Hypocrite Sanders Won't Go To Debate In NH But Calls For More Debates Elsewheres:

[KittyWampus]

Note- if all 3 candidates did the debate in NH, what's the DNC going to do? Sanction all 3? LOL



Bernie Sanders Ducks Unsanctioned Debate, Clinton and O'Malley Are Game

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-unsanctioned-debate-new-hampshire-420225


………………………………………..

Sanders calls for a series of more debates in states such as "Illinois, Ohio, California, New York"

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-27/ahead-of-white-house-meeting-sanders-says-obama-is-not-taking-sides

[morningfog]

1. Clinton is not "game." Her position is the same as Bernie's with respect to this proposed debate.

She would only participate if it were sanctioned by DWS. DWS made clear it will not be sanctioned.

Bernie has the same position on that. Bernie called for more debates to be sanctioned. Hillary has not.

Nice try.

[ViseGrip]

6. ^^^THIS^^^ Very important truth here, and the media is spinning this already

but eventually this is all going to be worked out. Whatever happens, Bernie will come out on top, again.


GO BERNIE!

[artislife]

9. Thankfully, there is social media! nt

[Motown_Johnny]

16. Calling for sanctioned debates in states where Hillary is leading was brilliant.

Now Hillary and the DNC are stuck in a lose - lose situation.

[asuhornets]

49. NO..

It was hypocritical on Bernie's part.

[frylock]

83. How so?

Please do explain.

[Ferd Berfel]

36. and truth that Clinton people at DU are spinning (and ignoring) also

[Agnosticsherbet]

32. Today she called for the DNC to sanction the debate. Sanders, refusing to show.

So his calls for other debates has the same lack of 100% truth.

[morningfog]

45. Sanders is refusing to show if not sanctioned, just like Hillary.

[frylock]

84. Link?

[floriduck]

65. Actually, it was anything but

A nice try. That's what I call dredging for anything while sucking up nothing.

[TCJ70]

2. Calls for more SANCTIONED debates...

...per DWS own rules. The unsanctioned one is specifically against DWS own rules and he agreed not to appear in unsanctioned debates.

[NCTraveler]

3. Sanders has been doing just what he has to.

He is simply throwing red meat to his base. It's why there is no message conformity in his campaign over the last two weeks. Smart move going into Iowa. He is building enthusiasm. Seriously, he is catering to a group who like to fight over who said phrases first. Sanders knows this better than anyone.

This is simply to rile them up.

[HERVEPA]

79. Wow. The bullshit just keeps getting piled higher and higher.

He is catering to a group who believe in what he espouses. Is that so damn hard to comprehend?

[PoliticAverse]

4. Clinton has indicated she won't participate in unsactioned debates and DWS isn't sanctioning

the new NH one.

[morningfog]

5. Exactly. So many drop their reading comprehension in their zeal to get their Bernie hate on.

[artislife]

7. Sanctioned.

Because most of us don't trust Debbie to be honorable if they do the unsanctioned debate. Heck, most of us don't trust little h, either.

[lob1]

54. Trust Debbie is an oxymoron like Military Intelligence.

[Segami]

8. UNREC.....

[sadoldgirl]

10. If you keep your agreement with the DNC

you become a hypocrite???

He is asking for SANCTIONED debates.

And NO, HRC is asking the DNC to change
the Feb.4th one into a sanctioned one, she
will not attend,if the DNC refuses.

BIG FAIL!

[Thenewire]

11. Sanders and his supporters

Rely on right wing talking points and misdirection. They see themselves as the ultimate defenders of righteousness while labeling anyone that doesn't think Sanders is some sort of holy figure as a corrupt individual. This is the biggest problem with Sanders and his supporters, they believe that he has a chance solely on being honest while denying anything that points to the contrary. He has been actively employing political triangulation by bashing the establishment he wants to represent in order to get right wingers and independent support during the primary.

[morningfog]

14. Which right wing talking points does Sanders rely upon? Do tell.

[Thenewire]

21. Ideas like

Auditing the fed, labeling progressive organizations as part of the establishment you are taking on, railing against the ACA and repeating right wing garbage related to clinton.

