Hillary Clinton gave an impassioned answer to Sanders supporters who doubt her character

[DemocratSinceBirth]

DES MOINES -- The question came from a young man named Taylor -- a first time caucus-goer -- who said he leans toward supporting Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. Taylor noted that many of his friends are "passionate" supporters of Sanders, but they find Hillary Clinton to be "dishonest."

At the heart of the question is a problem that has dogged Clinton's candidacy: why do so many voters -- particularly young voters -- believe Sanders is a more authentic fighter for their causes.

Clinton was on her feet and before long, her voice raised, her arms waving with passion.

"I’ve been on the front lines of change and progress since I was your age," Clinton told the questioner. "I have been fighting to give kids and women and the people who are left out and left behind the chance to make the most out of their own lives."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/26/hillary-clinton-gave-an-impassioned-answer-to-sanders-supporters-who-doubt-her-character/

[djean111]

1. Or to go to war. Or lose benefits. Or go to jail.

The millennials look this stuff up. A ringing campaign declaration just does not cut it any more.

[oasis]

41. It may not "cut it" with some here, but she certainly impressed the locals. nt

[TCJ70]

2. "At the heart of the question...

...is a problem that has dogged Clinton's candidacy: why do so many voters -- particularly young voters -- believe Sanders is a more authentic fighter for their causes."

This one is easy. It's a matter of public record. You can go back and watch Bernie be on message and call out the BS over the past 30 years. Similarly, you can watch Hillary shift all over the place for the last 30 years. It's not hard to see why that perception exists...because it's real. Maybe not going as far as dishonest, but certainly as far as questioning her commitment to what she says.

[roguevalley]

21. another question ... was he a plant

[GummyBearz]

23. Woah woah

Hillary would never do such a thing.

[KittyWampus]

43. By whom? A Sanders supporter?

[CorporatistNation]

96. AGREED! Plenty of Self Manufactured Ammo From The Clintons...Against Themselves!

HillBill IS her own worst enemy... Triangulation self strangulation! Her fault! Just because the facts currently do not comport with her wishes is Tooo badddd...

[nc4bo]

3. She was my candidate before I learned about Obama.

Obama convinced me he was the right candidate for POTUS and my support grew only stronger after observing the way the HRC directed her campaign against him.

I knew I could not trust the Clintons and Hillary did not deserve my vote and feel I made the best decision. Still do.

This time around, I KNOW who she is, what she's all about and what she stands for. My opinion remains unchanged and that is why my vote for Democratic nominee for POTUS will be for Bernie Sanders.

[libdem4life]

88. Same experience. 2nd time around, too. I want to see a woman president some day.

But I want it to be one who will make not only women, but all proud. I don't see that here.

And, I've said this before as I'm her age, and know what it was like growing up through the Vietnam War and nascent Feminism, "bra-burning" and the whole 9 yards...and the way the cards were stacked against women. We had to fight not to be considered doormats.

But we've grown up and made changes and caused changes and see more changes ahead...not just for women, but for all. Today, it's not so much the gender, as we've come a long way, but it's income inequality that separates us now. That's the defining issue.

So, again, a Dark Horse appears with a better plan, so I'll wait for the right woman to come along to get my vote for President, after President Sanders.

[Bjornsdotter]

107. Ditto and Ditto

I'm 55 and I do remember. I am not fooled. I do not want a candidate to think that because we both happen to be women she is guaranteed my vote.

Too many things are bothersome....the speaking fees, ties to Monsanto & Wal-Mart, Her Iraq War vote, her impassioned speech that marriage was between a man & a woman, etc.

She really put the frosting on the cake when she stated "We are not Denmark". Of course not, we are 50 years behind Denmark. I see her as a status quo candidate and not a progressive. I want a progressive, even if that progressive is just trying to bring us to the status quo of the rest of the first world countries.

[libdem4life]

108. Best line: We are 50 years behind Denmark. Nailed it. n/t

[eridani]

4. My problem is with her policies, not with her character n/t

[hueymahl]

18. My problem is with both. NT

[Jarqui]

35. Me too

The polls tell you again and again that she's by far the most untrustworthy candidate running. Just look at the dishonesty going after Sanders in the past few weeks. She's been doing that since she showed up in Washington. I don't think someone that lies as much as she has should be anywhere near something that claims she has "good character".

