Good to see you again, Bonobo! senz Jan 2016 #18
You missed the latest dogwhistle. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #19
Yes I saw that anti semitic filth Bonobo Jan 2016 #22
Someone actually called him "shifty Sanders". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #23
Do you agree with my sense that there is an unspoken anti-semitic element? Bonobo Jan 2016 #24
I hadn't thought of that but yes. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #25
+1 Totally agree. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #73
Oh, lol - so transparent, they are. closeupready Jan 2016 #27
Yoda says anti-Semitic that is. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #39
Shifty Sanders??????????? PatrickforO Jan 2016 #37
Right? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #38
There's a couple of posters who have started posting a lot of attack posts Kentonio Jan 2016 #60
Hmm. Had I been on the jury I doubt I would have voted to hide that. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #76
I do not know a single fellow Millennial who supports Hillary. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #20
i believe this. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #21
I work with a few millennials who are voting for Hillary. I have 2 millennials JRLeft Jan 2016 #30
I think that is true. My experiences and the polls back that up. Bonobo Jan 2016 #47
I am seeing the same thing. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2016 #72
Or...HELLO CLEVELAND!!! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #29
Results of jury tomm2thumbs Jan 2016 #31
Hillary Tanking In Iows = Disruptive scottie55 Jan 2016 #33
Awesome jury. Thanks for the link! Bonobo Jan 2016 #34
Ha ha, Juror #4, I love your remark. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #36
Wow, someone is trying too hard to get Bonobo on a timeout. cui bono Jan 2016 #42
They will keep trying. Bonobo Jan 2016 #48
0-7. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #51
LOL! Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #55
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #35
Jury Results Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #40
I feel like I should alert your post. trillion Jan 2016 #41
Thanks, man. Bonobo Jan 2016 #49
Snow on the ground In Kyushu! Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #57
Wow, that is EPIC! Bonobo Jan 2016 #58
Yeah saw that on the news. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #59
Yes! It was very moving. Bonobo Jan 2016 #62
..."does the fun ever start?" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #50
Thanks, Warren. Bonobo Jan 2016 #52
Welcome back Bonobo! hootinholler Jan 2016 #61
Thanks for saying that. Bonobo Jan 2016 #63
Wait. There's a puppet show in Iowa? How do I get tickets? LMAO. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #64
Oh good I live in cedar falls PatrynXX Jan 2016 #65
Priceless: "where even a free concert by Demi Lovato draws more mockery than it does people. " emsimon33 Jan 2016 #66
Have you noticed that a chunk of the site is also opposed to single-payer now? Vinca Jan 2016 #67
They now embrace Citizens United because it's helping buy Clinton the WH. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Jan 2016 #69
Welcome back! OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #70
Welcome back. LWolf Jan 2016 #71
"It's not my Job to be as confused as Nigel" - Chelsea Clinton Indepatriot Jan 2016 #74
Welcome back! blackspade Jan 2016 #75

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. My that is a beautiful target you painted there.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

Next time go with the classic color of red. Wasps can't see red.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
9. Welcome back, Bonobo.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

Love the Spinal Tap comparison. Maybe Fred Willard can welcome her to an upcoming event or two.

Better yet if he were to endorse her!

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
10. For as long as we've waited for this, I'm savoring every moment.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

When there's a vision, there's no need for talking points. I just look forward to every interview and debate, because I have confidence in Bernie's ability to stay on target.

Now I have to watch Spinal Tap again.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
13. "Puppet Show and Spinal Tap"
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jan 2016


Funny!

So speaking of her tanking numbers in Iowa...an article a day or two ago, talking about how unhappy Wild Willie is with her campaign...and was urging them to now concentrate on the Super Tuesday states.

I guess Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada can just be kissed goodbye!

Looks more to me like the entire Trainwreck Campaign should be kissed goodbye.

draa

(975 posts)
16. The bad part was Bill told them to focus on the first 4 states.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

And then he realized they were losing so they shifted to ST states.

The really bad part is Clinton didn't have staff in any of the 11 states and Bernie already had people on the ground.

There's an article floating around DU which pointed out that mistake. I prefer to call it arrogance and incompetence. A bad combination for sure.

draa

(975 posts)
53. She's in deep shit really. Can she turn it around? Some people don't think she can.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:19 AM
Jan 2016

The video in the OP I posted sort of explains the arrogance part.