[TCJ70]

25. I'm legitimately curious about auditing the Fed...

...and why it's a bad idea. I don't know enough about it to have a solid opinion.

As for the establishment issue, that's only been done to organizations who's boards chose who to endorse without asking members/employees but I know people don't generally see the problem with that. He has also not railed against the ACA but called for going further with it, which is what was sold to us. It was a stepping stone, right?

[libdem4life]

22. They can't...it's just a closed loop tape...round and round it goes. I stopped even asking.

[Kip Humphrey]

23. which "establishment" does Bern want to represent? Oh yeah, the 99% "establishment". Welcome to DU.

[redstateblues]

40. You nailed it. They are the purity police

[artislife]

56. The biggest problem with h supporters is their candidate. nt

[jeff47]

59. Yeah, it's not like Clinton supporters would post an OP where they lie

and their own sources cited in the OP demonstrate that they are lying.

Oh wait.....

[Kelvin Mace]

12. No, he said he will not attend an unsanctioned debate since

the DNC has made it clear they will punish anyone who does one. Sure, HRC and O'Malley have said they would go, but until the DNC allows it, he is not going to be caught flouting the rules. O'Malley has nothing really to lose, since he can't win, and HRC could have the debate sanctioned with a single phone call, but doesn't. So, all she has to do is say she will be there, then not show up, and when Bernie shows up, BAM, he has broken the rules.

[asuhornets]

75. But in the Newsweek article it stated:

"Clinton and O'Malley, meanwhile, seemed eager at the prospect of another debate. "Hillary Clinton would be happy to participate in a debate in New Hampshire if the other candidates agree, which would allow the DNC to sanction the debate,” a Clinton campaign spokesman told the Union Lead"

all Bernie has to do is agree to the unsanctioned debate then it would be sanctioned. Get it?

[Kelvin Mace]

80. Um, no.

DWS has said she WILL NOT sanction ANY debates before the NH primary.

"We have no plans to sanction any further debates before the upcoming First in the Nation caucuses and primary, but will reconvene with our campaigns after those two contests to review our schedule," DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement.

She runs the DNC and she decides what is, or is not, sanctioned. The decision about sanctioning a debate is NOT made by the candidates, but by HRC's bestie, DWS.

These people are lawyers, and when dealing with lawyers, parsing the language is critical, otherwise you get into arguments about what the meaning of "is" is.

[Matariki]

111. You don't get to make up your own facts

http://www.kcci.com/project-economy/dnc-stands-firm-against-msnbc-union-leader-debate/37667524

DNC stands firm against MSNBC, Union Leader 'debate'

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNNMoney) —The Democratic National Committee is standing in firm opposition to plans by MSNBC and The New Hampshire Union Leader to hold an unsanctioned debate next week.

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz issued a statement Tuesday saying that it had "no plans to sanction any further debates" before the upcoming Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary.

DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda tells CNNMoney that the MSNBC and Union Leader effort, which runs afoul of DNC guidelines, would be unfair to the media partners who have played by the rules.

"We respect the effort, commitment, and resources our media partners at PBS News Hour and at Univision/Washington Post have dedicated to our upcoming Democratic debates on February 11 and March 9 respectively," Miranda said on Wednesday.

"As our Chair made clear in her statement last night we will not be sanctioning any further debates before the First in the Nation caucuses and primary, but will reconvene with our campaigns after those two contests to review our schedule."

more at link

[asuhornets]

112. Bernie chickened out. Period n/t

[Matariki]

113. Doubling down on ignorance doesn't make it real

Neither does typing 'Period'.

[asuhornets]

114. Likewise..n/t

[Matariki]

119. Your post is untrue. I posted a link with the DNC's actual position and that's your response?

When you are proven wrong, the correct response is to either apologize or to edit your post.

Keeping your lie up and being snarky about it is dishonorable.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. Won't go to UNSANCTIONED debate, calls for SANCTIONED debates....

Your OP is dishonest.

[closeupready]

27. "Your OP is dishonest" - and...?