Her policy is a moving target through her many flip-flops. You never know for sure what you're going to get.

[Fawke Em]

5. ...and no one believed her. eom

[MariaThinks]

19. I believed her.

[R B Garr]

75. More people believed that question came from a

divisive Berniebro who have earned a reputation everywhere for being aggressively disruptive. It was obvious from his demeanor that he had been spoonfed the canned anti-Hillary talking points from the internet. He had no authenticity in his question. So phony and obvious.

[Fawke Em]

81. No. The phony and obvious you were seeing was from her canned answer.

[Fast Walker 52]

6. honestly, it was a very strong answer

whether it changed anyone's mind, I've no idea.

[Bubzer]

29. I thought it failed to address the very real level of dishonesty that plagues her career.

It might be considered strong on the passion front, but it lags in dealing with a long and well established history of dubious politics and poor judgment.

[Fast Walker 52]

68. True-- but what can she really say about it?

That it's just politics and everyone lies?

I suppose that would be honest at least...

[Motown_Johnny]

7. "impassioned"

More like an "Angry Sarah Palin" style answer.

She was just yelling and rambling for most of that town hall. It was painful.

[Broward]

8. She voted for the Iraq War for political reasons.

How can one not doubt her character?

[Warren DeMontague]

9. She seems to have taken a vacation from the front lines 2002-2006ish.

Voting for the Iraq War, "marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman", and sponsoring malodorous anti-1st Amendment flag burning legislation is not, to my mind, "being on the front lines of change and progress"

[cali]

10. Because, like Holden Caulfield, they don't like phoney people

Phoney
Fake, not real
Every time i see her she puts on this phoney accent, it drives me crazy.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Phoney

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Yep! I hate when Democrats--white and black--do the fake "urban accent" when visiting black churches

It's a slap in the face and an insult.

They really think we're dumb people, especially the white candidates.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. What's even more insulting is when they expect a black person to "act white"....

You know what I mean.

[Gothmog]

11. I love Sec. Clinton's answer to this question

[hueymahl]

22. What is not to love

Except it is fake. Her speech reminded me of a teenager getting mad at her parents for being called out for acting like a shithead. The anger did not come from being falsely accused, it came as a defense mechanism - she does not want people to see her like she is.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. I'm not a Sanders supporter and STILL doubt her character. Always have.

[Persondem]

15. It was a great answer to a tough question. I wonder how Sanders would have answered

a question about him being in bed with the NRA or how he teamed with the GOP to kill immigration reform in 2007.

Thank you for posting this. K & R

[Javaman]

31. But in 2007, Sanders was part of the charge from the left to kill an immigration overhaul bill.

Back then, the Vermont independent warned that the immigration bill — a product from then-Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) — would drive down wages for lower-income workers, an argument that’s been used by hard-liner reform opponents. He paired with conservative Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on a restrictive immigration amendment. And Sanders backed provisions characterized as poison pills to unravel the bill, while voting to block the final measure in June 2007.

>snip<

For all his rhetoric in 2007, Sanders didn’t oppose a pathway to citizenship or efforts to boost border security. That chapter in Sanders’ immigration record reflects less on his support for the issue and more on his alliance to labor — and key unions also opposed the 2007 legislation.

“Sanders was basically one of our only allies … especially for low-skilled workers” in 2007, said Ana Avendano, a former top immigration official at the AFL-CIO. “He adamantly put his foot down and said these kinds of programs [allow] employers to bring in more and more vulnerable workers.”

For some overhaul supporters, Sanders’ stance was a blow in 2007.

“I wasn’t happy when he voted against the bill and I wasn’t happy we lost. It hurt,” said Frank Sharry, a longtime veteran of Washington’s immigration battles. “In retrospect, we realized that the only way we can proceed is that progressive forces are united behind the bill, and then you negotiate from strength with the business community and conservatives on employment and business immigration.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190#ixzz3yMh5ORiH

And...

Why Bernie Sanders, Alleged Gun Moderate, Gets a D-Minus from the NRA

ernie Sanders, the socialist Vermont Senator seeking the Democratic nomination for president, has lately been taking flack for his position on gun policy. In late June, a super PAC tied to Martin O’Malley, one of his opponents in the Democratic field, suggested in a campaign ad that he leaned to the right on the issue. In 1993, Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks and a five-day waiting period for gun purchasers. And in 2005, he voted in favor of an NRA-backed bill that shields gun manufacturers and sellers from negligence suits. But the ad reserves its most dripping scorn for a chapter in Sanders’s early career, when he was running for a House seat in 1990. The NRA funded a campaign against his incumbent opponent, who favored an assault-weapon ban. Sanders won the election by almost 20 points.

