Paul Ryan Disowns Remarks To Ayn Rand Group Decrying ‘Collectivist’ Social Security

[DonViejo]

Further distancing himself from Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan says he no longer would describe programs like Social Security as “collectivist” as he did in a speech before the Randian Atlas Society in 2005.

“I don’t think of it like that,” Ryan told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Saturday when asked about his past remarks.

In his address to the Atlas Society, audio of which recently was posted online, Ryan called for privatizing Social Security in terms familiar to Rand’s followers, saying it was part of a broader “fight of individualism versus collectivism.”

“Social Security right now is a collectivist system,” he said. “It’s a welfare transfer system.”

He described Medicare and Medicaid in the same speech using similar language, offering up an early preview of his 2010 plan to replace “socialist based” Medicare with a privatized structure.

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[99th_Monkey]

1. Both Ryan and Rmoney are running away from themselves

as fast as they can, ever since Lyin' Ryan got Booed so resoundingly at AARP.

I hope Obama and Biden don't let them get away with this during the debates.

[central scrutinizer]

6. Backpedaling can cause one to pull a hamstring

but anyone who can run a 2:50-something marathon should be in good enough shape to avoid that.

[99th_Monkey]

10. LOL ~nt

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

14. At their core, they have no core...

Both men have compromised or denied any belief they have ever held in the pursuit of power. For that reason alone, they are unfit to hold office.

[99th_Monkey]

17. +10 nt

[SDjack]

2. Maybe the Questioners for the debates will get R$R to commit

to their positions. I can't keep up with all the flippin' n floppin'.

[htuttle]

3. How does a person 'disown remarks' that came out of his own mouth?

He doesn't even acknowledge that he used to express a different position.

[Downwinder]

8. Like Orrin Hatch said in the Thomas hearings.

"You expect someone to remember what they said in a speech?"

[Ardler333]

4. Ryan doesn't get it-- great new video

Ryan is just what the Republicans ordered: an anti-opportunity politician. Our hard earned money paid in to the social security system which provides some financial security to almost everyone and Ryan wants to dump it. Check out this music video of a song that criticizes the Romney/Ryan policy initiatives. It was inspired by the Obama/Clinton speeches at the Democratic Convention:

&feature=plcp

[exboyfil]

5. I love this quote from Krugman

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Blogger John Rogers said it first:

-- There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/ephemera-2009-7.html

[exboyfil]

11. I stand corrected

I read an incorrect attribution.

Thanks.

[kestrel91316]

7. Liar, liar, pants on fire. He just doesn't like that people are figuring out

his TRUE beliefs and what he REALLY has planned for us.

[Bake]

12. Mr. Ryan (or is it R-Ayn?), were you lying then or are you lying now?

Gotta be one or the other.

Bake

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

13. Why limit ourselves? He might by lying now AND then!

He's quite prodigious at it, you know.

[Bake]

19. True, true!

He does make it an art form! Bad art ...



Bake

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

15. .

[meow2u3]

16. How conveeeeenient!

Liar, liar, pants on fire
Wash it out with bubble gum
and send it to the dryer.

[Prophet 451]

18. Lying sack of shit

He hasn't changed one bit, he just realises how the public would view Rand's poisonous views.

[Denise21]

20. Ayn Rand

Ayn Rand was on social security in her golden years! and Ryan you were on when your father past on so what the heck is your problem people pay into social security for problems that occurred when your father past on. NOW What the heck is your problem!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

21. Soon Ryan will be able to go back to open worship of Ayn Rand

and be his true self without worrying about turning off voters with his fanaticism.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

22. Reminds me of the liner notes to an old Tom Lehrer record...

I'm paraphrasing...

If any one is offended by my lyrics, I will not only apologize for them but also deny under oath that I ever said anything in the first place.

It was funnier when Tom said it, but you get the picture. Just out of curiosity, are ALL Republicans ignorant as to the existence of recording devices? Do they not know that they can't deny they said it when we have it on tape?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

23. So is Politifact going to change its rating on this one?

They have repeated labeled "False" any claim by Democrats that Romney/Ryan plan to eliminate Medicare. I mean, since we have the candidate on tape saying that he plans to eliminate Medicare and replace it with a privatized program, I should think that would be enough for Politifact.

I mean, you know, if Politifact weren't full of shit.