Standard Operating Procedure there, from what I've seen.

Call him a hypocrite, get corrected, refuse to self-delete ... standard operating procedure, my friend.

[Motown_Johnny]

30. Just pointing out the obvious I guess...

What else can ya do?

[closeupready]

41. Oh I know - this crap will only get worse, sadly.

(I guess I was just pointing this out for anyone reading the thread.)

[frylock]

93. You're being generous. It's a fucking lie.

[Punkingal]

15. He is just beating DWS at her own shitty game. Deal with it.

[Go Vols]

29. Yep

As a general rule debates are bad for front runners. No front runner ever wants more debates. The Clinton campaign is the 900 lb. gorilla in the Democratic race. If they wanted more debates, the DNC would have scheduled more debates.

It was great of Maddow to ask the question that has been on the minds of most Democrats. The debate schedule has clearly been designed to minimize viewership. Hillary Clinton’s answer was a dodge that passed the buck to the DNC.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/19/rachel-maddow-asks-hillary-clinton-buried-democratic-debates-tv-siberia.html

[NurseJackie]

17. You certainly make a valid observation. It is curious to watch how this is unfolding.

Even more bizarre is how Bernie's fans are trying to put the most positive "spin" on what he's saying now, compared to what he (and they) have previously said.

Honestly... you know, sometimes I have difficulty making heads-or-tails of it all.



Note to Jury: The four little emoticons that appear above are intended to represent ME and to represent MY reactions to the behavior, words, comments made by others. It's not intended to insult any candidate or any candidate's fans. They're just silly little icons that nobody should be getting upset about. Thank you.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

28. what spin exactly?

Bernie has agreed to not attend unsanctioned debates but will attend this one if the party sanctions it
DWS has stated the debate will not be sanctioned
As such Bernie is upholding the parties own bleeding rules and being attacked for it


Why should he risk getting locked out of future sanctioned debates due to a potential slight of hand?

[jeff47]

60. It's terrible for Clinton and Sanders to have the same position on this debate?

In the OP's own articles, Clinton says she will only attend the debate if it is sanctioned by the DNC. That is the same position as Sanders, yet you're only upset with Sanders.

[AgingAmerican]

18. Bullshit, Hillary campaign said they would participate IF THE DNC SANCTIONED IT

So your OP is crap.

[MissDeeds]

52. Yep

[Broward]

19. Nice try, nt.

[Kalidurga]

20. LOL

[farleftlib]

24. Garbage in, garbage out

I predicted there would be a half dozen more of these moronic posts today but we're already up to five. The energizer bunnies of idiocy are hard at work.

[Autumn]

26. Bernie Sanders abiding by their rules as a guest in their house.

Love the whining about this.

[asuhornets]

34. Sanders only want sanctioned debates in Hillary's backward...

But noooo not in New Hampshire where he is leading. Sanction, unsanctioned Bernie is being hypocritical.

[frylock]

94. So then SANCTION the fucking debate..

Surely, you've called the DNC and made that request, right?

[asuhornets]

109. Tell your fucking candidate to call..you know who he is...n/t

[frylock]

117. Comedy fucking gold.

[asuhornets]

120. LOL Thank you

[Autumn]

121. Kind of hypocritical that when we wanted more debates six was enough. Plenty.

So let me assure you, DWS and HRH wanted six debates so six is what we fucking get. Would you like some cheese?

[CharlotteVale]

31. How can you not know the difference between sanctioned and unsanctioned debates?

It's downright bizarre how that simple point constantly eludes the Hillary crowd.

[Fumesucker]

33. Remember when Snowwald was on Evo Morales Presidential jet?

[frylock]

95. Just like Wilford Brimley in 'Cocoon', this never gets old, and it's never going to die.

[Puglover]

108. Best post evah.

[asuhornets]

35. He is being very hypocritical.. n/t

[TCJ70]

39. This is literally...

...the exact opposite of hypocritical. These are rules DWS set up and he's following them.