And also tells you why she didn't think she needed to work for it. Basically it was her turn. Total incompetence all the way around. Worth the watch regardless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511055987

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
54. Yes, I watched it. She is really thought of unfavorably in all ways.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:32 AM
Jan 2016

Likeability, trustabilty, insincerity, feelings that she doesn't care...

I think she would really be a bad choice to be our candidate. A dangerous choice that would give the WH to the Republicans.

I said it over and over. Those negatives need to be heeded. They are the kiss of death.

draa

(975 posts)
56. People must be listening to you then.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:46 AM
Jan 2016

Her numbers are sinking like a stone. Down 9 in Iowa. Down 27 in NH. Up 4 in Nevada. And even in SC she's only up by 18 where she was up 40 a few weeks ago.

If she loses the nomination her demise will likely be from throwing Democrats under the bus on Medicare for All. 80% of the party supported that idea. She rejected it without a discussion. Then we found out she took $2.8M from the insurance companies and that was it. She couldn't have done more harm if she tried.

How bad did it hurt her. She lost 38pts on who do you trust on Health Care. That was in Iowa alone. No telling how many she lost in liberal NH. Just the strangest week in my 30 years with the party. smh

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
17. We had a rally for Bernie at one of KC's famous fountains today, in 28 degree cold.....
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jan 2016

.....and over a hundred people showed up! We were at the junction of two very busy streets in downtown Kansas City, MO.

We got a lot of thumbs up and friendly honks.

I'll post more tomorrow; right now, I'm beat.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
18. K&R - Good to see you again, Bonobo!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jan 2016

The Hillarians have been getting kind of strange lately.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. You missed the latest dogwhistle.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jan 2016

What was Bernie really doing in Israel or as it's now known the "mysterious disappearing kibbutz" meme.

It's similar to the "Was Obama really born in Hawaii?" meme but updated for 2016.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
22. Yes I saw that anti semitic filth
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jan 2016

I think the trumpeting of Bloomberg is also troubling- something about the -gasp- implied threat of 2 Jews... Will wait to see how that develops as a talking point.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
24. Do you agree with my sense that there is an unspoken anti-semitic element?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:16 AM
Jan 2016

My god, two Jews! Or something like that... Something to be avoided at all costs.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. I hadn't thought of that but yes.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

It does seem like it could be calculated to generate alarm among certain groups.

Very interesting, something to think about.

Good to see you back!


PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
37. Shifty Sanders???????????
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jan 2016


Sanders is about the most UN-shifty politician I've ever seen. He's honest, ethical, moral - everything most of the cretins ostensibly 'serving our interests' in DC AREN'T.
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
60. There's a couple of posters who have started posting a lot of attack posts
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:31 AM
Jan 2016

With stuff that like that. One of them just got a hide for calling Bernie and all his supporters left wing versions of Trump.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
76. Hmm. Had I been on the jury I doubt I would have voted to hide that.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

Of course, I haven't seen it, but allow me to explain lest I get anyone worked up.

If you look at the political situation this year, we see a profound anger at the status quo. The heavily armed, homophobic, xenophobic, racist, anti-abortion, fundy fanatics have gone over to Trump because he offers them a vent for their anger and hatred against the government, which they perceive as 'the enemy' after exposure to decades of successful right wing propaganda through Fox 'news' and hate-talk radio. But they are in fact profoundly angry at the status quo.

Bernie supporters are generally sane. At least I like to toy with the idea that I'm sane. We have identified the enemy, I believe correctly, as the capitalist oligarchs, and are every bit as angry at the status quo as the duck dynasty types. We're just for Bernie because, as I'm sure you'll agree, we believe he cares about us, and about our kitchen table issues. Speaking for myself, I support every solution Bernie has advanced.

So am I a left-wing version of a Trump supporter?

I wouldn't have said it that way, but yes, I believe I am. The difference here is that I don't want to kill people who disagree, suspend the Constitution or any of that nonsense. But I'll sure be part of the political revolution Bernie is calling for.

A last word - a caveat, actually. If Trump wins, look for a fast move to fascism complete with a new concentration camp archipelago, deportations, krystallnicht, nicht and nebel and the whole bit. If this nation goes fascist and they loose the dogs of war as we know they will, the world itself may not survive. The stakes are that high.

