2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, if the Democratic candidates participate in this new debate
that is happening right before the NH primary, will there be repercussions?
DWS has stated repeatedly, that if candidates appear in debates that are unsanctioned by the DNC, that those candidates will be barred from appearing in future debates.
DWS has repeatedly stated that the Democrats will have six debates. She's been very firm.
"We're going to have six debates. Period." --Debbie Wasserman Schultz
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/democratic-primary-debates-six-debbie-wasserman-schultz-2016-213489
So, what will she do? Will she flip flop on her month's long insistence that six debates is enough. She gave plenty of reasons for keeping it at six, which she laid out in multiple interviews.
Or, will she not sanction this debate?
Kind of a pickle.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)They keep trying to outsmart the hero. But Bernie has them outclassed and that is why it keeps backfiring.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I don't see how there could be any repercussions. I can't think of anything she could do because it's ALL THREE Candidates! I think she believed Sanders would opt for unauthorized debates & she'd be able to eliminate him from the stage. Looks like another of her "brilliant" ideas bombed.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
It's funny how the people supposedly agreeing to DNC rules now want to all of a sudden betray their word.
If HRC, MOM and SBS want sanctioned debates, what's the DNC's problem?
Actually, since the DNC is rules as an authoritarian organization, this all comes down to DWS.
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napi21
(45,806 posts)one or more! Let DWS cry in her own beer.
MAYBE, if we're lucky, she won't win her OWN reelection. I know if I were in her district, I wouldn't vote for her.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)At least that's what they all said. And why wouldn't they? It's free exposure of their ideas.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
Again, it's funny how there is a sudden demand to request SANCTIONED debates by HRC.
She was a silent voice up until, today!
She kept quiet after months of complaints about a rigged DNC debate structure.
Gee, what changed her mind? Hmmm.
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napi21
(45,806 posts)debate. I suspect she knows it wouldn't look good for her if she ignored that point.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)The world will immediately know that the party is actively working for the benefit of the establishment candidate, in opposition to voter sentiments, but that's the bed they made for themselves. Hoisted by their own petard.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)That's always been the case.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Because, Wasserman-Shultz' language describing the exclusivity clause does not make that clear.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)I'm talking about practicality. She will not cancel the remaining debates.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)stated today that the DNC will NOT sanction a debate prior to the New Hampshire primary.
"We have no plans to sanction any further debates before the upcoming First in the Nation caucuses and primary, but will reconvene with our campaigns after those two contests to review our schedule," Wasserman Schultz said in a statement, referring to early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire. "Our three major candidates are already scheduled to appear on the same stage next week for the New Hampshire Democratic Party dinner on February 5th."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511076533
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)She has said in more than one interview, that if Democrats participate in unsanctioned debates, that they will be banned from further debates.
If I were Sanders, I would say that I would love to join the debate in NH, but only if it is sanctioned by the DNC--so he (and the other candidates) can participate in the remaining debates.
Sanders needs public assurances on this.
He knows what they're doing. I'm sure he's "got this."
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It would give the Clinton campaign the power to force future debates on short notice at times when it helps them the most, since Clinton is the front-runner and also the favorite of the news corporations.
So it would leave Sanders in a vulnerable position in regards to future debate scheduling.
Which is of course the goal.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)I don't think so.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)an ad hoc debate schedule on a rolling basis.
They could call future debates any time it would help Clinton or hurt Sanders.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)Candidates wouldn't be obligated to agree.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If Clinton and Malley both show up for a last-minute debate somewhere down the road, and Sanders podium is empty, that would damage him politically. There would be glaring headlines everywhere and intense media pressure to participate in Clinton-dictated debates. As we see happening right now.
If all three candidates agree then the DNC should have no problem revising the agreement.
There should be some agreement and not a totally ad hoc schedule. The ad hoc scheduling would be a huge advantage to Clinton.
I think they should add another South Carolina debate.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)So what will DWS do when Bernie is the only one honoring her edict?
Rock-hard place......
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The Hillary campaign and DNC are clearly coordinating.
This latest move to force an extra NH debate is trying to change the rules in the middle of the game, because they don't like where things are headed.
They want to be able to add new debates and appearances and any time when they feel it is most convenient, coordinating together for to schedule debates whenever it would help Clinton and hurt Sanders.
Debate schedule should be agreed to by all the candidates and the schedule should be known by everyone in advance. It shouldn't be scheduled on a rolling basis as it moves along whenever it helps Clinton.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)dws clung to that schedule when it benefitted clinton. now that she is tanking, they are stuck with it.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's another desperate dirty trick.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Then that needs to be made clear in writing. There should be a new agreement drawn up.
Yes, it is clear what they are doing.
At this point, they look like desperate game players whose hubris boxed them into a situation that is counter to what they want now.
They really are idiots.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And I agree with you completely.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/brian-fallon-sanders-holdout-unsanctioned-debate
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and if O'Malley is the man I think he is, he will do the same.
The DNC set up this limited-debate schedule to favor Clinton.
They made their shortsighted bed, now they can lie in it.
They're acting like keystone politicians at this point. They look really, really dumb and unprofessional.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)is that Debbie Downer has been exposed for the pathetic hack that she has always been.