All of which makes the poor grades Sanders has received from the NRA somewhat perplexing. In 2002, he received an F from the gun lobby group, then climbed to a D+ in 2004, and peaked with a C- in 2006. During his last election, in 2012, Sanders had dropped to a D-.

The NRA’s grading system is what might be considered a trade secret. The organization hands out letter grades for candidates prior to each election, based on their voting records, public statements, responses to an NRA questionnaire, and, according to the group’s executive editor, Chris Cox, “involvement in Second Amendment issues.” Sometimes, as with 2014 Republican congressional candidate Mark Greenberg, a single remark can destroy your good standing. A month before election day, Greenberg, a Connecticut real estate developer who was running against a Democratic incumbent, came out in favor of FBI background checks, and the NRA downgraded him from an A to an F. He did not win in November.

Sanders, meanwhile, has taken stands that can only further hurt his score. In 2013, he voted for an expansive ban on assault weapons and came out in favor of universal background checks.

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/why-bernie-sanders-alleged-gun-moderate-gets-a-d-minus-from-the-nra/

[pinebox]

49. And Hillary gets a pass? I don't think so!

Are you aware that Hillary voted for a border fence and is ON RECORD bragging about it no less? So let's talk immigration shall we?

http://www.latintimes.com/hillary-clinton-bragging-about-building-border-wall-keeping-out-illegal-immigrants-352631
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley’s campaign denounced Hillary Clinton on Monday over comments she made in a New Hampshire Town Hall that highlighted her support of a U.S.-Mexico border as a tool to deter Latin American immigrants from entering the country illegally. The comments came after O’Malley himself blasted Clinton over her immigration record on Sunday at an immigration forum in Nevada which she did attend, a fact that the former Gov. was happy to underscore. Clinton’s border wall comments came in response to a question from an audience member who asked “What you think about securing the border with some of the illegal immigrants that come in?”

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in,” Clinton said “and I do think that you have to control your borders.”

Or was it Hillary's disparaging remarks against immigrants?

Hillary Clinton: Unaccompanied Minors 'Should Be Sent Back'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/hillary-clinton-immigration_n_5507630.html
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that unaccompanied minors who crossed the border illegally in a massive influx over recent months "should be sent back" to their native countries....

And then DOUBLES DOWN on her comments!

Hillary Clinton Defends Call To Deport Child Migrants
But legal groups say virtually all unaccompanied minors from Central America qualify for humanitarian relief.
Hillary Clinton this week defended her call to deport children from the U.S. who are fleeing violence in Central America.

Speaking at a press conference in Las Vegas on Tuesday, the former secretary of state and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination said that deporting the children, many of whom are seeking asylum, would send a “responsible message” that would deter Central American families from sending their children to the United States.

“Specifically with respect to children on the border, if you remember, we had an emergency, and it was very important to send a message to families in Central America: Do not let your children take this very dangerous journey,” Clinton said

Now guns.

Hillary has quite the history of being wishy washy. In fact, let's take a look at a campaign flier which was mailed out in 2008 when she faced Obama. Sorry but just nope. Yet Hillary gets a pass on all this stuff. Why is that?



Remember when Hillary portrayed herself as a Sarah Palin gun totin', church goin' kinda gal? I do. yet why isn't this pandering ever brought up.

Or maybe it's her completely flip flopping on gun control. Remember this? We do. We see you. And we're fighting against the revisionism Hillary supporters seem to love.

[Javaman]

50. I think you need to reread my post...

I support Bernie, my post was in reply to persondem when they wrote: "a question about him being in bed with the NRA or how he teamed with the GOP to kill immigration reform in 2007."

in essence Bernie voted against the immigration reform, because like all "reform" bills it was filled with poison against immigrant workers wages.

it goes on to show that Bernie supported a pathway to citizenship and clearly points out in the bolded area that he is a friend to immigrant union workers.

and also showing Bernies D- rating from the NRA.

this was a argument in defense of Bernie.

you accusing me of "giving hillary a pass" is not what my response was about. but hey if you wish to pick fights with fellow Bernie supporters, that's your right but won't win you friends.