Vote Bernie!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
20. I do not know a single fellow Millennial who supports Hillary.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:49 AM
Jan 2016
My generation is absolutely enraged, boiling mad, at the Establishment, they are almost all Bernie and Trump supporters with a few Cruz supporters among conservative Evangelical Millennials. Hillary is despised by everyone.
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
30. I work with a few millennials who are voting for Hillary. I have 2 millennials
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jan 2016

who are crushing on me and 1 supports Trump the other supports Sanders.

The majority of the millennials are voting Bernie.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
47. I think that is true. My experiences and the polls back that up.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:10 AM
Jan 2016

The young people are the future. We should all pay attention.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
72. I am seeing the same thing.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jan 2016

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
31. Results of jury
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:39 AM
Jan 2016

Wow, things sure have changed since I was gone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511055218

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Back and stirring shit again. Nothing but divisive flamebait.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:38 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad alert, deal with it in the comments.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: God knows we don't want divisive discussion on a website devoted to politics.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have seen far, far worse. This does not deserve a hide. Just trash the thread if you can't rebut it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Go to bed. Opinions other than yours does not mean they are incorrect, just different. Go to bed before you lose sleep over yourself.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to hide a post with 76 recs. But as a general aside, I wish there was more civility and less personal attacks of Democratic candidates within GD: Primaries.


I think that's called unanimous...

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
33. Hillary Tanking In Iows = Disruptive
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:43 AM
Jan 2016

I guess that's one way to look at it.

Disrupting the gravy train.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. Wow, someone is trying too hard to get Bonobo on a timeout.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:47 AM
Jan 2016

Looks like it backfired. 24 hour timeout for you, alerter. Better get new hobby to take care of your fix. I'm sure you're shaking by now.

.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
48. They will keep trying.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:11 AM
Jan 2016

My last hides were ridiculous. All 4-3 BS.

I expect they will be able to get me silenced again. But they will not get me to self-censor.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
40. Jury Results
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:56 AM
Jan 2016

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Back and stirring shit again. Nothing but divisive flamebait.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:38 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad alert, deal with it in the comments.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: God knows we don't want divisive discussion on a website devoted to politics.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have seen far, far worse. This does not deserve a hide. Just trash the thread if you can't rebut it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Go to bed. Opinions other than yours does not mean they are incorrect, just different. Go to bed before you lose sleep over yourself.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to hide a post with 76 recs. But as a general aside, I wish there was more civility and less personal attacks of Democratic candidates within GD: Primaries.

BTW Bonobo Welcome Back. Hope to see you in the asian group.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
41. I feel like I should alert your post.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Let me guess, Hillary supporter?

I used to support Hillary when she was in congress, and I learned a very long consistent lesson. She just kept voting against the dem issues. Nancy Pelosi did the same. After watching that for years I realized she's a consistent DINO. What I don't understand is how anybody else didn't watch and find her out loud and clear, while she was in congress.

I also remember her spending years trying to talk us into a war with Iran. She picked up right where Condolezza left off.

Am I the only person who remembers those years? That doesn't seem right. This site should have people who were dems for decades on it.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
57. Snow on the ground In Kyushu!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:00 AM
Jan 2016

Biggest storm in 40 years. People are all indoors at the kotasu. I stocked up on shochu just in case.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
62. Yes! It was very moving.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:53 AM
Jan 2016

Kotoshogiku has been through some tough times with injuries. 10 years since a Japanese won...

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
63. Thanks for saying that.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jan 2016

I am, in real life, hated and loved in roughly equal measure and with roughly equal intensity.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
65. Oh good I live in cedar falls
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

Wonder if they'll be in my caucus room at UNI. assuming it's still at UNI..

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
67. Have you noticed that a chunk of the site is also opposed to single-payer now?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

Up is down and down is up.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
68. They now embrace Citizens United because it's helping buy Clinton the WH.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

They now embrace the Corp-Media that all Democrats used to despise. I guess it's anything to win.

Response to Bonobo (Original post)

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
74. "It's not my Job to be as confused as Nigel" - Chelsea Clinton
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jan 2016

"You can't dust for vomit" - Hillary Clinton

"Do Stonehenge!" - Claire McCaskill

" I think the problem is that we had a Stonehenge monument on stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf" - Bubba

" They're currently residing in the " where are they now?" file" - Progressive voters

" Oh no, no no, I think our audience has just become...more selective" - Robby Mook

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