At some point in the game you just have to go by your gut

[BigBearJohn]

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and IGNORE all the hyperbole.

Bernie just feels right. End of story

[DanTex]

1. My gut tells me Clinton. BTW, what's wrong with hyperbolas?

[BigBearJohn]

3. may rhe best candidate win

[Renew Deal]

7. At least it was posted in the conic section of DU

[JonLeibowitz]

10. HA!

[aidbo]

20. Come now, don't make an asymptote of yourself.

[Hortensis]

2. Nothing wrong with reviewing a fact or two

also, though, right? Since there is such anxiety in general over healthcare, here are a few of the details from just Hillary's "Plan for Lowering Prescription Drug Costs."

* Allow Medicare to negotiate drug and biologic prices.
* Allow Americans to import drugs from abroad.
* Demand a stop to excessive profiteering and marketing by denying tax breaks for direct-to-consumer advertising.
* Demand that drug companies invest in R&D in exchange for taxpayer support..
* Encourage competition to get more generics on the market.
* Create a Federal backstop for when there are excessively high-priced drugs that face no competition.
* Cap what insurers can charge consumers in out-of-pocket costs ... Clinton’s plan will require health insurance plans to place a monthly limit of $250 on covered out-of-pocket prescription drug costs...
* Fully fund the FDA’s Office of Generic Drugs to clear out their multi-year generic drug approval backlog, which has kept competitors off the market, ...

A lot more details are spelled out at: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/21/hillary-clinton-plan-for-lowering-prescription-drug-costs/

[jeff47]

12. Each of those bullet points requires an act of Congress.

Please explain how she gets the same people that scheduled more than 60 votes to repeal the ACA to pass any of those.

[Hortensis]

13. I guess much the way Bernie would do it, right?

IF he were so unambitious as to "settle" for an agenda that already has the support of a majority of the electorate, of course.

Like THIS plan that people already know they WANT. That support is what will make further advances possible.

[jeff47]

14. When you want to argue someone is bad for being unrealistic

you can't turn around and be just as unrealistic. At least, if you want your claims to be remotely believable.

So how does Clinton get any of these bullet points passed by the same people who voted to repeal the ACA more than 60 times?

Like THIS plan that people already know they WANT.

The majority wants single-payer. Even around 40% of Republicans want it. Or do scientific polls not count now?

That support is what will make further advances possible.

You mean, exactly what Sanders plans to do? So odd to claim this is impossible to do when it's his plan, but the clouds will part, the angels will sing and Republicans will vote for Clinton's proposals.

[Hortensis]

16. Is your argument that all Obama's achievements

never happened? He faced a Congress that had determined on a scorched-earth policy. We may well retake the Senate this election and at least a good number of house seats.

Hillary is a healthcare reform pro and she has a long list of advancements on the ACA that she intends to implement, not just the ones above. No pie in the sky promises Bernie-style, but real achievable goals Obama-style.

[jeff47]

19. Nope. But that was a lovely strawman you just destroyed.

He faced a Congress that had determined on a scorched-earth policy.

Psssst.....2009 and 2010 still exist. Who had majorities in Congress those two years?

Hillary is a healthcare reform pro

Based on....failing at it in the 1990s?

she has a long list of advancements on the ACA that she intends to implement, not just the ones above. No pie in the sky promises Bernie-style

Every single one of those enhancements require Congress.

The basis for calling Sanders's plan "pie in the sky" is that it can't pass Congress.

How does Clinton get any of those advancements through Congress? She can't. Republicans hate her, hate the ACA, and would rather people suffer and die than strengthen the ACA.

Which means her plan is just as "pie in the sky" as Sanders.

[liberal N proud]

4. My gut says Clinton

So does the evidence, but that is another discussion.

[BigBearJohn]

6. like I said... go with your gut.

I like Hillary ... But I looooove BERNIE!!!

[Renew Deal]

5. Your post is rhombus!

[BigBearJohn]

8. cute ..2/3rds of a pun: P U

But didn't he lose the last election

[tecelote]

9. Agreed.

For once, Americans are not buying what the media is selling. We're about to take a hard left turn as a nation and, although we all know it will take time, left is the right direction to go before we destroy our world.

It's that important. Status quo will just take us where we're heading. Disaster.

We need a revolution to save the world for our children.

It took until 1800 to hit one billion people. 150 years later, we were at 3 billion. Today we are at around 6 and by the time our children are in their fifties, there will be 9 or 10 billion. We need to get our priorities straight now.

If we don't start working harder for Peace, Healthcare, Education and Human Rights, the terrorists win because all we have now is Trump and Terrorists on the news. That's a sure sign of a society in decline.

Bernie is our best hope and the only moral and ethical option.

Every American should be voting for Bernie. It's in their own self-interest. That's why this "surge" of Bernie's is not going to flat line. The more people hear him talk, the more he surges.

My gut tells me we are witnessing an historic event. Just in the nick of time.

[Hortensis]

15. My gut also says we are part of historic events.

I just prefer to build on and move forward from what we have or once had and know works. I am not interested in experimenting with the wellbeing of a nation.

That is what a lot of Reaganomics was - conservative experimentation, wanting to believe it would work because their ideology insisted it would. In the end they decided that giant sucking sound constituted all the success they needed.

[tecelote]

17. The problem is that we're not going in the right direction.

Let's look at the New Deal and not Reagan.

Hillary will continue with what is creating the problem because she is part of it. Bernie is not be worried about Wall Street, Monsanto and Exxon in the same way. They can still profit but not at our expense.

We need to move left and fast. Our planet is not worried at all about profits or us.

It's dire that we get a grip and start acting morally responsible.

[Hortensis]

18. New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society,

and so on. We learned so much from those years. The New Deal would literally not be doable in this environment, but then we're not starting from scratch as they had to either. Nothing "new" about restoring guaranteed vacation leave, for instance. Just a return to that and many other things we once had and want back, plus finally moving forward once again on many fronts to achieve what we should have long ago.

Notably, we are no longer among the leaders in socioeconomic progress. We now have the benefit of the experiences of what worked and didn't in other nations.

[Doctor_J]

11. My gut and a looooooong list of issues are making me support Sanders