[pinebox]

61. I read it

My answer was rhetorical.
Check this out.

[Javaman]

78. okay...

rhetorical or not, please re-aim at those deserving next time.

[Bubzer]

51. In bed with the NRA? That's an absurd statement. What evidence do you have on that claim?

I'm sure the NRA award's a D- to all it's closely held politicians...

[libdem4life]

89. How do you get in bed with someone who rates you a D-? Sex aside, it's absurd.

And about the immigration reform ... is there a more pretzeled issue than Immigration. To this day, no one even knows what it really means. It's flypaper.

For real live immigrants...and I know a bit about this living and working in LA County for years, it's not a small, insignificant matter to be bantered back and forth between Anglos, mostly. It's always going to be an issue, I fear.

[mcar]

16. It was a great answer to a snarky question

[Kalidurga]

17. I am not sure yelling at the person asking a question was the right tactic.

OTOH I didn't like that question. I think if the questioner had some question about dishonesty or character the question should have been very specific. And asking about enthusiasm levels is just weird how is she supposed to read people's minds?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. "...the chance to make the most out of their own lives."

By getting them up off their lazy asses by cutting off their welfare.

[Fuddnik]

24. Nixon was more to the point. "I am not a crook".

[KingCharlemagne]

25. Well, actually, she was a Goldwater Girl when she was his age. Goldwater only

called for using nuclear weapons on those 'uppity Vietnamese' women and children.

But, meh, details.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Dear King Charlemagne,

Dear King Charlemagne, that gentleman was of voting age. If you can provide evidence to the contrary I request that you adduce it. Hillary Clinton's first vote cast was for Eugene McCarthy in the 1968 Democratic presidential Primary.


With all due respect,


DemocratSinceBirth
Proud plebeian

[KingCharlemagne]

55. So she claims now. Mighty convenient. Before that she supported

someone who advocated using nuclear weapons . . . on peasants.

Makes her Iraq War vote understandable, even though utterly odious to anyone with a heart and two functioning brain cells.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Dear King Charlemagne

Dear King Charlemagne, her support of Eugene McCarthy, despite your assertion to the contrary, has been part of the public record for some forty years.



Respectfully,


DemocratSinceBirth
Proud Plebeian

[KingCharlemagne]

57. See, what none of us get is how someone who actually

did support Gene McCarthy (instead of, you know, claiming to support him), how someone like that could subsequently vote for the pack of lies known as Shocking and Awful.

OTOH, it makes perfect sense that a Goldwater Girl would vote for the Iraq War. Because what's a few more dead brown women and children?

IOW, something does not compute and , in fact, stinks like a dead and rotting fish.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Here is a list of those Democrats voting for the IWR

Dear King Charemagne, here is a list of Democrats voted for the Iraq War Resolution:


Bayh, Evan (D-IN)
Baucus, Max (D-MT)
Biden, Joseph (D-DE)
Breaux, John (D-LA)
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)
Carnahan, Jean (D-MO)
Carper, Thomas (D-DE)
Cleland, Max (D-GA)
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY)
Daschle, Tom (D-SD)
Dodd, Chris (D-CT)
Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Edwards, John (D-NC)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Harkin, Tom (D-IA)
Hollings, Ernest (D-SC)
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)
Kerry, John (D-MA)
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)
Landrieu, Mary (D-LA)
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT)
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR)
Miller, Zell (D-GA)
Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
Reid, Harry (D-NV)
Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV)
Schumer, Chuck (D-NY)
Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ)

How many of them do you think were supporters, assuming they were old enough, of course, supported the anti war candidates: Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy in the 1968 Democratic presidential primary?


Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth
Proud Plebeian

[KingCharlemagne]

60. That list should cause great shame and mortification. Instead . . . SIGH . . .

you wield it to show that Hillary is no worse than . . . Joe Lieberman??? That takes damning with faint praise to an entirely whole new level.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Dear King Charlemagne

That list should cause great shame and mortification. Instead . . . SIGH . . .
you wield it to show that Hillary is no worse than . . . Joe Lieberman??? That takes damning with faint praise to an entirely whole new level.