[asuhornets]

42. But Sanders want debates in..

Illinois, New York, and California all Hillary's territory. But in New Hampshire, all of sudden he wants to follow the rules.

[TCJ70]

46. I would put money down...

...that if DWS sanctioned the debate in NH (which she already said she isn't going to do), he would attend. Considering that that very statement is in the article about Sanders ducking the debate I feel even more confident that if DWS came out tomorrow and said, "Congrats, it's sanctioned." He would be there. From Jeff Weaver:

The DNC "said this will be an unsanctioned debate, so we would not want to jeopardize our ability to participate in future debates," Weaver told the Times. If the party decides to sanction the debate, Sanders's stance could change, Weaver added.

Here's the fact: the currently UNSANCTIONED being called for (By who, by the way? I don't even know) is in NH. So he has no choice in this instance but to not attend in NH. This isn't hard to figure out.

[asuhornets]

48. U r right "This isn't hard to figure out"

It is very easy as a matter of fact. Bernie is ducking Hillary in New Hampshire. But Illinois, New York, and California-all Hillary's territory-Bernie will go...the hypocrisy.

[TCJ70]

57. Following the rules you agree to...

...would be hypocritical in backwards Hillary-land. By the way, Clinton has also said she would only attend the debate if it were sanctioned by the DNC. Is she also ducking anything?

[asuhornets]

61. But if all three candidates agree...

then the DNC will sanctioned them. Bernie is the hold out. He's leading in NH he does not want to mess that up.

[TCJ70]

68. Straight from the horses mouth...

...DNC Throws Cold Water On Unsanctioned New Hampshire Debate. There isn't anything stopping the DNC from sanctioning anything. They've, however, already discounted this one.

[jeff47]

63. For fuck's sake, he wants SANCTIONED debates in IL, NY and CA.

In other words, STILL FOLLOWING THE FUCKING RULES.

[asuhornets]

70. I don't think the F-bomb was necessary.

Sanctioned, unsanctioned..The fact of the matter is Bernie does not want to risk his lead in NH....but he wants Hillary to risk her leads in Illinois, New York, and California.

[jeff47]

72. Considering you're still lying, apparently it wasn't enough.

Sanders explicitly said he would attend this debate if the DNC sanctioned it. In the OP's own links.

[asuhornets]

73. It is not about sanctioned or unsanctioned

Bernie's hypocrisy is the issue here. I can take your petty insults -does not bother me- I have thick skin unlike yourself. Good day to you.

[jeff47]

74. Yes, it is entirely about sanctioned or unsanctioned

since he said he'd attend if it was sanctioned.

Maybe that needs some "f bombs" for you to notice.

Fucking Sanders fucking said that he would fucking attend the fucking debate in fucking New Hampshire if the fucking DNC would fucking sanction the fucking debate.

[asuhornets]

76. But in the Newsweek article it stated:

Clinton and O'Malley, meanwhile, seemed eager at the prospect of another debate. "Hillary Clinton would be happy to participate in a debate in New Hampshire if the other candidates agree, which would allow the DNC to sanction the debate,” a Clinton campaign spokesman told the Union Lead.

Tell your candidate to agree to an unsanctioned debate then and only then the debate will be sanctioned. Your candidate is being hypocritical.

[frylock]

99. Fuck that shit. Sanders isn't going to take advice from a "Clinton campaign spokesman"

Call the DNC and DEMAND that they sanction the debate. You've done that, haven't you? Yes?!

[elana i am]

105. yep

was this some kind of lame ass blatant attempt at rope-a-dope? get sanders to agree to an unsanctioned debate and then go "whoops nevermind. you broke the rules you're out."

fuck. that. shit.

[frylock]

106. They all believe that we're that stupid, elana.

They've been insulting our intelligence from jump. Hillary's flame out is going to make the Hindenburg look like a birthday candle.

[asuhornets]

115. Sanders should

take his own advice and agree to more debates.

[frylock]

118. 6 debates is enough..

remember that? Those were some good times for Clinton Supporter.

[jeff47]

122. He has.

The only requirement is that the DNC sanction the debate. The DNC has not. Yet you claim the problem is Sanders, not the DNC.

