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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:25 AM Jan 2016

Marist Poll contains some cautionary signs for Bernie

As has been talked about ad nauseum, Bernie is going to be very reliant on voters who are not, well, reliable. Namely the youth and voters who have never bothered to caucus before. The Marist poll that just came out shows the race is essentially unchanged from their last poll also showed Clinton at +3.

However, there are two numbers buried in the demographics that show how Iowa could possibly end poorly for Sanders:

First, is how voters describe themselves as "strongly supporting" a candidate. You wouldn't think it, but Clinton holds the edge here at 51% strong support to 46% for Bernie. That might not seem like a big difference, but it does indicate that turnout of uncommon voters may not be as robust as needed. Even just a few percentage points in shift of voters showing up could be enough to move the needle.

In conjunction with that, is the following breakdown, which has been very similar across all pollsters:

Among past caucus goers, Clinton leads 52% - 40%
Among never caucused, Sanders leads 56% - 41%

Between the strong support gap and the huge disparity in voting likelihood between reliable and unreliable voters, Bernie is highly, highly dependent on turnout from groups that don't historically, well, turnout.

And before anyone questions the strong support numbers, keep in mind Clinton supporters have now had three weeks of being told there is a real fight on our hands. Nothing galvanizes support like being put at risk. Polls should be showing Clinton supporters are digging in and are ready to go.

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cali

(114,904 posts)
2. Yes, I think it could go badly for him- or for Clinton.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jan 2016

Honestly, I have no idea how Iowa will pan out.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
5. It is a crap shoot, with one overwhelming variable. Turnout.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jan 2016

Who comes out and who doesn't is going to be the deciding factor, I think. And honestly, I don't mind it if Sanders gets the turnout. I like the idea of an energized base that expands beyond historical norms. That is nothing but good news for next November if it happens.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. This confirms my thinking, as well. I'm pretty sure Hillary Clinton will win Iowa this Monday.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

Older voters are more reliable voters. That's historically true, especially in the colder States as opposed to the warmer (and even in those warmer States, Millennials tend to not be bothered by voting).

And I don't believe anyone should bet on her losing New Hampshire, either.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
7. And right there is the risk of depending on traditional non-voters
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jan 2016

Inclement weather will always favor the person who has more older supporters than younger.

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