Dear King Charlemagne, that is a reductio ad absurdum and consequently a logically fallacy. I merely shared with you the list to disabuse you of the notion that supporting the anti-war candidates in the 1968 Democratic Primary and supporting the Iraq War Resolution are not mutually exclusive. I would add that nothing I said ot have said speaks to the wisdom of an affirmative vote.


With all due respect,

DemocratSinceBirth
Proud Plebeian

[KingCharlemagne]

65. My, you wield the Latin phrases impressively, albeit

incorrectly.

I don't really care what your intent was. Hillary is in good company there with Lieberman and Zell Miller. As I said upthread, such company makes perfect sense for the former Goldwater Girl.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Dear King Charlemagne

Dear King Charlemagne, despite your contention that my grasp of Latin phrases or more correctly, elementary logic, is tenuous I respectfully request that you inform yourself what a reductio ad absurdum is and how it represents a lapse in logic. It occurred in the current instance when you suggested Joe Lieberman was emblematic of Democratic senators who supported the Iraq War Resolution when support for the resolution defied strict ideological lines with liberal luminaries like John Kerry and Tom Harkin voting for it.






With all due respect,

DemocratSinceBirth
Proud plebeian

[Betty Karlson]

27. Oh she was on the frontlines all right: but she was on the wrong side.

DOMA, DADT, no support for marriage equality until 2012 or even later...

Even now, she wants to limit the raising of the minimum wage (Wall Mart board veteran that she is), she'll want to revisit TPP, she'll not really reform campaign financing, she'll only cosmetically deal with the prison industry ("just give your donations to Debbie instead of to me&quot . Yeah, she's been on those frontlines a long time, stopping change wherever she can.

[SoapBox]

30. Thanks but...

No thanks.

30+ years of her (and him) is more than enough.

No more for me.

[HassleCat]

32. She should tone it down a little

She has been on the front lines of politics since she was young, not on the front lines of change and progress. The thing with the Goldwater Girls would not qualify as change and progress. And there have been little bumps in the road along the way. And she didn't really answer the question, did she?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Her first vote cast was for Eugene McCarthy.

Suggesting someone is dishonest is an amorphous charge. It is hard to disabuse the person making it of that notion.


I admire the restraint politicians show. If someone called me dishonest in real life I would politely suggest the person perform an anatomically impossible act on himself.

[HassleCat]

52. Correction

She says her first vote was for McCarthy, but we have no way of knowing. My experience suggests honest people don't get all huffy-puffy when accused of being dishonest. And she did not answer the question.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. I didn't see anybody get huffy puffy but I would defend your right to belittle anybody you want.

As to your suggestion she didn't really vote for Eugene McCarthy your suggestion doesn't comport with the public record.





With all due respect,
DSB

[HassleCat]

70. What does the public record show?

If Clinton voted in a state where voting a Democratic or Republican ballot was required, and if the records of who got what ballot still exist, the public record could be used to verify that a particular person received a particular kind of ballot. Of course, there is no way to confirm that an individual voter voted any particular way. Many people say they have been lifelong Democrats, always voted for Democrats, etc but we have no way of knowing for sure. Clinton says she voted for McCarthy, and that's probably true, but it's not a matter of public record, and we should not state it as absolute fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Dear HassleCat

Dear HassleCat, I will defer to the available public record and not a random internet poster who may or not be subject to bias, ergo:

When Hillary Rodham’s high school government teacher in Park Ridge, Ill., insisted she play the role of Lyndon B. Johnson in a mock debate of the 1964 presidential election, she protested.

Ms. Rodham, one of the school’s standout debaters, was a proud Barry Goldwater supporter (she wore a hat with an “AuH2O” logo) and an active member of the Young Republicans. But the teacher, Jerry Baker, was intent on challenging her to argue the other side.

Always a dutiful student, she agreed, settling into the library to pore for hours over Johnson’s positions on civil rights, foreign policy and health care. She prepared with such ardor and delivered such a compelling case that she even convinced herself. By the time Ms. Rodham graduated from college, she was a Democrat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/us/politics/in-debate-hillary-clinton-will-display-skills-honed-over-a-lifetime.html?_r=1

Respectfully,

DSB

[HassleCat]

74. We all know that.

We're all aware Clinton switched from Republican to Democrat in college. It's reasonable to assume she voted for McCarthy in the Democratic primary, and it would not be reasonable to accuse her of doing otherwise, but it's also not reasonable to accept that as absolute fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Would you agree or disagree that the public record suggests...