[frylock]

96. It's called Political Judo.

This your first dance?

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Now Bernie's a hypocrite for following the rules DWS and HRH set. Just because HRH is losing

doesn't mean Bernie should break HRH's and DWS's rules.

Bernie's HONEST AND ETHICAL...he plays by the rules.

Besides that, why should he help HRH? When she thought herself inevitable, she was peachy keen with the debate schedule.

SORRY! Rules are rules!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[glinda]

38. This "trap crap" has got to end. DWS made it clear a long time ago that unsanctioned debates would

eliminate the candidates attending.
This game is not going to end well. Our Country is in a a lot of trouble and allowing anything that can be used by Conservatives is beyond stupid.

[bunnies]

43. Shes not going to win NH. Debate or no debate. Deal with it. nt

[cali]

44. Lol. Poor kitty.

Cute snit, Kit.

[Warren Stupidity]

47. Horse shit. Fresh. Wet. Deep.

Aren't you in the least bit ashamed by what you post here?

Wtf are you going to do if he wins?

[cascadiance]

50. You might be right. If all candidates all participate, they might ALL be sanctioned...

... and DWS would have an "effective way" to cancel the remaining debates to enhance their goal of minimizing debates that Hillary has to deal with.

Now is it official that Hillary Clinton said she would participate, when earlier she said she wouldn't participate in unsanctioned debates? Maybe you should rethink who you are calling a hypocrite if this is the case. Bernie has never said he'd participate in unsanctioned debates and therefore isn't being a hypocrite by the same measure.

[jeff47]

66. In the OP's own links, Clinton says she will only attend this debate

if it is sanctioned by the DNC.

[cascadiance]

69. Then Bernie shouldn't have to answer this question until DWS sanctions them, n'cest pas?

Because until DWS does, then NEITHER Bernie NOR Clinton has agreed to participate in this debate yet, and if Bernie were to indicate he would participate in them now before Clinton has agreed to participate in it (or even if she does agree) opens him up to manipulation in terms of either being excluded from future debates, or having all future debates being canceled.

He's not a hypocrite but being a smart candidate, and those like the OP can WHINE all they want the way their campaign leaders want them to, but that kind of BULLSHIT won't fly with voters, and the remaining debates will still happen with Sanders being a part of them, even if those debates aren't really enough of what Americans want. If debates a bit more in the future can be agreed upon amongst candidates and the DNC later, and added to the schedule, more power to all involved.

[liberal N proud]

51. What is he afraid of?

[cascadiance]

53. Perhaps he's afraid of a TRICK by DWS and Hillary to cancel the remaining debates...

... if all of them are sanctioned by the rules laid down by DWS and the DNC and basically provide DWS the excuse to cancel the remaining debates the way she and Hillary Clinton's campaign would want to have the future be!

[liberal N proud]

78. If they are all there?

[ieoeja]

92. Exactly, "if" they are all there. Remember her promises regarding Florida and Michigan in 2008?

All three promised. Only two kept their promises. She did not. Her promises were a trick to get the others out of the way.

Of course, if she doesn't show, Sanders and O'Malley could just walk out without debating.

With attendees present and the TVs getting ready to roll? That would go over well.


On edit: Your response to cascadiance did not follow. If all three did show up, DWS could sanction all three of them by banning them from future DNC debates which would mean no future DNC debates. Your response actually supports cascadiance's theory making your LOL rather out of place.

[frylock]

100. Being locked out of sanctioned DNC debates as outlined in the rules put forth by DWS?

It's a mystery to everyone!

[jeff47]

55. You know, it helps when your own sources do not contradict your lie.

Both Clinton and Sanders have the same position on this new debate: They will only go if the DNC sanctions the debate.

In addition to sanctioning this debate, Sanders wants the DNC to sanction more debates.

Do you read your own articles before you post?

[restorefreedom]

58. bernie's marines said it best......

