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In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders (Original Post) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 OP
K and R. Most effective segment: Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #1
I don't care what he has to say...I agree with all his positions. brooklynite Jan 2016 #2
Not with that attitude... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #3
I don't care who it CATERS to...I care who buys it... brooklynite Jan 2016 #4
If you really agree with his positions, as you said above, pangaia Jan 2016 #7
Politics is about principles...elections are about reality brooklynite Jan 2016 #11
I think you have picked the correct candidate for your world view. pangaia Jan 2016 #14
I take it then you voted for Kucinich in 2008? brooklynite Jan 2016 #15
Well... cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #8
if he runs against the GOP, ellennelle Jan 2016 #10
Do you mean he'll have money from the DNC? That would be incorrect. brooklynite Jan 2016 #13
Are you suggesting Sanders should be raising millions of dollars? brooklynite Jan 2016 #23
sorry, upon deeper thought ellennelle Jan 2016 #12
It absolutely is my criterion. brooklynite Jan 2016 #24
If you don't think he can get elected, why push so hard on the narrative to defeat him? TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #17
We know he'll win the general. LWolf Jan 2016 #18
Kicking nt LiberalElite Jan 2016 #5
Our next POTUS! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #9
Huh. It didn't work. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #16
Nope, just new priorities. Better ones. n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #19
Who are you? OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #20
If you watched that video and don't support Bernie, it is obvious. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #21
What's obvious? OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #22
 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
1. K and R. Most effective segment:
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jan 2016

The last; when he lowers his voice. Almost to a whisper.

One hears the pitch in a different way.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
2. I don't care what he has to say...I agree with all his positions.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jan 2016

I don't think he can get elected to implement them.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
3. Not with that attitude...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

...Sanders message crosses political lines. D's and R's alike are struggling to afford life in this country at a certain standard of living. This gives him the best chance of being elected since his message doesn't cater to specific groups, but everyone.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
4. I don't care who it CATERS to...I care who buys it...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jan 2016

...AND I care if he'll have the financial resources to sell it. His grassroots financing will have to ramp up 10 X minimum to be competitive with the Republicans.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
7. If you really agree with his positions, as you said above,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

THEN STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
11. Politics is about principles...elections are about reality
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jan 2016

I can survive a Republican President; can you?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. I think you have picked the correct candidate for your world view.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

Self-interest trumps all. (no pun intended)

I have principles I will never surrender.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
15. I take it then you voted for Kucinich in 2008?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jan 2016

I'd hate to think you voted for a sell-out like Obama.....

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
8. Well...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jan 2016

If he wins and the establishment Democrats throw their resources to him then he will have enough to be competitive. Bernie may not have big donations but he has already had millions of $30 donations. I can give $30 a couple of more times. Maybe many of us can.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
10. if he runs against the GOP,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jan 2016

that assumes he has won the democratic nomination.

which in turn assumes he will have their money to use for his campaign, as well.

or, at least they will use their money - our money - to elect him.

that is how that works, amirite?

and i have to ask, does this attitude you are proposing here not perpetuate the very problem that has destroyed elections more than any other single factor in history? all that money?

i have a lot of respect for clinton on numbers of dimensions, but the fact that she and her hubby were instrumental in shifting the party toward the institutionalization of monied campaigns is close to unforgivable, imho. and she perpetuates it with her speaking fees and cozy relationship with wall street, which was itself clearly why she chose to run for senate in NY!

these are the very things we need to root OUT of our politics. and we need to start NOW. time is wasting, and too much is at stake!

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
13. Do you mean he'll have money from the DNC? That would be incorrect.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jan 2016

The National Party can give ONLY $5,000 to an individual candidate, per FEC reg. He'll have to go out at raise $1 B himself, like Obama did.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
23. Are you suggesting Sanders should be raising millions of dollars?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

Because the raise, the scale is a matter of what you need to compete, NOT what you'd "like" to spend. And with today's republicans, a billion is a conservative estimate of what you'll need.

We'd all like publicly funded campaigns; right now, we don't have them.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
12. sorry, upon deeper thought
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jan 2016

what does it mean that your concern about sanders is that he might not have enough money to fight the GOP?

THAT is your deal-breaker???

not intending to insult you, but i do respectfully encourage you to think honestly about that fact.

this is your criterion? really?

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
24. It absolutely is my criterion.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jan 2016

If you run a campaign and lose because you were massively outspent and didn't have the resources you needed, saying "well, I stuck to my principles" is cold comfort.

TheBlackAdder

(28,154 posts)
17. If you don't think he can get elected, why push so hard on the narrative to defeat him?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

.


I mean really, if you don't think he can get elected, you should just the Democratic message. Instead, you are a loud and consistent voice to strengthen the HRC campaign, without offering any pushback on her ideas--you seem to fully support HRC's positions and new promises, even though they are against your internal wishes? Do you even know who you are?

You should push for the issues that matter to you and try to swing the Democratic party to favor your wishes.



I am a staunch Democrat and I an not committed to a primary candidate. It's just that when reading certain posts, especially from the most vocal here, comments like the one you've made sounds disingenuous.


We should push to retain and build on core Democratic values, ones that have taken a century and a half to enact.


The Democratic nominee will probably be either HRC or SBS, so what's the loss for sticking up to your morals and foundations?


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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. We know he'll win the general.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jan 2016

Polls consistently show him with a better chance of beating the possible R nominees than HRC.

The only reason why he wouldn't be elected is if enough Democrats like yourself don't vote for him in their primaries.

Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
21. If you watched that video and don't support Bernie, it is obvious.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jan 2016

The snarky "new computer" comment just drove it home.


OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
22. What's obvious?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jan 2016

I don't get a chance to vote until March 15. My computer says it's January 24.

So maybe it's just the clock?

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