Would you agree or disagree that the public record suggests that her first legally cast vote was likely for a Democrat and that it is fair to question the motives of why someone would labor to dispute the public record?

Thank you in advance.

She's been a Democrat for a long time. That used to not be in dispute, used to...


Respectfully,
DSB

[davidthegnome]

33. Hmm.

You know, I think some level of dishonesty comes with the job, for anyone in politics. Your life, actions, history... everything about you (and your family) is put under a microscope - and people will analyze, form their own opinions, judge you based on these things without always being aware of the proper context. In this, intentions don't really come into it, but results. The consequences of your actions.

I don't doubt that Clinton wants what's best for the people of this Country, what I doubt are that her policies are going to be able to give them that. I don't think she's a bad person - I think she is very much, however, a politician. Like Romney, Trump, the Bushes, other candidates and/or Presidents in the past... she is a very wealthy individual. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that a great deal of the problems in this Country come from the top 1%, their power, their wealth, their control over everything from education to politics, to the military. Clinton is one of them, right down to her bones.

I think Sanders is a terrible politician, which is one of the reasons he's getting my vote. He's too human, too simple, too humble - and too honest. The years to come, I fear, may change him, especially if he wins the Presidency... but, he is one of us (or at least, one of my kind - I can't speak for everyone here). One of the 99%, as opposed to being representative of the corrupt oligarchs, corporations - and big money pricks that have been steadily destroying our Country for years.

Wealth is no great evil or sin, certainly not when it's honestly come by. Yet, I have to consider the voting record, the policies. Ultimately, Clinton would have a much better chance of getting my vote if she hadn't voted for the Iraq war. If she didn't have such close ties to corporations like Monsanto and Walmart - or Goldwater. In this age of Super PACs, I have had enough of the wealthy and their politics, I want someone who has some inkling of what it is like to be a regular American citizen.

I'd really love to have health insurance (I'm one of those people who fell through the cracks in the ACA), I'd love to go back to school (in debt up to my eyeballs). I'd really love it if our Country could work through diplomacy to avoid war with Iran, or North Korea. I'd love it if we could do something to... dare I say it? Re-distribute wealth. Every day I and those like me worry and stress about things that need not be such a nightmare. Health Insurance, access to education, heat in the winter, food on the table. Will our children have a Country or world to live in? Is our greed, ignorance - and stupidity, going to destroy it via climate change?

Sanders understands my concerns - he has spoken about them often enough in the past in the manner of someone who understands very well.

Ultimately, I am for the poor. Therefor, I will fight for Sanders. It is not that I dislike Clinton or am dead set against her nomination, I simply find Sanders to be the only candidate to run, within my lifetime, that is representative of the poor, of the normal people like me. Enough of the billionaires, money doesn't spend when you're six feet under-water.

[tularetom]

34. Her fake indignation is about as convincing as her fake black accent

"...her voice raised, her arms waving with passion".

There are times when I wish I had never disconnected my dish. Oh well, maybe somebody will make a gif of it.

And if she thinks people are doubting her honesty now, if she becomes the nominee, it will get exponentially worse. Right now, the news media are cutting her a lot of slack, but in the general election, the tone will change.

[ram2008]

36. Comes across as phony to me

She is a policy wonk, not an impassioned fighter. Just didn't run me the right way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I used to be amazed that a knowledge of policy can work to it one's detriment,

I used to be amazed that a knowledge of policy can work to it one's detriment, used to...

[Fumesucker]

47. If she got the policy right the first time more often "policy wonk" would be a better argument

[ram2008]

85. It's just weird and seems like she's acting, this Hillary in her prime:

If she was like this on the campaign trail I think she would be doing much better. More honest, less acting, to the point, not dancing around the issue, and showing all the intricacies of policy.

Much better than the Oprah act she was giving at the town hall.

[Kentonio]

39. Interesting how they cut out the rather condescending part of her answer..

“I have been around a long time and people have thrown all kinds of things at me and I can’t keep up with it,” replied Clinton, questioning the experience of her challenger. “If you are new to politics and it’s the first time you’ve really paid attention, you go, ‘Oh my gosh, look at all of this’.”