Bernie's Marines
Bernie's Marines – ?@SocialistMarine

Gonna be lots of "townhalls" and unscheduled forums popping as the establishment craps themselves over #Bernie's momentum.
#WeEndorseBernie

[aidbo]

62. Disingenuous Hillary supporter on DU.

Calls Bernie Sanders a hypocrite for doing what he said he would do: Not participate in a debate not sanctioned by the DNC.

Clinton should join Sanders and O'Malley in calling for more DNC sanctioned debates.

[ChiciB1]

64. Thing Is Very Suspect, And Tell Me WHY All Of A Sudden

THEY are calling for debates. Something suspicious going on. Right BEFORE they vote??? Guess it's more of the same behind the scenes action by the ones who began this in the beginning.

[whatchamacallit]

67. This is total crap

[aikoaiko]

71. Actually, the article shows he is not a hypocrite -- he wants more sanctioned debates.

Are you sure you understand the meaning of hypocrite? It appears Sanders is being thoughtful and consistent about his position.

[elias49]

77. Drop flaming turd. Run away.

Meh.

[morningfog]

85. It blew up in their face because they hadn't thought it through all the way.

[frylock]

101. Much like their favored candidate.

[whatchamacallit]

81. Lol, nothing like the hypocrisy of supporters doing a 180 on debates now that Hillary is in trouble

Not a principled bone in their bodies.

[R B Garr]

82. OMG, he works overtime playing victim.

Now "the People" don't matter. All that matters is how he can maintain his put upon status to feed his outrage junkies.

But, wait, ...I thought he was only for The People!

[whatchamacallit]

86. Lol, where was your concern for democracy

when Hillary supporters were shouting "stfu 6 debates are plenty!"? It's like a your only core belief is winning.

[R B Garr]

87. Bernie is the phony so concerned for

THE PEOPLE. Go ask him why he won't show up for them. LOL, what a hypocrite.

[whatchamacallit]

89. Silly bullshit

Because he won't take the bait to break the rules so Hillary can throw a Hail Mary, he's a hypocrite who doesn't care about the people? You folks bring new dimensions to hypocrisy.

[R B Garr]

97. Silly bullshit is right. All the gimmicks he deploys to

maintain his victim status are truly laughable. I only said THE PEOPLE because that is supposedly his claim to being a different kind of politician. He alone will represent THE PEOPLE as nobody has done before--The Revolution!. His only concern is THE PEOPLE!

Apparently not. He's just a politician with a huge ego.

[whatchamacallit]

98. You are babbling nonsense

Do you have any links to Bernie calling himself a victim or even insinuating he's a victim? I honestly don't know where you get this stuff?

[R B Garr]

107. You are babbling nonsense, too. LMAO that you ask

for links to Bernie calling himself a victim You aren't for real.

His whole campaign is supposedly for THE PEOPLE. So just debate, then. He's obviously playing political games to get his perpetually outraged base in a tizzy over this, too since hes all about the anger. Just like you're doing. Keep insulting people, though. You all are known for that.

[neverforget]

116. !

That was a great thread.....

[ieoeja]

90. Maybe because he remembers Hillary's dirty tricks in 2008?

All three promise to withdraw from Michigan. The other two do. Then she doesn't.

All three promise to not compaign in Florida. They other two don't. She does.

Now she promises to show up at an unsanctioned debate. Suppose the other two do, and she doesn't? DWS then sanctions Bernie and O'Malley. The current proposed sanction "not allowed at future debates" would not do any good since that would have Hillary debating herself. So she would have to think of something else like kicking them off the DNC servers.

Sound far fetched? So did Michigan and Florida in 2008.

[frylock]

91. HOMEWORK: Look up the definitions of the words 'unsanctioned' and 'hypocrite'.

[guillaumeb]

102. Silly kitty. Reread the article and know that your post makes no sense.

The article actually does not support the title. But it does sound good I suppose.

[arcane1]

104. Kitty's role here isn't to make sense, it's to be contrary by any means necessary.

And it's being done rather poorly and transparently. No bonus!

[hrmjustin]

103. K&R!

[mhatrw]

110. Why the bizarre "disagreement" between Clinton and her toady, DWS?

Here is why.