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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:38 AM Jan 2016

"Hillary Clinton is not only lying but, as a former attorney, she should know better."

This is from the award winning (best blog/Netroots Nation), progressive, Alaskan-based blog, The Mudflats. The author is Carl Johnson who has a juris doctorate from the University of Minnesota Law School and practiced law in Alaska for 10 years. He painstakingly sets forth the explicit language of the PLCAA Act and calls out Hillary as a liar in her attacks on Bernie on the topic of gun control. He concludes:

"So, not only does this law not provide blanket, absolute immunity to the gun industry for any civil or criminal liability, but the folks at the Brady Campaign have even published a road map on how to successfully sue the gun industry for a variety of causes of action. Comparing their motivations to those of Hillary Clinton, I would certainly trust their word over hers on this subject."

His analysis painstakingly proves this law does not create any new immunities that did not already exist at common law. It also keeps in place the right previously at common law to sue over defects in design or manufacture that cause injury. And Hillary Clinton should, and does, know better.

He further explains that the key problem with the law is not how it is written, but how courts have been interpreting it. With the exception of one state case, most courts have been reading the exceptions rather narrowly. Thus, a good “fix” for the law would be to fill in the gaps where the courts have been interpreting the exceptions too strictly.


Hillary Is Off Target To Attack Bernie On Guns
Now that the race is tightening, Hillary Clinton is increasing her attacks on Bernie Sanders regarding his record on gun control. Starting back in October and as recently as this week, she notes how she and President Obama while in the Senate voted against a bill that would grant blanket immunity to gun manufacturers from law suits. In contrast, she claims, Bernie Sanders voted in favor of the bill.
Simply put, Hillary Clinton is not only lying but, as a former attorney, she should know better.

The law in question was the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). The PLCAA generally shields licensed manufacturers, dealers, and sellers of firearms or ammunition, as well as trade associations, from any civil action “resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse” of a firearm or ammunition, but does provide six exceptions where a civil suit could be maintained.

Now, as a former attorney, Hillary Clinton should be able to read this statute and enjoy the fine summary provided by the Congressional Research Service highlighting these provisions. She would be able to read it, understand it, and know that she is speaking falsely when claiming the law makes gun manufacturers “totally free of liability for their behavior.”

Mrs. Clinton would, as a former attorney, know that one of these exceptions affirms what is available at the common law – the ability to sue a manufacturer for a defective design or construction of a product that causes harm when used as intended. Tort law is often a powerful tool for people to enact changes in behavior among manufacturers. So, if you buy a shotgun and it backfires and harms someone, you can still file a lawsuit against that gun manufacturer. Actually, because of this law, it is clear that manufacturers are totally liable for their behavior – their design, their manufacturer, their sales (if done in violation of applicable laws). But standard products liability only applies to liability for harm caused during the normal use of that product. It would not apply during abnormal use.

Thus, Mrs. Clinton would also know that manufacturers typically enjoy common law immunity from the tortious or criminal acts committed in the use of their products. One such immunity available at common law is the intervening act of a third party. No one can sue Toyota for manslaughter if I use my Prius to commit vehicular homicide. It wasn’t any design or manufacturing defect that caused the injury, but rather my intervening criminal act that did. But they could sue Toyota under the common law if, rather than vehicular homicide, the death was caused because my brakes failed and I struck someone as a result of that failure.


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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. Here are the 6 exceptions referred to in the OP link:
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jan 2016
The law in question was the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). The PLCAA generally shields licensed manufacturers, dealers, and sellers of firearms or ammunition, as well as trade associations, from any civil action “resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse” of a firearm or ammunition, but does provide six exceptions where a civil suit could be maintained. The six exceptions provided for in the law are:

Suits against a federal firearms licensee if the licensee were convicted of selling firearms in connection with drug trafficking.
A law suit brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se. Simply put, the suit can be maintained if the seller sold it to someone they had reason to believe would use the weapon to harm others. While the statute does not define “negligence per se,” that term is commonly understood to mean violation of a statute. So if the sale itself violated a statute, then a suit could be maintained regarding the sale.
The manufacturer or seller knowingly violated an underlying state or federal statute, such as those related to the sale and marketing of firearms.
An action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the gun.
An action for death, physical injuries, or property damage resulting directly from a defect in the design or manufacture of the product when used as intended (except when the gun is used in the connection of a crime to shoot others).
Any action by the Attorney General of the United States to enforce the relevant Gun Control Act or National Firearms Act against federal firearms licensees through the administrative or civil proceedings in those statutes.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
2. Wasn't she disbarred? To me, that would suggest she might not know better.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jan 2016

I see that as a sign of incompetence, given the lofty positions she's held and is seeking.

Response to Bubzer (Reply #2)

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
5. you might be thinking of Bill Clinton
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jan 2016

disbarred for lying. Hillary might not be aware of the consequences?
then again, I think they undisbarred him, so
no biggie

-ah, a five year suspension.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
7. She failed the DC Bar; was licensed in Arkansas
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jan 2016

She practiced law in Arkansas (promoted to full partner after 1 year - because of Bill's political importance of course) at the Rose Law firm - it was her failure to honor a subpoena for her Rose law firm billing records in regard to the Whitewater land transactions which kept Ken Starr's investigation going for 2 years, allowing time for Monica to appear on the scene - and the rest is impeachment history!

I have no idea whether she kept her Arkansas license active - that would have required continuing legal ed classes every year since then.

She was never disbarred. Neither was Bill. He was suspended for several years.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
9. I'll presume you meant to reply to me since the OP didn't mention disbarment.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jan 2016

I generally do research before posting... though time isn't always available for that... hence the question, which you seem to have taken as a statement. Sometimes it's far more efficient to ask the community and draw on the research they've already done, than to do the research. It was in this case.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Hell, she raged against marriage equality for decades using bogus theology she herself does not
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

seem to believe because her Bible has many commands for her which she simply does not follow nor attempt to follow, he life is a giant rejection of all the NT rules for women even as she insists that NT rules for LGBT are 'The Word of God Eternal'.

People who will do that will do anything. Hypocrites have no ethics.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
10. the Bernie supporters continue to attack one of our candidates with intense
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jan 2016

ferocity. here are the weasily words in this attempt: blanket, absolute immunity

is there a lot of immunity? I've been understanding this bill was bad for gun control long before Bernie was even in the Presidential picture.

here is a total nonsensical statement: Simply put, Hillary Clinton is not only lying but, as a former attorney, she should know better


- not only lying .... should be followed with something that expands on that statement and the wording is intended to make it sound gruesome. Everyone should know that lying is bad - not just attorney's.

I have to wonder - how many 'fervent' Bernie supporters are actually just here to derail any change of a democratic victory?

I may like Hillary more than Bernie - but I would support and do my best to have Bernie win if he won the nomination. I'm not doing everything I can to destroy all his efforts to help us.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. I'll take offense to your post
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

and this is why.

She is running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world.
She not getting a free pass and nobody should, ever. Every single one of our candidates, both sides, should be questioned. No matter what party they belong to. It's our duty to do that.

Democracy isn't a spectator sport. Just because Hillary belongs to a party that you're part of doesn't mean her history and baggage (there's no lacking in that area) get a free pass.

She's a weak candidate. If you want a stronger candidate who doesn't have 1/100th of the baggage, #FeelTheBern!

Roosevelt said it best.



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