“I have been on the frontline of change and politics since I was your age,” she added. “When I worked on healthcare back in ’93 and ’94 – and I don’t know if you were born then, I can’t quite tell – but if you had been around and able to pay attention, I was trying to get us to universal healthcare coverage.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/26/hillary-clinton-young-voters-bernie-sanders-iowa-forum

Strange how those parts were left out in the article..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I thought she was being facetious and telling the young man he looked, well, young.

We all see the world through our own lens.


My buddy is well into his thirties. He ordered a beer and the waitress carded him. He took it as a compliment.

[Kentonio]

45. 'I don't now if you were born then' would have just been funny.

it was the stuff about paying attention that came across as condescending to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Regardless of whether or not he was born then...

Regardless of whether or not he was born then, given his apparent youth, I doubt he was old enough to pay attention to the health care debate of the early to mid 90s.

But again, we all see the world through our own lens.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. If you come off as unconvincing, look sincere and offer more platitudes. Did she mention apple pie?

[Fumesucker]

48. Agreed and welcome to DU!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. What happened to the gentleman or lady you responded to?

[lunamagica]

53. K&R. It was impressive, and I believed her

I would have loved to see Sanders reaction had someone asked why he voted five times against thee Brady Bill, or to explain his YES vote in favor of the racist border vigilante group, the Minutemen.

[SheenaR]

59. Dear DSB

This Sanders supporter thought that she simply listed accomplishments and did not address the question of why it is young people think she is dishonest.

Proudly, with all due respect

Sheena

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Dear Sheena:

Well,


X- " DemocratsInceBirth, my friends think you're dishonest."

DemocratSinceBirth- "I'm honest."



Beyond that I don't know how one refutes such an allegation.



Respectfully,
DSB

[MrMickeysMom]

63. And, judging from the shot on the young man's face....

... he found no confidence in her response.

[Autumn]

66. Is this the young man who was a plant?

[Gothmog]

67. This was a great answer by Sec. Clinton

[GeorgeGist]

71. Good answer ...

to another question.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

72. Clinton can SAY whatever she wants to --

but, as a political activist, I have been watching her since 1991 and I base my opinion of her on HER OWN ACTIONS over these many years.

And it is because of HER OWN ACTIONS that I choose Bernie Sanders over her as my choice for President of the United States.

Sorry, Hillary, I ain't buyin'.

[SidDithers]

77. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Z_California]

79. It's the INTEGRITY stupid.

He's got it. She doesn't. No speech or response can change history.

[treestar]

80. Good.

Geez what an ignorant question. Let's let Republicans define our candidates as "dishonest" by saying it over and over. Talk about rolling over and caving.

[mhatrw]

82. "I Believe You, Hillary." David Brock

[Avalux]

83. She gave a staged performance to a planted question. Waaaay overdone too.

She is not sincere, she lies, and the passionate arm waving was rehearsed move to try to get young people excited.

Hillary supporters must be wearing blinders.

[VulgarPoet]

84. If you expect me to believe that

After her flagrant flouting of Special Access Program protocol on top of her coy little shell game when questioned about it? After she claimed to be for marriage equality for years when she only changed her mind back in 2012? When nothing that comes out of her mouth is a lie, when she campaigned for Goldwater when she was my age, fuck no, I don't believe that. Forgive my profanity, but fuck. That.

She's no better than the republicans she claims to be against. And you can quote me on that one. I do not sip tea with my enemy.

[restorefreedom]

86. if she had brought the same conviction and passion

to the progressive side of the issues (iraq war, single layer, minimum wage, wall st, ss rights) over the years, my guess is that question would never have had to be asked.

[Number23]

87. "They throw all this stuff at me and I’m still standing," Clinton said."

Hate her, love her or totally indifferent, no one can refute this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. Thank you for responding to my thread. This could be great bumper music for her

[Number23]

91. Somebody must have lit a fire under her butt. I am actually starting to LIKE this Hillary

and I haven't been able to say that about her since this dreadful primary began.

But I love this fighting spirit she's showing. And there is nothing but truth in her statement. She has been through ALL of it, she's had this crap thrown at her by everybody, and she's still standing. Serious props to her.

[djean111]

92. Yes, maybe I should re-think my objections to things like war and fracking and cluster bombs and

the TPP and such, because she is so very PASSIONATE about those things!

Gee, I had not thought that style was a lot more than content, or that attitude was more important than what actually happened. Why, that was a truly AWESOME story about Bosnian sniper fire! I am just looking at it from the wrong direction!

The pity vote! poor Hillary! People keep bringing up deeds and words! Damn them!

Not gonna fly too far.

[Fumesucker]

93. The entire story behind the Bosnia incident is far more compelling

Truly ironic, this was first posted in 2008 on a site where at the time the consensus of the commentariat was heavily pro Obama and anti Clinton, today the same site is just as heavily pro Clinton and anti Sanders. If I were to post this very popular at the time piece back on the same site today I would be roundly attacked. To a big extent it's the same people posting too, they very much wanted the "outsider" candidate in 2008 and today they are over the Moon for the ultimate insider they loathed in 2008.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/from-the-war-journals-of-hillary-clinton-vol-i/

[djean111]

94. Funnily enough, I was FOR Hillary in 2008 - voted for her in Florida.

That Florida primary was such a hubristic fuck-up. In the intervening years, I read too much to support her any longer.

[Number23]

98. Your post is as nonsensical as it is desperate

And it's got both sad traits in spades. Believe that.

[djean111]

99. Oh, I am not desperate in the least.

Or nonsensical. I am saying that Hillary getting agitated or passionate does not cancel out what, IMO, she stands for, based on her deeds. Can't even imagine what you mean by desperate, though. I run this stuff by my 20 YO grandson. He just rolls his eyes and says - we look this stuff up, we don't pay attention to dramatics. So I'm good, thanks for playing.

[Number23]

100. You are both. And if somone simply typing that they like Hillary causes this type of panicked

hysterical response from you, then maybe you should spend more time focusing on why you like your candidate instead of breaking into a sweat trying to tear down someone else's.

[djean111]

101. Oooh - "panicked" "in a sweat' - new ones! Better than "hair on fire" or "heads exploding" - or,

at least, a change.

No, I am laughing. Sorry. And this is GD-P, so all kinds of responses should be expected.

[Number23]

102. "And this is GD-P, so all kinds of responses should be expected."

Including ones that call your panicked, hysterical posts out for exactly what they are.

[djean111]

103. What, exactly, am I panicked about?

I cannot think of even one thing!
Maybe you are projecting?
Have a lovely and peaceful evening! 'bye!

[Number23]

104. Re-read your post in response to mine because I dared to state that I like this new Hillary

The panic drips off every word.

Edit - Here it is in all of its panicky glory:

djean111 (10,725 posts)
92. Yes, maybe I should re-think my objections to things like war and fracking and cluster bombs and

the TPP and such, because she is so very PASSIONATE about those things!

Gee, I had not thought that style was a lot more than content, or that attitude was more important than what actually happened. Why, that was a truly AWESOME story about Bosnian sniper fire! I am just looking at it from the wrong direction!

The pity vote! poor Hillary! People keep bringing up deeds and words! Damn them!

Not gonna fly too far.

As fearful and panicked filled as it is incoherent and completely irrelevant to any post I've made in this thread.

[aikoaiko]

95. Sorry Hillary. Not good enough.

[baldguy]

97. The very idea that she's corrupt, dishonest & emotionally cold

goes right back to the Arkansas Project from 30 yrs ago.

Do you know how you can tell if someones a real liberal? They don't fall for conservative RW propaganda.

[Fumesucker]

110. They don't hate the idea of taxes?

[Z_California]

105. HRC proves his point today with this doozy:

"I've been for, you know, for a long time, that I'd be happy to have more debates, and I hope we can get this done."

She's been for more debates for a long time. Why does she think anyone will believe that? I'm sure that it can't be technically proven to be "a lie" but can we at least agree that it's intellectually dishonest? It's one thing after another with her and her campaign surrogates. She insults our intelligence, looks at us right in the eyes, and lies her ass off.

To the student who asked the question about the perception of her among young people to be "dishonest", thank you for asking the question. Sorry she didn't answer the question with words that night, but she is answering with her actions today (answer being "young people are right on this and the dishonesty shall continue".)

[Bill USA]

106. the only people who doubt her character believe the GOP Propaganda. No Democrat believes that shit.

THE GOP McCarthyist campaign against CLinton is being joined by BS supporters. I have never known any Democrats to gobble up Republican McCarthyism and propaganda. I still don't believe any would.

Good Post BTW.